Jamie Kelso = Descent white man, I saw this on SF. Enough Said.

If I'm wrong let me know, and why I'm wrong. But I think that Carto needs a good old fashion broken nose... It doesn't change things, but it will make you feel better.

Mr. Kelso, if you read this, I wish you the best and please post on VNN. But now YOU have come face to face with SF bullshit...

Carto has never won any awards for manners . I wonder if Carto could have done anything in WN on his own , without bankrolling from Edison's niece ?

All the best to you , Mr. Kelso .

It's also on Bob Whitaker's blog.

I included text in the post from his blog to show another source outside of Bill White's article but you're one of the few to notice it is on Whitaker's blog as well. I believe this story is true. I wonder who Carto's sources are and why they believe Kelso is an agent.

This was definitely about our race.

Kelso got a number of young people to the AFP Conference and Willis Cartp was very buddy-buddy with him. Then suddenly Kelso walked up to Willis and Willis said to him, in public, “Kelso, why are you a ringer? Five or second people have told me you are an agent. Get out of here.”

Then Willis signalled a gurad and Kelso was ushered out.

Kelso was stunned and crushed. He has only been inthis movement four or five years, and he did not know Willis’s tendency to do things that are, at the very least, rash. He staggered up to the room we were in and honestly felt that if a patriarch had denounced him as a spy, he was ruined.

Like anyone hwo works in this totally thankless movement, Kelso was already taking the straing of doing things for people, working day and night and breaking himself fiancially, and getting kicked in the teeth for it.

He thanked God I was there later on. He owuld have been staggering out inthe rain if I hadn’t.

His thousands of hours of selfles work and he thought he was FINISHED! How can you deny you are a SPY, especially when no evidence at all is produced?!

So I spent hours talking him off the ceiling,a nd that is not easy work when someone has an emotional crisis like this.

Then Kelso was worried about hitting back at someone of Carto’s stature, since he is a comparative newbie. He had difficulty listening to me, and he had to get over his emotional trauma first. That took many hours into the night.

He began to get back on his feet after I pushed him the next morning, but he STILL could not decide whether to hit back directly or not. I explained to him over and over and over that damage control starts RIGHT NOW. As soon as I had talked him around, he went downstairs and started saying, as I told him, that even if he might be a spy, Willis had no right to buddy up to him and then spring this on him in public at Willis’s own conference.

If we had not worked this out, he might have either left or come back swinging irrationally. This is the kind of thing I’ve done for decades, meeting crises and setting up a quick response, but it is NOT easy.

I was in no shape to write what happened here in the blog. There are some critical lessons in it I need to talk to you about. Kelso kept saying I could and then I couldn’t. I said he should have it on Stormfront the next day. But at least he did go down and face the delegates, many of whom had heard he had been denounced. Almost all of them were on his side after he talked to them.

The police incident had nothing to do with any of this, but I wsas exhaursted and I wanted to write something in the blog. I wrote what you are complaining about and Kelso cleared THAT.

I was WEARY. And I am WEARY of a life of playing Secret Squirrel, and THAT I needed to share with you. Even I, who gets vented TO so often, need to vent some, too. And at that pint, I took it that I could say this to my Blog friends.

I am sorry you took it personally.

I was under obligation to the person who came to me for advice. This is in confidence, that’s part of being an advisor. Which also means I carry a lot of pressure and can’t tell people WHY.

I got his permission to tell you about this on the way back down down here, one day yes, one day no, b ut I finally got it. There is much I need to talk about that this incident illustrates, but I just got out of hte car from DC and I am not up to it right now and I am not even going to check my spelling before I hit the sheets.

I may have saved Kelso for our movement. I think that’s a pretty good thing for an old man to do for our race in one weekend, and I am an emotional wreck.

OK?

http://whitakeronline.org/blog/?p=1767

Mr. Kelso, if you read this, I wish you the best and please post on VNN. But now YOU have come face to face with SF bullshit...

Mr. Kelso has posted here before Mark. In fact, this is his fifth post right here.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1192&postcount=1

Not to sound like Rumsfeld but, has The SPOTLIGHT and the AFP taken money for wacky ads without censoring them? YES. Our local rag will not take ads from contractors without proof of their state license and for private party gun sales-- period. Which do you prefer?

