http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2006/03/r-for-revelation-of-method.html

Hoffman's current piece is posted on the NV website, so they're obviously fans of the guy's writing (and in fairness, he is erudite and has a pretty good writing style). Can someone show us documented evidence that Pierce received money from Robert Mathews' Order (Brüder Schweigen)? Otherwise, it appears Mr. Hoffman is talking out of his ass.

That's been rumored for years.

That Pierce received money from Matthews is not impossible. Some would say it was not unlikely. Who knows? I dont. Even if he did, what's to establish that he knew it was illgotten gain or not? Neither witness lives to tell the tale.

BUT that Pierce was not charged because he was "working for the feds" is VERY UNLIKELY.

What's likely is that Pierce was not charged because THERE WAS NO CREDIBLE FIRST HAND EVIDENCE THAT IT HAPPENED. And so when the government was making out their various cases, Pierce skated.

I've seen lots of crap written about this by HAC who is totally full of shit and a proven liar.

That Pierce received money from Matthews is not impossible. Some would say it was not unlikely. Who knows? I dont. Even if he did, what's to establish that he knew it was illgotten gain or not? Neither witness lives to tell the tale.

BUT that Pierce was not charged because he was "working for the feds" is VERY UNLIKELY.

What's likely is that Pierce was not charged because THERE WAS NO CREDIBLE FIRST HAND EVIDENCE THAT IT HAPPENED. And so when the government was making out their various cases, Pierce skated.

I've seen lots of crap written about this by HAC who is totally full of shit and a proven liar.

We sure end up chasing our tails in a big hurry if we buy into conspiracies upon conspiracies.
Dr Pierce gave me a lesson in who our true enemy is. Doesn't seem logical that he would do all that work to pull people in, to wake people up, just to hand their names over to the feds. I mean, I had a severe dislike for niggers when I started paying attention to ADV, but I did not know about jews. Dr. Pierce alerted me to them. If he was a part of a big conspiracy, it would be like a undercover cop dressed like a prostitute spending hour upon hour convincing me why paying her for sex is a good idea and then busting me when I finally do. Why would anyone conspire to do that? doesn't pass the Bullshit Detector test!

Dr. Pierce did NOT conspire with the feds.
Dr. Pierce sought to change the system from WITHIN the system, and not in trying to fight against it.
And Dr. Pierce was SUCCESSFUL.
He just could not defy the laws of age to live long enough to continue the movement.

Mathews,Pierce,Nazis

How long do we have to linger in the past?

You don't see the Jews bitching about the Butcher of Beirut.

You don't see the Niggers whining about Micheal Jackson or Myron Berry.

You don't see any of the nonwhite minorities we so closely scrutinize-resurrect,dissect and grind up into sausage for media consumption, the heroes or villains of their culture.

No,apparently only white people are so fucking profit motivated as to cannibalize their own past.

What is with this BNP syndrome where fomerly pro-White people are now attacking their own?

That Pierce received money from Matthews is not impossible. Some would say it was not unlikely. Who knows? I dont. Even if he did, what's to establish that he knew it was illgotten gain or not? Neither witness lives to tell the tale.

BUT that Pierce was not charged because he was "working for the feds" is VERY UNLIKELY.

What's likely is that Pierce was not charged because THERE WAS NO CREDIBLE FIRST HAND EVIDENCE THAT IT HAPPENED. And so when the government was making out their various cases, Pierce skated.

I've seen lots of crap written about this by HAC who is totally full of shit and a proven liar.

Hoffman is a Bible-believing Xian. He once requested that Dr. Pierce remove him from the NA mailing list because of the Alliance's position on the Jew-spawned cult as an ideology that was opposed to that of the Alliance's.

Covington, though not a Xian, has always tried to ally himself with the Xian arm of the greater White resistance movement in order to smear and undermine those of us who don't believe the Jewish tribal god should be the foundation of our cause. Biological racists like Dr. Pierce was are motivated to activism strictly by Blood & Soil, preservation of the White gene pool and of our necessary habitat, or living space, and we don't believe in Jewish spooks or care much to have such gullible, superstitious ilk close to us. If Robert Mathews gave $90,000 to Dr. Pierce, as was claimed in the book _Silent Brotherhood_, it's because he admired what Dr. Pierce did on behalf of our race. The claim was attributed to Zillah Craig, Mathews's Xian girlfriend, by SB authors. She told them that she saw Mathews give Dr. Pierce a paper bag full of money from a distance. Dr. Pierce refused to carry SB in the NVB catalog because it contained unsubstantiated claims about him, ie., that he was given this bag of money. He once told me with a smile that that alleged transfer would have been impossible for Zillah to see because there was a big bush between her window and where he and Bob were standing at the time she specified. So, there you have it.

