Habeas Corpus and 4th amedment are history!!!

Todd in FL · 2006-09-29T21:35:25Z

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092800824.html Congress approved landmark changes to the nation's system of interrogating and prosecuting terrorism suspects last night, preparing the ground for possible military trials for key al-Qaeda members under rules that critics say will draw stiff constitutional challenges. The new bill is designed to legalize military commissions and to clarify interrogation techniques that CIA officers may use on terrorism suspects considered "unlawful enemy combatants," who are granted fewer protections than are prisoners of war. Hundreds of such detainees have been held for several years without trial at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, while others were held at secret prisons overseas. The new measure, which the House approved 253 to 168 on Wednesday, rejects Bush's earlier bid to narrow U.S. obligations under the Geneva Conventions in the treatment of such detainees. But it grants the executive branch substantial leeway in deciding how to comply with treaty obligations regulating actions that fall short of "grave breaches" of the conventions. It would bar military commissions from considering testimony obtained through interrogation techniques that involve "cruel, unusual or inhumane treatment or punishment," which the Constitution's Fifth, Eighth and 14th amendments prohibit. The bar would be retroactive only to Dec. 30, 2005 -- when Congress adopted the Detainee Treatment Act -- to protect CIA operatives from possible prosecution over interrogation tactics used before that date. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060927_molly_ivins_habeas_corpus/ The version of the detainee bill now in the Senate not only undoes much of the McCain-Warner-Graham work, but it is actually much worse than the administration’s first proposal. In one change, the original compromise language said a suspect had the right to “examine and respond to” all evidence used against him. The three senators said the clause was necessary to avoid secret trials. The bill has now dropped the word “examine” and left only “respond to.” The bill also expands the definition of an unlawful enemy combatant to cover anyone who has “has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.” Quick, define “purposefully and materially.” One person has already been charged with aiding terrorists because he sold a satellite TV package that includes the Hezbollah network. The bill simply removes a suspect’s right to challenge his detention in court. This is a rule of law that goes back to the Magna Carta in 1215. That pretty much leaves the barn door open. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/opinion/28thu1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin These are some of the bill’s biggest flaws: Enemy Combatants: A dangerously broad definition of “illegal enemy combatant” in the bill could subject legal residents of the United States, as well as foreign citizens living in their own countries, to summary arrest and indefinite detention with no hope of appeal. The president could give the power to apply this label to anyone he wanted. The Geneva Conventions: The bill would repudiate a half-century of international precedent by allowing Mr. Bush to decide on his own what abusive interrogation methods he considered permissible. And his decision could stay secret — there’s no requirement that this list be published. Habeas Corpus: Detainees in U.S. military prisons would lose the basic right to challenge their imprisonment. These cases do not clog the courts, nor coddle terrorists. They simply give wrongly imprisoned people a chance to prove their innocence. Judicial Review: The courts would have no power to review any aspect of this new system, except verdicts by military tribunals. The bill would limit appeals and bar legal actions based on the Geneva Conventions, directly or indirectly. All Mr. Bush would have to do to lock anyone up forever is to declare him an illegal combatant and not have a trial. Coerced Evidence: Coerced evidence would be permissible if a judge considered it reliable — already a contradiction in terms — and relevant. Coercion is defined in a way that exempts anything done before the passage of the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, and anything else Mr. Bush chooses. Secret Evidence: American standards of justice prohibit evidence and testimony that is kept secret from the defendant, whether the accused is a corporate executive or a mass murderer. But the bill as redrafted by Mr. Cheney seems to weaken protections against such evidence. Offenses: The definition of torture is unacceptably narrow, a virtual reprise of the deeply cynical memos the administration produced after 9/11. Rape and sexual assault are defined in a retrograde way that covers only forced or coerced activity, and not other forms of nonconsensual sex. The bill would effectively eliminate the idea of rape as torture. •There is not eno...

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Glad to see you back rightfully Todd.

nothing says lovin' like a jew in the oven

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Posted : 01/10/2006 9:26 pm

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That is a great book! I used to have a poster of the front cover, of a swat thug choking lady justice. Gawd I loved that cover!

John Ross is out here in Missouri and will hold a private machine gun shoot for you!

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Posted : 01/10/2006 9:28 pm

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Posted : 01/10/2006 9:41 pm

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The only people that are fighting against impossible odds are the Arabs. To me, that says volumes about white men today.

Are you trying to get Hitler Goddess/Starr all pumped up on muslim worship again?

Hmmph!

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Posted : 01/10/2006 10:41 pm

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John Ross claims to be half indian but who doesn't these days?

His book is sympathetic with ww2 jews but it's a very small part of the book. The main thesis is to fight the govt with equal force that it uses against the populace.

... Of course I wouldn't advocate that here on VNN cuz we WN are walking on thin ice with the Electric Eye. This is just an informative thread designed to educate people about how to pool resources and vote in your fave WN to be an elected official... LOL!!!!!!! What a joke!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Patriotards!!!! Voting is a fucking SCAM!!!!!!! These days running for office barely gets you AM radio interviews... get it? "AM" radio... LOL!!!!!

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Posted : 01/10/2006 11:32 pm

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Glad to see you back rightfully Todd.

Thank you but don't rejoice! We wouldn't want to offend anyone...

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Posted : 01/10/2006 11:38 pm

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Like I always say....worse is better.

Posted : 02/10/2006 11:46 am

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