Willis Carto is a successful businessman, publisher, and populist political philosopher. I find it incredible that this community, many of whom have trouble thinking straight-- especially with regard to common sense rules of evidence, figuring out how to capture resources, and doing influential, much less socially redeeming work on a regular basis, find so much fault with such a man.

Sure he's irrascible. No doubt he's paranoid; paranoids can have real enemies and many of us sport the scars of previous injuries that cause us to be more careful. And I'm convinced he's wrong on a number of points, unlike thee and me.

However, I've been face-to-face with some of his critics including one who said Mr. Carto tried to steal from him. Well, every encounter that I and a mutual friend had with Mr. Carto's accuser has left each of us with a little less hide and we think nothing hates a skunk like another skunk-- or let's say a saavy businessman. Without resources one can do little except be employed to pay the bills and resenting it. Like it or not, that is the pass to which we've come.

My wife and I have been in Mr. and Mrs. Carto's home as their dinner guests and found them charming and gracious. It was a particularly difficult time for the Carto's, shortly after they were SWAT teamed and prosecuted, which resulted in a judgment that reportedly cost them a bundle including that home and small orchard. I attended a seminar on how to start a newspaper, then wrote a little bit for the late SPOTLIGHT, and finally moved on for personal reasons. But, all in all, based on what I have observed, I think the man has been a positive influence on a lot of people.

He popped off at me once when I tried to give him a copy of Tupper Saussy's book on the Catholic church, even though one of Carto's staff put me on to much of the material years earlier. He's impatient with those who have not learned what he knows; so am I at times. Can we allow him a little humanity? He's a battle scarred war horse. I seem to remember Edgar Steele introducing him at a conference; one of the main themes at that meeting was that we should cease in-fighting.

Patrick Henry, speaking in the Virginia House of Burgesses, quoted Jesus Christ-- that a "house divided against itself shall not stand." If you want to talk about agents-- provocateur or merely disruptive-- I hasten to add that I am very suspicious of rumor mongers that have no direct personal knowledge from whence they speak.

Is there a dispute about his management of the IHR, which was his baby? YES. Does Mr. Strom dispute the authorship of the Introduction to Imperium, maintaining instead that it was authored by the chap whose archives are Strom's baby? OF COURSE. I think it is important not to get so bogged down in gossip, particularly in war time, that one looses site of the objective-- and I think that was Patrick Henry's point.

In my time as an adult, likely twice as long as most readers of these posts, I've known a lot of remarkable, effective people. A lot of them are like my medium-sized dog who has not met the dog that he won't take-on any time, anywhere; he actively hunts coyotes but does not waste his time attacking, much less defending himself from little dogs.

I have a number of enemies who are some of the most selfish people I've ever met; some have accomplished a great deal and some are merely small dogs. Of those I've known personally that have made important contributions, I've learned an important lesson: Don't allow those negative personal experiences or judgments about an individual's personal life, that you know by virtue of your closeness to them, sour you to the good they have done and may continue to do. That is terribly selfish and pointlessly destructive.

Form a positive relationship with someone today, even if for just a few minutes in a grocery store line, to earn the ability to educate, encourage, or otherwise contribute something to them even if with only a few words. Leave that which would not pass muster in any courtroom alone because rules of evidence were formulated to dismiss that about which you-- especially those of you who snipe from the cover of assumed names-- know nothing.

I hope you never chocked on your dinner while with Willis the Weasel at his home. The guy is a crook, thief, plagiarist, cons guilliable older folks out of their welfare checks, yet mugs like you defend this rat !

My wife and I have been in Mr. and Mrs. Carto's home as their dinner guests and found them charming and gracious. It was a particularly difficult time for the Carto's, shortly after they were SWAT teamed and prosecuted, which resulted in a judgment that reportedly cost them a bundle including that home and small orchard

This was while the IHR was trying to get back the $7.5 Million he stole from them.

Is there a dispute about his management of the IHR, which was his baby? YES. Does Mr. Strom dispute the authorship of the Introduction to Imperium, maintaining instead that it was authored by the chap whose archives are Strom's baby? OF COURSE. I think it is important not to get so bogged down in gossip

Gossip or the truth - it is the truth.... $7.5 Million walking off to offshore back accounts.

Leave that which would not pass muster in any courtroom alone because rules of evidence were formulated to dismiss that about which you-- especially those of you who snipe from the cover of assumed names-- know nothing.

This is ALL a matter of record dumbass.

