A guy who uses the pen name, “Maguire” wrote about this a few years back. Whether any of it is true or not, who knows. It was posted over at OD.

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12109.html

In the interest of uncensored free speech the civic-minded Mr. Maguire, a Covington crony, was allowed to post that crap on VNN, too. It can probably still be found archived in the "Letters" section of VNN. Maguire was the fellow who also found it useful in the interest of full disclosure to post former NA Board member Kitti Molz's home address and phone number, along with her employer's phone number, to encourage Gliebe's goons to harm her and get her fired from her job. She was the last of Dr. Pierce's Board members to stand in the way at the time of Gliebe's Alliance takeover, if you'll recall. All that about Miss Kitti was posted here on VNN and is probably archived, too. I protested, but to no avail because of the vaunted "uncensored free speech" policy. We needed to hear all sides, you know, even the enemy's, in order to be able to find the truth. ;o|

Where do you suppose our oh-so-helpful Mr. Maguire is today, Steve? We really could use such great leaders as he today, don't you think?

In the interest of uncensored free speech the civic-minded Mr. Maguire, a Covington crony, was allowed to post that crap on VNN, too. It can probably still be found archived in the "Letters" section of VNN. Maguire was the fellow who also found it useful in the interest of full disclosure to post former NA Board member Kitti Molz's home address and phone number, along with her employer's phone number, to encourage Gliebe's goons to harm her and get her fired from her job. She was the last of Dr. Pierce's Board members to stand in the way at the time of Gliebe's Alliance takeover, if you'll recall. All that about Miss Kitti was posted here on VNN and is probably archived, too. I protested, but to no avail because of the vaunted "uncensored free speech" policy. We needed to hear all sides, you know, even the enemy's, in order to be able to find the truth. ]

If you say it is so, Will, then I believe it. Yer a hard case but a liar you ain't. Maguires a scumbag!

 

Excuse me for being so astute as to observe who is looking to capitalize upon this dissention among our ranks.
NSM.
Quite frankly, dissention among our ranks is a healthy positive.
Whoever wants to go with NSM is free to go with NSM.
Whoever wants to go with whoever is free to do so.
White Nationals are White Nationals.
And our goals are the same.
When anyone puts their own goals to the forefront, then they can adhere to whichever faction they so choose.
For these ones to be present to sow their seeds of discord trying to recruit ones to their own subjective goals, well, fine.
Those who want to go, go.
In the meantime, our goal remains the same.
Why should we spend 90% of our time refuting those who would rather follow the dictates of others?
We have a mainstream America that is beginning to listen to us.
Why should we sabotage our own hard work with those extremist factions looking to capitlize from our hard earned gains?
Obviously, the methods of these extreme factions do not work.
And yet they LOVE to say they are one of us when they truly are not.
If mainstream America agreed with the extreme factions, they would be a member of these same groups.
And now that we are disassociating ourselves from the extreme factions, mainstream White Americans want to hear more from us.
And mainstream White Americans do NOT believe in race mixing. They DO believe that our own government is working against us. And the only solutions we bring them is whacked violence as opposed to constructive alternatives.
So those of you who want to go out and kill, go out and kill.
In the meantime, there are those of us who risk our lives for constructive change.

Try to imagine Dr. Pierce allowing his lying detractors to constantly disrupt his every effort to communicate with his membership and supporters and potential supporters. It wouldn't happen because he understood and followed the First Commandment of Propaganda: Thou dost never allow one's enemies to foul one's own informational transmission belts.

Well, you continue to wet my whistle with this thought.

I will make a bold suggestion....

Since you garnish so much respect from the menfolk here White Will,
maybe Mr. Linder could give you your own sub forum with a mod at your command. Of course I do not know if a sub forum could function in this way, but I am interested in this censored free speech ya talk about. But of course this suggestion would lead to someone saying, maybe ya should get ya's own forum. I myself would like to see ya post more here, especially with ya being in Pierce's inner circle.

It seems to me it would be like old USA where the enemies of the state were not allowed the freedom to foul our media they are allowed now.
And maybe it will provide more productive processing and activities since we would not waste as much time battling the misinformation. Miss Information is the jew's favorite tool.

Just my two cents in dealing with this block in the road.

I never attacked William Pierce, just the idea that anyone is above questioning. In your case, Mr. Williams, you are entitled to being totally convinced you have the truth in your hands. And well you may have. However, Alex Linder permits his forum members to freely question William Pierce, up to and including his truth and honesty in dealing with others. If you have a problem with that, please address Mr. Linder - not I.

Now, if you still suspect I'm "secretly" anti-Pierce, try reading this ballad I wrote in honor of him, and judge for yourself:

THE FAME OF A DEAD MAN’S DEEDS
Adaptation 5

CHORUS (Female):Liberals and Jews, he was to say,
destroyedAmerica, along with the gays.
They'd filled our white schools with minority thugs,
then flashed happy smiles and gave us all hugs.
As the darkness grew nearer, our cities grew browner,
No one to help us, no one to care! The white race was dying,
tryin' to hold on, against a cold wind, a lone child was cryin'!

