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Perhaps maybe a Order member did snitch on Glenn Miller. Does that still justify Miller testifying against Scutari,Butler Beam and Miles??? All men who had nothing to do with Miller getting busted and three of them were all legal and above ground.
Chris Quimby
WRMC
Your point is noted. I understand. But there is a major nugget in the matter of "who told on who, and when?" Major nugget there. Not minor.
Allow me to ask: did any of those folks serve any time in prison due to what Miller said? Remember, Miller served, what, 3 years? Did those fellows serve 3 years as well? It's an honest question.
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Posted : 15/12/2004 7:38 pm
Chain I must say, you have always come across as one of the very few reasonable and positive characters in the WN movement. Stay strong man!
Posted : 15/12/2004 7:40 pm
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The leadership had so little in the way of balls, that it conducted secret squirrel meetings to oust me.
There was no secret squirrel meeting to oust you. It was done immediately after you began promoting child molestation on our website.
It's not as if I had advocated armed overthrow.
No, you advocated child molestation. And according to your previous post you are still advocating it. The really sad part is that you don't even realize what a sick freak you are.
Ben Vinyard
Posted : 15/12/2004 7:41 pm
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I said that after the Order rolled over on GM and guaranteed him life behind bars, he had the choice to make a deal that would harm no one, or to go to jail forever. He made the right and honorable choice,
So the conversation went something like, “Hey, Miller, we want you to testify against these people, but we aren’t really trying to win the case and put them behind bars forever. No sir, no one will ever be convicted by your testimony whatsoever. We know that in advance.” JB, did you know the word “gullible” is not in the New Webster’s dictionary? If you don’t believe me then look it up.
I want to see one of you say straight out "I would choose life imprisonment even if making a deal would harm no one and would allow me to devote the rest of my life to my people, to activism, etc."
I will state straight out for you that I would not testify against fellow White racialists who never ratted on me or testified against me. Miller did. And you have already stated you would, because “anyone with any sense would.” That it was “the right and honorable choice.” Believing the part about knowing in advance that the defendants would be found innocent makes you absolutely delusional.
Now go ahead, call me a traitor
"Anyone with any sense would [testify against men who had never ratted on him or testified against him.]"--JB112
"He made the right and honorable decision [about testifying against men who had never ratted on him or testified against him.]"--JB112
Here’s a tip for you, JB: when you write articles for VNN you should consider using a different name. Because the first thing everybody’s going to think of when they see yours is, “Man, that guy would snitch on me.”
But, you’ve done so well so far, please don’t let me interrupt you trying to convince the crowd how much sense it makes to snitch…
Ben Vinyard
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:09 pm
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There was no secret squirrel meeting to oust you. It was done immediately after you began promoting child molestation on our website.
No, you advocated child molestation. And according to your previous post you are still advocating it. The really sad part is that you don't even realize what a sick freak you are.
Ben Vinyard
That's incorrect also. I have always advocated a normal marital relationship and have never implied any other type. If you get any more politically correct, you might wish to consider joining the democrats or republicans, so you can be a good lemming. I advocated nothing more than was advocated in Mein Kampf.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:12 pm
Blah blah blah
Aww, you were thinking about me. You are so sweet.
Another woman hater. *yawn*
Whats wrong? Women dont like you JB? Feel as if we threaten you some how?
Woman make post - she lemming - this mans world.
lol
I notice you have nothing to say about Millers abomination child. How do you feel about that JB? You keep preaching the same mantra - "you would do the same if you were in his shoes"
Well, maybe you are correct. Actually, I have not heard many people on this thread except a few state they would give up all in order to not inform. (oh no!! I used the "I" word!!) But, one should not put themselves in that position to begin with. "Thanks for the 250G niggah"
Nah, you, like Norcal are so much fun to watch. But at least NorCal has the sense to stand up for what is right. Strange, but right. A tad bit insane, but right.
JB, what have you done for our cause?
*crickets chirping*
Yeah, he is a woman-hater, why he "has no interest in them"(his own quote, not mine). Funny how everyone from you, to Pixi, to Flynn, and Cracker have called our resident homo out on it recently. Gay-dars are operational across the board I guess.
Anti-female sentiment* is common amongst the dysgenic homosexual population here. You should have been here for Legolas88, that guy was really crazy. Anyway, get used to the queers here, they don't like it when an icky girl intrudes on the manliness.
* Not to be confused with anti-feminist feelings, which are good and normal.
We need to live our lives. One foot in racism, the other in reality and normalcy. They go together when you drop the things and people we don't need.
Currently 87% Sun, 13% Lightning.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:13 pm
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There was no secret squirrel meeting to oust you. It was done immediately after you began promoting child molestation on our website.
Ben Vinyard
Good lemming. Make your jews proud. Toe that politically correct line.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:14 pm
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There was no secret squirrel meeting to oust you. It was done immediately after you began promoting child molestation on our website.