Carto called Dr. Pierce ( like Kelso ) an "agent" ... These words by Dr. Pierce sum up perfectly how we should operate.

If we are to continue building an Alliance strong enough to overcome its enemies, we must not tolerate anyone among us who lies or steals, either in time of peace or in time of war.

Dr. William L. Pierce

I'd put more stock in what David Duke has to say about the "Kelso-Carto" affair, than anybody else.

David speaks truths, while others speak self-interests.

A remarkable insight into the "movement" if ever I saw one. On the one hand we have people praising and making excuses for a super-rich Capitalist whose brand of populism does not fool the racially aware activist. The Natioanl Conservative-Capitalist brand of politics is steeped in compromise, being respectable while the ship burns, it's all about "successful people" (read, bastards who rip us all off), conservatism, "mom and apple pie".

On the other hand we have seasoned activists who have seen and smelled the stench of compromise again and again and who are thinking in terms of Kelso, "another fool bites the dust!"

This is horse shit and it won't save the white race. These nicey nicey conferences that Carto likes to talk to comprise the sort of talk talk gutless conservatism that Rockwell railed against back as the 1960s and these people are still being taken seriously?? Give me a break. They undermine every true revolutionary effort and by revolutionary I don't mean necessarily violent. They should be drive out of the movement and/or simply be ignored.

But we agree, do we not, that we are not trying to conserve, preserve or reserve the "American Way of Life" because many of us unamericans, and non-americans, have pretty strong views on that! The "American Way of Life" is to us Coca Cola, Jewish Religious practice combined with a dose of high fat junk food sweetened with the threat of military violence against its enemies. The American Way of Life has led to this worldwide mess we're in. You can't save America. It must die and be reborn.

The type of Carto politics promoted on Stormfront and the boring book publishers is anathema to revolutionary aryan socialists. It is not where we're at or where we need to be at. Maybe, if Kelso is serious about this and isn't gay (if he is then WTF are people doing working with him?) then he'll realise that saving our people and the 14words don't work on the conference floor.

Carto and his kind are not on our side. We're not conservatives, we're not nationalists, we're not anti-socialist as we wish to see the benefits of society go to all white people regardless of class. Carto is just a big money conservative playing reactionary political games. Big money conservatives have not turned American around. Carto doesn't believe in the white race, apart from to sell his crap to, and clearly falls into Rockwell's thesis that, "conservatives want to save their money, National Socialists want to save their race!"

Supreme White Power!

Isn't Kelso gay?

According to who? Bill White.

According to who? Bill White.

According to everyone who has ever known him, he's man-crazy. I was creeped out by the private E-Mail he sent me (and apparently he sends this to every other new male member who joins that forum) but luckily I forgot my password, so I wouldn't know how to post on Stormfront now even if I wanted to.

Does Kelso look straight to you?

Originally Posted by OttoRemer
Isn't Kelso gay?

According to who? Bill White.

Shhhhhhhh ...... the rumor mongers are at work .

According to everyone who has ever known him, he's man-crazy. I was creeped out by the private E-Mail he sent me (and apparently he sends this to every other new male member who joins that forum) but luckily I forgot my password, so I wouldn't know how to post on Stormfront now even if I wanted to.

Does Kelso look straight to you?

"Everyone that has known him"? Who exactly would that be? Funny I've not heard a peep or read a word about Mr. Kelso's sexuality from people like David Duke or Don Black. Damn, I hate I didn't get one of those emails that you refer to (lol). I must have been that "every other" Stormfront member. I met Jaime Kelso at the Duke conference in 2005 and you could not ask for a more tireless and stretched way too thin person. Give the guy a break.

"Everyone that has known him"? Who exactly would that be? Funny I've not heard a peep or read a word about Mr. Kelso's sexuality from people like David Duke or Don Black. Damn, I hate I didn't get one of those emails that you refer to (lol). I must have been that "every other" Stormfront member. I met Jaime Kelso at the Duke conference in 2005 and you could not ask for a more tireless and stretched way too thin person. Give the guy a break.

I couldn't have said it better SA Mann.

Kelso's a great guy. He runs himself ragged for us and he gets no thanks.

People who publicly question his character need to find a better use for their time.

Kelso's a great guy. He runs himself ragged for us and he gets no thanks.

He's a worker and a trooper . Ask yourself ' who would want to discredit the most industrious WN workers ?'