Oh, cryin'!
Oh, cryin'!

In the wind! In the rain! Feel the pain!
White man, arise!
Your time has not ended!
You’ll find your way again,

For though cattle may die and men may die,
the fame of a dead man’s deeds never dies!

MALE VOCALIST:Everywhere he looked, nothing but decay,
Everywhere he walked, a passion to say,

Give back myAmerica, the one white men made!
Honor our Forefathers, with the blood that they paid!

But who was this man, I often hear asked,
what did he do, what was his task?

Georgia born on a hot Southern morn, he saw a bright vision,
grown to strong manhood he began on his mission.

He searched far and wide for just the right men,
then gathered them together and called them his kin.

He asked of them everything, and then a bit more,
he had no other choice for we were at war.

CHORUS (Female):Liberals and Jews, he was to say,
destroyedAmerica, along with the gays.
They'd filled our white schools with minority thugs,
then flashed happy smiles and gave us all hugs.
As the darkness grew nearer, our cities grew browner,
No one to help us, no one to care! The white race was dying,
tryin' to hold on, against a cold wind, a lone child was cryin'!

Oh, cryin'!
Oh, cryin'!

In the wind! In the rain! Feel the pain!
White man, arise!
Your time has not ended!
You’ll find your way again,

For though cattle may die and men may die,
the fame of a dead man’s deeds never dies!

MALE VOCALIST:The years raced on by asAmericagrew darker,
but he never gave in and worked even harder.

Millions in time came to hear his bold words,
ofThird Worldinvasion by teeming brown herds.

But a force rose against them called the NationalAlliance,
A new path of hope, full of strength and defiance.
More came to join his undying quest,
to work at his side and never let rest,

His dream of a nation both prosperous and free,
Would you not follow him, from sea to bright sea?

The answer is clear my wondering friend,
it sings in the mountains, it sighs on the wind,

CHORUS (Female):Liberals and Jews, he was to say,
destroyedAmerica, along with the gays.
They'd filled our white schools with minority thugs,
then flashed happy smiles and gave us all hugs.
As the darkness grew nearer, our cities grew browner,
No one to help us, no one to care! The white race was dying,
tryin' to hold on, against a cold wind, a lone child was cryin'!

Oh, cryin'!
Oh, cryin'!

In the wind! In the rain! Feel the pain!
White man, arise!
Your time has not ended!
You’ll find your way again,

For though cattle may die and men may die,
the fame of a dead man’s deeds never dies!

MALE VOCALIST:He witnessed Tomorrow in the palm of his hand,
And realized two futures destined our land,

One of dark peoples, andAmerica's fall,
or one of White Glory, and triumph for all,

He knew this well and decided to fight,
and gave us his spirit to help us unite.

But now he is gone, and the torch has been passed,
will you not follow in the light that he cast?

The answer is clear my wondering friend,
it sings in the mountains, it sighs on the wind,

The future is ours if only we but heed,
his undying courage, and the wisdom of his deeds.

CHORUS (Female):Liberals and Jews, he was to say,
destroyedAmerica, along with the gays.
They'd filled our white schools with minority thugs,
then flashed happy smiles and gave us all hugs.
As the darkness grew nearer, our cities grew browner,
No one to help us, no one to care! The white race was dying,
tryin' to hold on, against a cold wind, a lone child was cryin'!

Oh, cryin'!
Oh, cryin'!

In the wind! In the rain! Feel the pain!
White man, arise!
Your time has not ended!
You’ll find your way again,

For though cattle may die and men may die,
the fame of a dead man’s deeds never dies!

©2006

Hoffman is a Bible-believing Xian.

He's also an egalitarian. I find Michael Hoffman to have leftist tendencies, despite organized Jewry's characterization of people opposed to their agenda as "right-wing extremists."

His book "They Were White and They Were Slaves" was very left-wing (though still an excellent read).

. . . [in] the name of "uncensored free speech."

Yup, free speech sure does suck. We better get rid of it in a hurry once we've set up our Aryan Utopia.

Try to imagine Dr. Pierce allowing his lying detractors to constantly disrupt his every effort to communicate with his membership and supporters and potential supporters. It wouldn't happen because he understood and followed the First Commandment of Propaganda: Thou dost never allow one's enemies to foul one's own informational transmission belts.

So if I'm to understand your assertion, VNNF isn't a discussion forum, it's a propaganda "transmission belt." What propaganda are you attempting to transmit here, and who is your target audience? Is Alex Linder aware that his forum has become a propaganda transmission belt for your ideas?

White Nationals are White Nationals.
And our goals are the same.

That's the problem. Our goals aren't the same. If some of these WN's ever got the William Pierce-style Aryan Utopia that they seem to be after, I (and others who think like me) would be among the first to get a bullet through the head.