Ben Vinyard
The fact that those involved hadn't even bothered to read the material before denouncing it. I guess your jew told you to do it. You in fact did the very same thing that you accused the NA of doing. When you said that I promoted child molestation, I must say that you are in fact a liar! You are a liar! A liar!
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:18 pm
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That's incorrect also. I have always advocated a normal marital relationship and have never implied any other type. If you get any more politically correct, you might wish to consider joining the democrats or republicans, so you can be a good lemming. I advocated nothing more than was advocated in Mein Kampf.
Here, go back and read the article. http://www.angrygerman.com/?pg=oldupdates Not advocating child molestion does not make me politically correct, a lemming, a Democrat or a Repubican. However, advocating it makes you sick.
"White men have been having sex and knocking-up 13-year-olds since the dawn of time. These kind of fake laws, such as statutory rape, are only used as a means to keep Whites from engaging in natural reproductive behavior."--Robert Crockett
"Even if the man had achieved penile penetration with the young girl, sex with a 13-year-old girl is not a true crime."--Robert Crockett
Ben Vinyard
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:19 pm
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Here, go back and read the article. http://www.angrygerman.com/?pg=oldupdates Not advocating child molestion does not make me politically correct, a lemming, a Democrat or a Repubican. However, advocating it makes you sick.
"White men have been having sex and knocking-up 13-year-olds since the dawn of time. These kind of fake laws, such as statutory rape, are only used as a means to keep Whites from engaging in natural reproductive behavior."--Robert Crockett
"Even if the man had achieved penile penetration with the young girl, sex with a 13-year-old girl is not a true crime."--Robert Crockett
Ben Vinyard
Within the context of healthy marriage. I have never said anywhere that I advocated indescriminite sex - for any age. Period. To make a leap that I somehow made that connection makes you a liar.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:21 pm
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Here, go back and read the article. http://www.angrygerman.com/?pg=oldupdates Not advocating child molestion does not make me politically correct, a lemming, a Democrat or a Repubican. However, advocating it makes you sick.
"White men have been having sex and knocking-up 13-year-olds since the dawn of time. These kind of fake laws, such as statutory rape, are only used as a means to keep Whites from engaging in natural reproductive behavior."--Robert Crockett
"Even if the man had achieved penile penetration with the young girl, sex with a 13-year-old girl is not a true crime."--Robert Crockett
Ben Vinyard
Of course, supposing you jumped to that conclusion, a healthy racial organization would have at least had the balls to allow for further clarification instead of the squirrel committee. Either way, as a squirrell member, you don't show a whole lot of integrity.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:24 pm
You forgot all about the blue boots. Has anyone ever seen Glen Miller in blue boots? I think this is relevant and I want an answer.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:29 pm
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I am still curious as to any proof someone might have that the Order rolled over on Glen Miller. I mean why would they rat on Glen Miller and not Dr. Pierce? What did they have to gain from rolling on him when nearly all the loyal Order members are still sitting in jail to this very day and will do so till the day they die. I think what it amounts to is Glen Miller can tell a good story and blame it on a bunch of guys sitting behind bars who have a bit of trouble defending themselves here in the internet world. WHy would the goverment need Millers testimony if it was common knowledge and did'nt hurt anybody, that does'nt make sense??? Actually you are wrong on Miller putting his word up against anyones and as soon as we can locate Louis Beam I will bet my bottom dollar Louis Beam will set this record straight as far as the sedition trial goes.
Since when does it matter whether he testified falesely or not??? I don't care if he was telling the truth and it got people put away that still makes him a rat trying to save his own ass because he was stupid enough to take $200,000 in stolen money. Another question I would like to ask is this,what makes you think Glenn Miller would have spent life in prison for accepting stolen money??? Scutari made the allegation that Miller was picked up in his home with his two liutenants, who he also testified against, with fully automatic weapons. Perhaps maybe Miller testified to save his ass against those gun charges and that was his screw up not the Orders.
[Quite clearly, if it is shown Miller tried to get a bunch of innocent whites locked up who never harmed him -- genuinely tried to get them locked up by testifying falsely -- we'd all have to reconsider our position. But you haven't shown that, and won't take Miller on man-to-man. So you slander, call his honor into question while denying the right to reply. That's dishonorable. I know Glenn's record, I know his history, I know his side of the story. I've never seen him lie or anyone show that he lied.]
I would like to say I would do the right and honorable thing and keep my mouth shut but then again no one really knows what they will do in a situation like that. I know one thing for sure though I would'nt testify against everyone and there mom in the movement and then come crawling back 20 years later making up bullshit excuses for my treason. Then try wroming my way back into the movement even though the majority of the movement does'nt want me back.
No we are acting on the moral ground that you don't testify against fellow whites and trying to set a precedent so that all rats know once you go rat you can never come back. I think it is pathetic that you defend a man who fathered a nonwhite child and testified in court to save his skin.
