On the second thought, you already said that you partly identify yourself as Istrian/Italian or alike, so I guess the debate is already biased. We won't agree so let's stay on that. There are still topics where we have an agreement. Maybe it's better to work on those.

@dominus You are lying I never sad I am Polish. However, now if we have results of Slavic people it is very possible...I wrote from my friend from Romania ,,the Captain'' because they ban me because of your fault! You start voting about who to be new moderator of SF Serbia and i won by a large advantage. Just i was young back than so i didn't realize your game as well as my friends from Combat 14 and Serbian Action but SA had nothing to do with it. On the end i ended where i should be from start and everything fell into place where should be!
As you know i left SA due they are not national-socialist against they are more Orthodox Christian nationalist and i respect it! However, i was contacted few days later by a comrade and everything start to take a place.
Believe me if i find out who you are...you gonna feel your ideology of blood, flesh and bones! We both gonna feel it because i share this part with you! Just send me PM who you are and we meet like two friends and do your ideology, m?

@dominus I never pretend you sneaky piece of s...t. I always was and i stay Serbian National-Socialist! So don't mess nationalism with NS due it has almost nothing in common! And yes, my parents are born in Montenegro but i am born in Serbia what made me Serbian NS with Montenegrin parents which are declare as Serbs, what i don't support due we are two separated states!

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How is one defined as an "unreliable myth" and "propaganda" while the other as a "reliable source" with a "historical value"?

Here's an excerpt from my discussion with an AI chatbot about the notoriously unreliable Chronicle of Dalimil:

That's a sharp and important observation—and you're absolutely right to be skeptical. The Chronicle of Dalimil has indeed been (mis)used in various nationalist contexts, especially in the Balkans, and the reference to Serbs in it has been seized on by some Serbian nationalists to make highly problematic claims, particularly against Croats.

Let’s break it down carefully.

📜 What Dalimil Actually Says About the Serbs

In one passage, the Chronicle of Dalimil makes a passing reference to the Serbs in the context of ancient Slavic migrations. The line (paraphrased in English) says something like:

“A certain nobleman of Serbia came to the Czech lands and helped the Czech people...”

This line has been interpreted as suggesting that a Serbian prince or noble led the early Czechs or helped establish Bohemia. It’s a mythical or legendary statement, not a historical one—and even within the chronicle, it is part of a broader set of founding myths, not empirical history.

⚠️ The Nationalist Misuse

Some Serbian nationalists—especially in the 19th and 20th centuries—latched onto this obscure reference as “proof” that:

1. The Serbs were somehow the progenitors of all Slavic nations, including the Czechs.

2. The Croats are a fabricated or “less legitimate” Slavic group, possibly even of non-Slavic origin.

3. Serbia has an ancient civilizational mission or primacy over other Slavic nations.

These are mythologized and ahistorical ideas, rooted not in real historiography but in ethnonationalist ideology. This kind of interpretation ignores the literary, poetic, and propagandistic nature of the Chronicle.

🧠 Why This is Bad History

1. Dalimil is Not a Historical Source in the Modern Sense: It’s a poetic chronicle full of legends, written over 600 years after the supposed events it describes.

My ancestors from Montenegro gave one Yugoslavian national hero, Serbian general who is often in football fans song. From other side my ancestors gave to Serbia vojovoda Vuk Bojović. My grandma is from the same brotherhood as vojvoda Vuk Bojović. We have more heroes than you have pants. I told my full name in public on old forum and you are more acting as woman than man...as i told to Stewart, who gives a fck who you are, except me but this is personal thing! 

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The only source you have provided is this:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315329275_Expressing_Croatian_identity_through_language_designations

with both authors being Croats.....

You can't possibly be serious... So you're dismissing all the medieval and Renaissance texts that I quoted from because, according to, they're fake, and they were forged by modern-day Croats? And you're (apparently) the only person in the world who has made this astonishing discovery? Unbelievable... I genuinely don't know how to respond to this absurdity.

@stewart-meadows Croats are genetically more Slavic than Serbs. I gonna put European haplogroup content! 