I want to live in a White society. I want to live in a society without muds and without Jews (or at the least, a society in which those groups are segregated and are not allowed citizenship). I realize that ultimately, there will be no entirely peaceful way of accomplishing this. But once it is accomplished, I do not want to live in a totalitarian society. I don't want my children, or my children's children to live in a totalitarian society. That's a pretty major (and probably irreconcilable) difference, I'd say.

But once it is accomplished, I do not want to live in a totalitarian society. I don't want my children, or my children's children to live in a totalitarian society. That's a pretty major (and probably irreconcilable) difference, I'd say.

To think that our white society will be totalitarian is foolish. I like to think of it as 'like minds'. We functioned pretty good as a white socity here in the states until the disruptive types came along.

Jane: "To think that our white society will be totalitarian is foolish. I like to think of it as 'like minds'. We functioned pretty good as a white socity here in the states until the disruptive types came along."

I agree with you, insofar that America is restored to our original America, minus nigs, jews, et al, along with a newer, modified form of democracy.

But if we start raising swastikas above the White House, then we will have reached a totalitarian state, in which no "shades" of WN will be allowed -leaving only one kind - the Nazi kind.

That's the problem. Our goals aren't the same. If some of these WN's ever got the William Pierce-style Aryan Utopia that they seem to be after, I (and others who think like me) would be among the first to get a bullet through the head.

I want to live in a White society. I want to live in a society without muds and without Jews (or at the least, a society in which those groups are segregated and are not allowed citizenship). I realize that ultimately, there will be no entirely peaceful way of accomplishing this. But once it is accomplished, I do not want to live in a totalitarian society. I don't want my children, or my children's children to live in a totalitarian society. That's a pretty major (and probably irreconcilable) difference, I'd say.

This is what I am trying to say.
Basically what you are expressing.
We all DO have a common goal.
To live in a White Nation,
and NOT a Totalitarian State.
To have communities of Whites who CHOOSE to be a part of that particular community.
Where Whites can live with Whites.
Whether they be christian or not.
Perhaps I need to clarify a point here.
Christianity is NOT a problem, for Christian values are good and moral values.
JUDEO-Christianity is the problem.
To be more precise, JUDEO is the problem.
It is getting those ones to recognize that JUDEO has nothing to do with the Christian faith.
The Old Testament is nothing more than a recitation of Jewish "We are the Chosen" propaganda.
The Catholics recognize this.
The others need to get the jew out of their faith, for as long as they believe that the jew is the origin of their faith, they are going to support the jew.
There are many good White people who follow the JUDEO version of christianity, and do believe that the jews are the "Chosen People".
And I am not sure if they will ever be able to separate the JUDEO from Christianity.
And THIS is a major obstacle to overcome.

If there's such a difference between 'JUDEO' and christian, as I've heard tell around here ad nauseum, why then the flap over judge Roy Moore's refusal
to remove the ten commandments from his courthouse? Was moses a white man too? It was during this flap that the scum-bucket radio man from new jersey announced "If you're not white or christian then get the hell out of my country or I'll put a bullet in your head".
I've yet to hear of any "William Pierce-style Aryan Utopian" advocate such extreme medicine for xtians. I could be wrong about that but I'd like to see a little substantiation. Some clockwork orange type re-education might go a long way, however.

.....If some of these WN's ever got the William Pierce-style Aryan Utopia that they seem to be after, I (and others who think like me) would be among the first to get a bullet through the head.
.....

You're believing the bullshit the Jews have been saying about Pierce for years I guess.

I don't find a call for uniformity of message to be "totalitarian." What we have here is a generation of people who are weaned and trained by the Jewish-American "system" to be completely unruly, individualistic, and unable to subvert personal whims to a group purpose. "Like herding cats" for short. What some people take as "cultlike uniformity" about the old NA, I take for discipline.

I suppose most moderns would have considered Sparta a cult no? They took boys from their homes at 7 and put them in the agoge, where they had a thin cloak for their only garment year round and not enough food to eat for the next ten years until they were men. They were expected to steal to round out there diet but if they were caught they would be caned. And that was just the start.

See to lord it over a bunch of fucking slaves, that outnumber you ten to one, like the Spartans lorded it over the enslaved Messenian population, you need "discipline." Discipline and organization. Luckily some people understand that.

I don't believe for a second that socalled Piercian Aryan utopians would implement a permanent totalitarian state along the Jew's fictional depictions of Nazi Germany. Consider that today, there are more police PER CAPITA in the USA than there were in Germany during that time. But, do I think that discipline and a certain amount of uniformity are socially necessary and need to be imposed by force? You're fucking right I do. Otherwise I would still be a "limperterian."

To think that our white society will be totalitarian is foolish. I like to think of it as 'like minds'. We functioned pretty good as a white socity here in the states until the disruptive types came along.

And how are you going to defeat the disruptive types without discipline organization and some uniformity. Think about that. You dont have to like the work at hand you just need to get it done.