It has been claimed that Mathews gave even larger sums to Glenn Miller, which he admits is true; to Tom Metzger, which I don't believe he has ever acknowleged one way or another. Others, like ID Pastor Dan Gayman were also given lesser amounts. Who knows? Who cares? People who claim that Dr. Pierce operated a "false flag" operation for JOG talk through their asses and can all be lumped in with Harold Covington as far as I'm concerned. The claim is about as believable as was Pastor Richard Butler's claim that Ben Klassen was a Jew because he attacked his Savior, Jesus X. Covington liked to spread that lie around, too, along with his claim that Klassen was a pedophile. These lying proponents of the Jew-spawned creed represent the kooky, slimey underside of the White resistance and are the ones the Jew and JOG wold be more likely to prefer as representative of WN leadership, if one thinks about it. The highest profiled, current purveyors of such crap these days are Bill White, Von Blevins and supporters of their clownlike NSM.

Hoffman is a Bible-believing Xian. He once requested that Dr. Pierce remove him from the NA mailing list because of the Alliance's position on the Jew-spawned cult as an ideology that was opposed to that of the Alliance's.

Covington, though not a Xian, has always tried to ally himself with the Xian arm of the greater White resistance movement in order to smear and undermine those of us who don't believe the Jewish tribal god should be the foundation of our cause. Biological racists like Dr. Pierce was are motivated to activism strictly by Blood & Soil, preservation of the White gene pool and of our necessary habitat, or living space, and we don't believe in Jewish spooks or care much to have such gullible, superstitious ilk close to us. If Robert Mathews gave $90,000 to Dr. Pierce, as was claimed in the book _Silent Brotherhood_, it's because he admired what Dr. Pierce did on behalf of our race. The claim was attributed to Zillah Craig, Mathews's Xian girlfriend, by SB authors. She told them that she saw Mathews give Dr. Pierce a paper bag full of money from a distance. Dr. Pierce refused to carry SB in the NVB catalog because it contained unsubstantiated claims about him, ie., that he was given this bag of money. He once told me with a smile that that alleged transfer would have been impossible for Zillah to see because there was a big bush between her window and where he and Bob were standing at the time she specified. So, there you have it.

It has been claimed that Mathews gave even larger sums to Glenn Miller, which he admits is true]

THANK YOU....

 

It was all a setup probably by SPLC/ADL to point towards neo-nazis.

Ask Michael Collins Piper.

Supposedly McVeigh used a liberty lobby or spotlight calling card to call the National Alliance a rediculous amount of times.

Too bad the number he "called" was only an answering machine with the same message.

Mathews,Pierce,Nazis

How long do we have to linger in the past?

You don't see the Jews bitching about the Butcher of Beirut.

You don't see the Niggers whining about Micheal Jackson or Myron Berry.

You don't see any of the nonwhite minorities we so closely scrutinize-resurrect,dissect and grind up into sausage for media consumption, the heroes or villains of their culture.

No,apparently only white people are so fucking profit motivated as to cannibalize their own past.

You know, SUNOFSPARTA, it would be nice if we didn't constantly have to counter such false claims like these, but the fact is that those making the claims are for some goddamned lame reason allowed to make them here with impunity. Their intent is obvious: to spread doubt and foment confusion. It is said that a lie left unrefuted will eventually become the truth, Professional political saboturs and world class liars like Harold Covington understand the power of a lie repeated loudy and often. His motto is, "Perception is everything!" So, until we reach the point where we no longer foolishly allow the liars and disruptors free rein to sow discord within our own counsels, to deliberately put us on the defensive against their wild claims -- usually from anonymous claimants, no less -- expect to continue being demoralized by them yourself, and expect for those we try to attract to be demoralized and turned away in disgust the name of "uncensored free speech." Meanwhile, get used to it. That's the way this zoo forum operates.