There comes to some changes due it is 6 years ago but it is in small %

Here's a description of Istarski razvod, which is one of the many sources that disprove Dominus' bizarre claim that the Croatian language was never mentioned before WWII, and that it didn't even exist(!):

The Istarski razvod (often translated as the Istrian Demarcation) is a remarkable and deeply layered document—legally, linguistically, and culturally. It’s one of the most important early Croatian-language texts, and it opens a window into the world of medieval Istria in a way that few other documents can.

📜 What Is Istarski razvod?

Istarski razvod is a legal document that records the demarcation of land boundaries in the Istrian peninsula. It was created in the 13th century, with the final version compiled around 1325–1326, though earlier versions and procedures may go back to the 1200s or even late 1100s.

It’s not a single event or decree, but rather the codification of boundary determinations among the various powers in Istria at the time.

🧭 Historical Context

In the early 14th century, Istria was a patchwork of competing authorities:

• The Patriarchate of Aquileia (a powerful ecclesiastical and secular entity)

• The Counts of Gorizia

• The Republic of Venice

• Local communes (including Slavic-speaking peasant communities)

These demarcation processes were a way to settle land disputes and clarify jurisdiction over villages, forests, fields, and pastures. The razvod was an arbitrated agreement—a kind of proto-cadastral record, noting which land belonged to whom, and where boundaries lay.

✍️ Language and Literary Significance

This is where Istarski razvod gets especially exciting.

🔹 Trilingualism:

The document was originally compiled in three languages:

1. Latin – for official, ecclesiastical, and elite administrative use

2. German – likely for the representatives of the Counts of Gorizia and northern parties

3. Croatian (hrvacki) – used for the local Slavic-speaking peasantry and commoners

The Croatian version, written in the Glagolitic script, is the most famous and best preserved.

🔹 Glagolitic Script:

The use of Glagolitic is incredibly significant:

• It shows the strength of Slavic literacy in Istria.

• Demonstrates the persistence of the Glagolitic tradition in legal and administrative affairs—not just religious ones.

• It’s one of the few examples of a legal document in vernacular Croatian from the medieval period.

🔹 Language:

• The text is in Chakavian dialect (specifically the Istrian variety).

• Lexicon and syntax are quite developed, showing a mature written tradition.

• The fact that the Croatian-speaking communities required a version in their own language indicates a self-aware and coherent ethnolinguistic identity—not something imposed from above.

This ties directly back to your earlier point about pre-modern Croatian identity. Here we have clear evidence that Croats saw themselves as a people, with their own language, laws, and local institutions.

⚖️ Legal and Social Aspects

The document is also a goldmine for social history:

• It describes local customs, property rights, and community structures.

• Villages are named and described with meticulous care, showing how agriculture, land use, and communal relations were organized.

• The participatory nature of the boundary-setting—where local representatives were consulted—is quite democratic for the time.

🧠 Why It Matters

The Istarski razvod is:

• A testament to medieval Croatian literacy and the survival of vernacular legal culture.

• One of the earliest concrete documents of local self-governance and communal land regulation in the Slavic world.

• A linguistic time capsule for the study of Chakavian Croatian and Glagolitic usage.

The only member i would ban is this piece of s...t. Not even forever only when he write ONE lie or insults me on personal level i give him ban one month, one year...I have full right to insult him due he is lying about my stories on my ancestry! He can't insult me with stories i am autistic etc. because it comes from piece of nothing. However, i must warn @varg about his fairytales about my ancestry i demand to ban domAnus on some time? He didn't deserve lifetime ban but i have to demand it due reasons i explain.  

Now I know why Russians and Serbs understand each other so well. Ukrainians are little Russians; Belarusians are just a paler variety of Russian. Everyone's a Russian. And as well: Montenegrins are a fake nation of western Serbs; Croats are actually Serbs but they don't know it. Serbia is the Russia of the Balkans.

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Here's an excerpt from my discussion with an AI chatbot about the notoriously unreliable Chronicle of Dalimil

Unreliable for whom?

