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According to the New York Sun, Jean-Marie Le Pen and the Front National have begun courting Muslims. This goes beyond Le Pen's remarks about respecting Islam, and fully into promoting Eurabia.
I hope that the neocon Sun ran a bad story. I defended Le Pen as the salvation of France against the Muslim hordes.More importantly, Le Pen's possible defection sets back the French nationalists another election cycle or more.
In the last election Le Pen got 20% of the vote for president, forcing a run off between himself and Chirac. With the beur violence this fall, he could do far better next time.
If the story is correct, Le Pen is surrendering at the moment he should be triumphant.
It seems that Count Philippe de Villiers of the Movement for France (MPF) is the last supporter of a Christian France and Western Civilization.
I note that the Sun article, which Ron L sent me, doesn't actually quote Le Pen. It also doesn't quote any of the “horrified” Christian right-wingers who are supposedly deserting the party over Le Pen's supposed pro-Islam tilt. We need better information source to find out what's going on here. Since the Sun article is only available to subscribers, I am reproducing it here:
France's Le Pen To Strike a Deal With Muslims
By MICHEL GURFINKIEL
February 17, 2006
It looks like a political oxymoron, but Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front is poised to strike an alliance with France's large immigrant Muslim community.
A generation after France's right-wing party began its surge with a tough anti-immigration campaign tinged with both racism and anti-Semitism, three factors are coming into play that could spell a strategic realignment.
These factors, which are still little grasped outside political circles in France but will have an enormous impact, include:
* The Islamicization of France is largely a fait accompli. It is assumed that 6 to 8 million citizens or residents of France, 10% to 13% out of a global population of 62 million, are Muslim by now. And that the Muslim community, being more prolific, is much younger than the rest of the population: As much as 25% of French citizens or residents under 20 is Muslim, with the number reaching 40% or 50% in the big cities.
* The National Front is surprisingly popular among Muslim immigrants or second-generation Muslim citizens. For all its campaigning about immigration, Mr. Le Pen's party has always extended support to Arab and Islamic causes abroad, from Saddam's Iraq to Arafat's or Hamas Palestine, and from Al Qaeda to Iran. And it is as firmly anti-American and anti-Jewish as the Muslim community itself tends to be.
* The attraction of the French far left, which accounts for another 20% of the national vote, toward Islam, rabid anti-Americanism, and even anti-Semitism, a phenomenon underscored by the emergence of Dieudonne, a former liberal music-hall humorist who has turned into an enormously popular French equivalent of Louis Farrakhan. Dieudonne, the son of a black Camerounese father and a white French mother, claims that Jews were the main European slave traders in the 17th and 18th centuries. He refers to civic and educational programs about the Holocaust as “memory pornography.” He has welcomed the electoral victory of Hamas in Palestine. According to the philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy, he is in moral terms “Le Pen's son.”
Mr. Le Pen's inner circle seems to have entertained such a strategy for quite a time. Back in 1999, Samuel Marechal, one of Mr. Le Pen's sons-in-law, stated that France was becoming “a multiethnic and multireligious society,” and that “Islam was now France's second religion.”
This was greeted by an outcry among the Front's rank and file and Mr. Marechal had to step down from various positions. Still, he remained one of Mr. Le Pen's closest advisors.
More recently, Jean-Claude Martinez, a National Front member of the European Parliament and Mr. Le Pen's “strategic adviser,” has reiterated Mr. Marechal's challenge in a book issued under the improbable title “To all French citizens who may have voted for Le Pen if only once in their life.”
He argued that the National Front must adjust to globalization, forget about some of its founding myths, like “Joan of Arc fighting an alien invasion,” and welcome immigrant blacks and Arabs into the national fold.
He even expressed enthusiasm for black and Arab rap, as long as it is sung in French rather than English. This time there was no talk of disciplinary measures against the heretic.
Various sources are now reporting that Mr. Martinez is supported by Marine Le Pen, Jean-Marie's eldest daughter and heir apparent.
During the 2005 riots, when even communist and socialist mayors were asking for police and even army deployment in the French urban communities, the National Front refrained from any active anti-immigrant or anti-Islamic campaigning.
Over the last weeks, in the wake of the crisis over the Danish cartoons, the National Front has sided with Muslims in their claim that “religious sensibilities must be respected.”
“We have nothing against Islam as a religion,” the National Front Federation of the Var county, in Southern France, stated earlier this month.
Political analysts wonder how far the experiment can go. The real issue, many analysts say, is a schism within the French far right on who is the chief enemy.
The National Front has always been a coalition of two very distinct political families: Neofascists, like Mr. Le Pen himself, and traditional, Christian right-wingers.
Neofascists think Jews and Americans are the chief enemy, rather than Arabs and Muslims. In a way, they even tend to celebrate Arabs and Muslims as fellow fascists. As for Christian right-wingers, they see Arabs and Muslims as the chief enemy.
