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The Serbians from the Serbian region of Crna Gora (so called Montenegro) outfought the Ottoman Empire.



   
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Rulers of Montenegro - Dynasty Petrović Njegoš

Imagine Rulers of one state called Crna Gora (Montenegro) with established dynasty Petrović Njegoš is somehow Serbia, in heads of some liars at this forum??? @Dominus laying about everything and trolls. Serbs and Montenegrins belong to the same volk - South Slavs but during Ottoman occupation Montenegrin Tribes shaped quality part of the South Slavs.  


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The Vojislavljevics are the first Montenegrin dynasty that ruled Duklja from the end of the 10th to the end of the 12th century. It was named after Prince Vojislav, although the first ruler from this family, about whom a little more is known, was Prince Vladimir, supposedly the son of Archon Peter, Vojislav's uncle or uncle's brother. Vojislav definitely freed himself from Byzantine domination and expanded the territory of Duklja to Travunia and the area of ​​Durres. Vojislav's son Mihailo is the first ruler of Dukla who is reliably known to have had the title of king confirmed by Pope Gregory VII. The successor of King Mihail, King Bodin expanded the state. He conquered Raška and Bosnia and caused Rome to raise the diocese of Bar to the rank of archbishopric. Bodin established ties with the Normans from southern Italy... He came into direct contact with the leaders of the crusade in 1099. At the end of the 12th century, Duklja reached its territorial peak. It covered the territory from the Vojuša River to the Neretva and from the Adriatic Sea to the northern borders of Raška and Bosnia. After the death of King Bodin, the power of Duklja begins to weaken. The last kings from the Vojislavljević dynasty were ephemeral. Vladimir, Dobroslav, Đorđe, Grubiša, Gradhina, Prince Radoslav failed to save the country from Byzantine and Ras influence. In the end, the Byzantine influence prevailed in Duklja, and around 1185 the Raš prefect Stefan Nemanja conquered it.

Rulers of Montenegro - Dioclea - Slavic Royal Dynasty VOJISLAVLJEVIĆ OF DUKLJA 
Archon PETAR, Archon of Duklje, 9th century TUGEMIR, 10th century (according to Pop Dukljanin) HVALIMIR, 10th century, son of Tugemir PETRISLAV, son of Tugemir DRAGOMIR, grandson of Tugemirov, 10th century MIROSLAV, grandson of Tugemirov, 10th century VLADIMIR, (Vladimir Dukljanski),

997 – 1016, son of Petrislav STEFAN VOJISLAV, founder of the Vojislavljevic dynasty (1018 – 1043) Wife of Stefan Vojislav with sons, of whom MIHAILO (1043 – 1046)
MIHAILO VOJISLAVLJEVIĆ (1046 – 1082) stands out.

After Dukljanin, he was succeeded by his brother Radoslav, not Bodin's son BODIN VOJISAVLJEVIĆ (1081 – 1101) MIHAILO, Bodin's son DOBROSLAV, KING, Bodin's half-brother KOČOPAR, 1101 – 1102, Bodin's brother VLADIMIR, 1102 – 1114, Bodin's nephew JAKVINT, Bodin's wife, poisons Vladimir and brings his son Đorđije ĐORĐIJE (1114 – 1118), Bodin's son GRUBEŠA (1118 – 1125) ĐORĐIJE, again (1125 – 1131), Bodin's son GRADIHNA (1131 – 1141) RADOSLAV (1141 - ?), son of Gradihna MIHAILO, the latter ruler of Duklja


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@vizionar777 Petar II Petrović-Njegoš identified himself as Serbian in his writings and poems alike. His epic poem "The Mountain Wreath" (Gorski vijenac) is widely regarded as a Serbian national epic, reflecting Serbian history, mythology, and national identity. The poem incorporates themes such as the Battle of Kosovo, which is a central symbol in Serbian cultural and historical consciousness. Njegoš's works served as inspiration for Serbian nationalism and are considered foundational in Serbian literary tradition. Although he was the ruler of Crna Gora (Montenegro), the ethnonyms "Serbian" and "Montenegrin" were often used interchangeably and often even together as Serbian-Montenegrin (Srbin Crnogorac) because "Serbian" was a reference to the ethnic background while "Montenegrin" as a regional reference, and he is recognized as a Serbian poet in a broader South Slavic cultural context. His writings aimed to advocate for Serbian liberation and identity through poetic and mythological expression.