WW: "So, until we reach the point where we no longer foolishly allow the liars and disruptors free rein to sow discord within our own counsels, to deliberately put us on the defensive against their wild claims..."

These words might as well have been the collective proclamation of Stormfront moderators a couple of years back, when a few brave and established NA members began to leak out the ugly truth behind the rotten corruption running rampant inside the Gliebe-run National Alliance. Stormfront's response: Those brave members were viciously accused of "sowing discord" - just before being burned at the stake like a 16th century Salem witch.

I contend: if we cannot stand up to our own self-scrutiny, then we'll collapse like a house of cards before the onslaught of public scrutiny.

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2006/03/r-for-revelation-of-method.html

Hoffman's current piece is posted on the NV website, so they're obviously fans of the guy's writing (and in fairness, he is erudite and has a pretty good writing style). Can someone show us documented evidence that Pierce received money from Robert Mathews' Order (Brüder Schweigen)? Otherwise, it appears Mr. Hoffman is talking out of his ass.

A guy who uses the pen name, &#8220] http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12109.html [/url]

These words might as well have been the collective proclamation of Stormfront moderators a couple of years back, when a few brave and established NA members began to leak out the ugly truth behind the rotten corruption running rampant inside the Gliebe-run National Alliance. Stormfront's response: Those brave members were viciously accused of "sowing discord" - just before being burned at the stake like a 16th century Salem witch.

I contend: if we cannot stand up to our own self-scrutiny, then we'll collapse like a house of cards before the onslaught of public scrutiny.

My house is not made of cards, professor. And neither am I so insecure that I need to constantly scutinize my firmly established world view or wonder if I'm right or if I'm wrong about something or somebody. I'm through evaluating. I know when I'm right and my unshakable convictions are carved in granite. I don't need a gateway movement forum full of Xlings sheep ike StormFront to tell me when I'm right or wrong and haven't visited those softsoapers since 1996 when I first came online and they were the only racist game on the 'Net. Like I said, I prefer to be around people who agree with me and leave the disruptive troublemakers to an overeducated, pointy-headed professor like you.

It's your perrogative to compare my statement defending Dr. Pierce from those who claim he ran a JOG false flag operation with the statements of those who leaked out the ugly truth about the rotton corruptors, Gliebe/Walker, and their hijacking of everything Dr. Pierce had so carefully built. You might want to check around a little, though, and discover that I was in the lead element of those in that latter group. I was right then and I'm right now. I'm right on both counts, professor. You can have the "uncensored free speech" clusterfuck where everything is scrutinized to death by every anonymous swinging dick, including enemy saboteurs, who are hooked up to a modem.

Try to imagine Dr. Pierce allowing his lying detractors to constantly disrupt his every effort to communicate with his membership and supporters and potential supporters. It wouldn't happen because he understood and followed the First Commandment of Propaganda: Thou dost never allow one's enemies to foul one's own informational transmission belts.

These words might as well have been the collective proclamation of Stormfront moderators a couple of years back, when a few brave and established NA members began to leak out the ugly truth behind the rotten corruption running rampant inside the Gliebe-run National Alliance. Stormfront's response: Those brave members were viciously accused of "sowing discord" - just before being burned at the stake like a 16th century Salem witch.

I contend: if we cannot stand up to our own self-scrutiny, then we'll collapse like a house of cards before the onslaught of public scrutiny.

The NA made mistakes. Dr Pierce made mistakes. That doesn't make them ZOG agents. For me the end came in a series of events that I think showed a lack of respect for the rank and file. First off, I am glad that I heard about Dr. Pierce's death from an email by Chicago NA unit coordinator Dave Neesan and NOT from TOM BROKAW like so many NA members did. Here were members working toward something without full knowledge of the facts. This earth shaking news of his illness was kept from us. The final straw came when we find out via VNN or Overthrow that some guy commited suicide in Dr. Pierce's trailer and when I asked Pringle about it, he said "we won't be discussing it". Here was a situation where there was no doubt that police, FBI whomever wished to get involved could have taken WHATEVER they wanted from HQ which was now a crime scene and we pissons were not worthy to know about it. Pierce is why I joined, Pringle is why I left.