It has already been done. He has had months to answer the allegations and it looks like the majority of the people have made their decision. Those guys that are supposedly immensly above our stature can then go sit on the we support federal rats side of the fence while the rest of us finish building this fence so that way there is a clear difference between us and you. You guys are on the lets welcome all rats side of the fence and we are on the side that sets out the rat traps to keep the fuckers away. Next thing you know you will be trying to convince us TJ Leyden is a good guy and we should welcome him back with open arms.
[Bring Miller on, face him squarely, and let's get to the bottom of this, so we can all make our decisions on where GM belongs. There are a lot of unanswered questions. The issue is not cut and dried. Will Williams, Alex Linder and others say GM has nothing to apologize for. These guys are immensely above your stature, and we know their motives and character are pure. So are mine. When you pretend the issue is clear cut, you lie, and you slander these men and myself and the rest of us as 'traitors.' That doesn't reflect good upon you. And when you seize another man's website, a man greatly your superior, a man who takes our task seriously and doesn't just cater to movement hobbyists and rabble, who has got a real, extroverted active project going with lots of support, and ban the one guy who knows the facts about this case before spouting all this 'traitor' BS, you show yourself to be both insincere and unconfident in your position.]
There is a old saying that has probably been said on here a thousand time, When you lay down with dogs you get fleas.
[You guys - norcal, draco, others - talk about miller's pushy 'with us or against us' attitude, which is just good-natured, if flawed, encouragement, but in truth it's the freaks screaming 'traitor!' at anyone who disagrees with them or thinks the issue is perhaps a bit more nuanced than they let on, who imply that we all need to be hanged, they're the ones with that attitude.]
Yeah and Linder never banned Norcal or dean Roberts or probably a whole slew of other people I don't know about. You are right about one thing though Linder never hid behind words he basically ignored the issuse all together.
[You guys talk about censorship and banning and such, yet it's your side doing the banning and the deleting and the censorship and the destruction of other's property and the hiding behind 'words.']
Are you kidding me Miller tells you a great story and you beleive him. You took his words at face value because they sounded good to you. You use the scape goat that all of us would testify under the same circumstances. You know what if I testified under those circumstances I would expect people to look down on me and shun me for it.
I don't think that is the case but you can beleive whatever you wish here in the internet world.
[9 out of 10 of you, admit it, are just uncomfortable with Miller because he was promoting real world activism. This doesn't apply to WR, but it does apply to Georgie, AK, Ottoremer, norcal, draco and others. The 'informant' pretext is just a convenient excuse, one of many.]
The facts have been layed out for what two or three months now. I'll tell you what why don't we just clear all this up completely and you go and get a copy of the court documents. I am sure this would clear up just about and conceived question and convince every last person where we need to stand on Miller.
[To sum up, the only way to get all the facts out is an open discussion, which we had until 4 days ago. That open discussion - which was revealing the facts - was ended, and the record of it erased, by the WR gang. Why?]
Now go ahead, call me a traitor.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:35 pm
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There was no secret squirrel meeting to oust you. It was done immediately after you began promoting child molestation on our website. Ben Vinyard
As a matter of fact, you squirrels didn't give Alex Linder a whole lot room to explain himself either. That's the way squirrel committees are: snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. I was within a week of a major victory when you and your fellow politically correct types thrust the dagger in my back. With comrades like, who needs traitors! Thanks for the lump of shit! And we know how successful the squirrels have been, don't we? WR is just so successful, that their members spend all their time on the VNN forum.
Of course, WR just never ever planned to one day just suddenly pull the plug on VNN, did they? I mean, they didn't just offer to build VNN's forum from the begginning free and clear, did they? I personally think that the squirrels were jealous of Alex and were just looking for an excuse to pull the plug. And since the squirrels couldn't find anything better, they opted for somebody who committed treason against a bunch of losers. Never mind that the other 99.99% of what Alex did was kicking jewish ass day in and day out. Never mind that Alex has been kicking more jewish ass than everybody else put together. No, the traitor was a traitor in an episode in history that nobody even remembers and that each and every party has to consult the history books just to form their own opinion about it.
And my integrity gets called into question just because I asked the question of why this traitor was so important. It's not as if Alex had nominated him for some kind of medal of honor. As I understand it, he was simply helping Alex get the good work of the race done - pure and simple.
I wish the powers that be can one day come to hate the enemy more than me. I did not start out accusing WR of anything. Instead, the insults and accusations flew at me. Perhaps this is why the WR website is so stagnant. Folks would rather racists hurl insults at the enemy than behave in the jew-proper fashion and be politically correct.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:39 pm
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You forgot all about the blue boots. Has anyone ever seen Glen Miller in blue boots? I think this is relevant and I want an answer.
Okay, I wore blue boots, they looked like hell, and I'm not going to be invited to the fashion ball. The laughter alone caused me to get rid of them.
Posted : 15/12/2004 8:41 pm