 

The House of Vojisavljević was a Serbian medieval dynasty named after its founder, Stefan Vojislav. Stefan Vojislav, originally a Byzantine governor, led a successful revolt in the mid-11th century to establish independence over the polities of Duklja (in present-day Montenegro), Travunia, Zahumlje, inner Serbia, and Bosnia from Byzantine control. He was referred to as "Prince of the Serbs," and Byzantine sources recognized him as a Serb.
His successors, including kings Mihailo I Vojislavljević and Constantine Bodin, expanded and consolidated the state, ruling over various Serbian lands. The dynasty ruled from around 1018 until the late 12th century when it was overtaken by the cadet branch, the Vukanović dynasty, which later evolved into the Nemanjić dynasty, a prominent ruling family in Serbian history.
Thus, the House of Vojisavljević was a key Serbian medieval ruling dynasty that controlled several Serbian regions and was foundational in the medieval Serbian state formation.



   
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Have you read Gorski Vijenac? How many times does Petar ll Petrović Njegoš mention the word Srbin-Crnogorac...? ONCE. I have Gorski Vijenac in my mind. (Ne znam riječ napamjet, mrzi me da prevodim). Yes, Njegoš declared him self as a Serb 1st from royal House Petrović-Njegoš. Before him no Petrović-Njegoš consider their dynasty as Serbian. What I want to say all the time is that Republic of Serbia was under Turks, while Montenegrins were NOT! So, that's the essential difference. You know almost 500 years...I see Albanians-Turks want equalize with Montenegrin ancestry via DNA some channels.

Црногорска фраза на питање, јеси ли Србин? Црногорац: Не! ''Но сам Турчин''! Постоје и Црногорска-Брдска племена иза Проклетија (Племена Кучи, Братоножићи и Васојевићи), у Албанији која су се потурчила и остала мухамеданци.

Носе углавном илирски ген. Зато ћу оставит ову тему, овдје да се ш' њима мало позабавим...колико је до мене. 


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@vizionar777 Republics are unimportant. What is important is ethnicity and there is no such ethnicity as "Montenegrin" which would somehow differ from Serbian ethnicity.....



   
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Montenegrin Specificity: Montenegro has a distinct historical trajectory as a state. It maintained a degree of autonomy or independence during periods when Serbia was under Ottoman control, notably as a theocratic state under the Petrović-Njegoš dynasty. This fostered a sense of distinct Montenegrin identity, even if closely tied to Serbian culture.

1. Ethnicity vs. National Identity

  • Ethnicity refers to a shared cultural heritage, including language, religion, traditions, and historical narratives, often tied to a sense of common ancestry.
  • National identity is tied to citizenship and political affiliation with a state, such as Montenegro or Serbia, and may not always align perfectly with ethnicity.

The claim asserts that Montenegrin ethnicity is not distinct from Serbian ethnicity, prioritizing ethnic unity over the political distinctions of the republics of Montenegro and Serbia. Let’s explore the differences and overlaps between Montenegrins and Serbians in this context.

2. Historical and Cultural Context

  • Shared Heritage: Montenegrins and Serbians share significant cultural and historical ties. Both groups predominantly speak the same language (Serbo-Croatian, often referred to as Serbian in Serbia and Montenegrin in Montenegro), practice Orthodox Christianity (under the Serbian Orthodox Church for most, though a separate Montenegrin Orthodox Church exists), and share historical narratives rooted in the medieval Serbian state and resistance to Ottoman rule.
  • Montenegrin Specificity: Montenegro has a distinct historical trajectory as a state. It maintained a degree of autonomy or independence during periods when Serbia was under Ottoman control, notably as a theocratic state under the Petrović-Njegoš dynasty. This fostered a sense of distinct Montenegrin identity, even if closely tied to Serbian culture.
  • Yugoslavia and Beyond: During the Yugoslav period, Montenegrins were recognized as a distinct constituent people within the federation, alongside Serbs, Croats, and others. After the dissolution of Yugoslavia, Montenegro’s push for independence (achieved in 2006) reinforced a separate national identity, though debates about ethnicity persisted.

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