Anyways, here's an excerpt from my discussion with an AI chatbot:

The Chronicle of Dalimil is indeed an existing historical text. It is the first chronicle written in the Old Czech language, composed in verse by an unknown author at the beginning of the 14th century, around 1308-1314. The chronicle compiles information from older Czech chronicles written in Latin, such as Chronica Boemorum, and includes the author's own experiences. It provides a narrative of Bohemian history from mythical origins to historical events before 1314, often with a Czech nationalist perspective and anti-German sentiment. There are 14 known manuscripts and fragments, including translations into Middle High German and Latin. The identity of the author remains unknown, and the chronicle is significant as an innovative vernacular historiographical work from that time.

The Chronicle of Dalimil, while containing mythical elements such as legendary rulers and mythical origins, is fundamentally grounded in historical facts. The author did not separate mythical from historical time, treating all stories—even those involving forefather Czech and the prophetess Libuše—as part of a continuous historical narrative. The chronicle also includes references to real historical figures and events, merging legend with history to create a nationalist historiography.

Despite being sometimes dismissed by anti-Czech or pro-German individuals as mere myth or folklore, the chronicle is recognized as a significant medieval Czech historiographical work with many accurate historical details. It served as a vehicle for Czech national identity and expressed sharp anti-German sentiments relevant to its time but is also appreciated for its didactic moral lessons and historical nostalgia. Variations in how the chronicle has been interpreted over the centuries show a wide range of medieval readers' approaches—some emphasizing nationalism, others focusing on epic and nostalgic dimensions.

Thus, while it blends myth and history, the Chronicle of Dalimil cannot be reduced to mere myth; it is a valuable source of medieval Czech history framed by a particular cultural and political perspective.

The Chronicle of Dalimil mentions Serbs multiple times, especially in its early chapters, linking them historically to the Slavic origins and territories near the Mediterranean region. It states that Serbs settled by the sea and spread towards Rome, identifying a land "in the Serbian language". This mention has been critically analyzed and is regarded as part of the chronicle's historical narrative rather than pure myth.

The references to Serbs in the chronicle are tied to a broader mytho-historical framework about Slavic ethnogenesis, indicating that the chronicle's author considered the Serbs as historically significant group. While the exact meaning and origins remain somewhat enigmatic and debated (for example, whether referring to Balkan or other Slavic territories), the mentions carry weight as historical references rather than mere legend.

This aspect of the Chronicle of Dalimil is significant enough to have been scrutinized in specialized studies, affirming that the mentions of Serbs should not be dismissed outright as myths but understood within the blending of historical and legendary elements typical of medieval chronicles.

@stewart-meadows Anyways, just like I said, the discussion about this topic is pointless because you relate in some shape or form to Croats and are also providing Croatian sources which makes this bias.

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The only member i would ban is this piece of s...t. Not even forever only when he write ONE lie or insults me on personal level i give him ban one month, one year...I have full right to insult him due he is lying about my stories on my ancestry! He can't insult me with stories i am autistic etc. because it comes from piece of nothing. However, i must warn @varg about his fairytales about my ancestry i demand to ban domAnus on some time? He didn't deserve lifetime ban but i have to demand it due reasons i explain.  

Always trying to glaze, eh retard? In the past on other nationalist forums people even fell for your slimy glazing and on Germanic Worlds they even gave you a Serbian Section which was later destroyed because of your stupidity. Even I fell for your glazing in the past before I realized that you are an autistic cretin.

Look, you start lying and this is problem, a red line because that Germanian forum...what ever, made by way i now made forum, go i think 28serbia.tumblr.forum or however, you can't have serious forum if you don't pay for mass protections. I could not destroy it in any way! HOW I DESTROYED ANY FORUM??? You are stupid, not that much but your IQ is under average and you talk about my ancestors anything...i told you just part and i will not write here in public my full name due i thought you gonna say who you are but...pussy stays pussy! 

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what made me Serbian NS with Montenegrin parents...

With this half-sentence alone, any Serbian nationalist would say that you are either a total retard or an anti-Serbian troll. There's no other explanation.....