For years, Mr. Le Pen has been pretending he is a Christian right-winger rather than a Neofascist and that resistance to Muslim immigration is his major concern. Now he has emerged on the side of the Neofascist branch and is ready to drop the anti-Muslim issue.
The Christian right-wingers—who may have provided more than 50% of the party activists and more than 50% of the voters—are horrified, feel betrayed and have started deserting en masse. Many are turning to Philippe de Villiers, France's chief Eurosceptic, who is quickly reorganizing his own party, Mouvement Pour la France or MPF, into a nativist, Christian-minded, anti-Muslim group.
According to the newspaper Liberation, the global National Front membership has dropped from 40,000 in the late 1990s to 20,000 in 2002 and to 12,000 in 2005.
According to CSA, a polling institute, support for Mr. Le Pen among prospective voters has dropped to 9% in February from 11% in December and 12% in September. During the same period, MPF's support more than doubled to 7%. What remains to be seen is whether Le Pen will actually compensate the Christian right-wingers' hemorrhage with a substantial influx of Muslim supporters.
Islamic leaders in France are advising their followers to act as “democratic and responsible citizens,” i.e., to register as prospective voters and to enter as full-fledged activists into all major political parties, either ight of left. Indeed, a reconstructed, Muslim-friendly National Front stands a good chance to win many of them.
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Posted : 21/02/2006 8:47 pm
This makes sense if he truly wants to get elected in France. With a large Muslim population it would be political suicide if he was to alienate such a large proportion of the population.
Hail Jeboo!
Posted : 21/02/2006 9:44 pm
It's the Sun, so it's probably a hit-piece. Le Pen is really as good as it will get for France in the foreseeable future. That's why it's more important to get involved in politics on the frontier of Eastern Europe, namely Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, and Slovenia. These countries have rather liberal establishments yet haven't had the chance to import massive numbers of immigrants so far.
Hey morons!! BAN ME!!!
Posted : 21/02/2006 10:12 pm
Le Pen, according to Michael Hoffman, praised Ariel Sharon, was that better?
Posted : 21/02/2006 10:22 pm
Some people see him as being a populist. If so one could expect him to waffle a lot depending on the direction of the wind.
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Posted : 21/02/2006 10:24 pm
It's the Sun, so it's probably a hit-piece. Le Pen is really as good as it will get for France in the foreseeable future. That's why it's more important to get involved in politics on the frontier of Eastern Europe, namely Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, and Slovenia. These countries have rather liberal establishments yet haven't had the chance to import massive numbers of immigrants so far.
Wait until they are full integrated into the EU, then they will be swamped muds and niggers from every corner of the earth. Le Pen is not an idiot, he knows he will have pander to some undesirables in order to get elected, the demographics in France are changing, Le Pen is just adjusting to them. The situation in central/easten Euro countries are better..... for now.
Hail Jeboo!
Posted : 21/02/2006 10:29 pm
They won't be fully integrated into the EU, because that has enemies on both sides. It is our job to stop these things from happening anyway.
Hey morons!! BAN ME!!!
Posted : 21/02/2006 10:35 pm
Who are the Beurs mentioned in the article above? I suspect that the term comes from the French beurre which means butter and the phrase beurre noir which means browned butter (pan-fried). That's my guess.
"The archetype for immigration and national identity issues centers on the Beurs, second-generation North Africans, who are born of immigrant parents, but have all the rights and privileges of citizenship, thus translating to access to the French State. Thus, at the core of the immigration debate in France lies the nature of Beur political identity."
Considering the fact that the article was written by a man by the name of Gurfinkiel, I am inclined to wait for further developments before writing off Le Pen.
Courting the Muslim vote in order to get elected so that he can deal with the Muslim Problem is like a virgin earning money as a prostitute in order to buy a chastity belt.
As I have stated elsewhere on this forum, the people of the White Nations must learn to see that there are two aspects to this problem. One is the global relations between the White Nations and the Muslim nations vis-a-vis our common enemy...the jews; the other being the very real threat posed to us by the rapid increase within the White Nations of the Muslim populations living amongst us.
The difficulty of removing the Muslims and for America the more pressing problem of the Mexicans seems to be insurmountable, and it may well be, short of all out internal wars which would probably bring us into conflict with the Muslim nations globally. One possible solution to the problem, perhaps a bit far-fetched but worth considering in the absence of anything better, would be to offer the Muslim world a two pronged deal.
One, we remove all ZOG dominated White Nations' military forces from the Muslim nations and put an end to jewish corporate global economic interference within those nations.
Two, we pass laws within the White Nations making it mandatory that any Muslim (Mexican or any non-white for that matter) who becomes pregnant would have to return to her native land and take one Muslim/Mexican/non-white man with her, never to return to a White Nation. We could do the same for any white woman who became pregnant by any non-white man. This may seem implausible in implementing but, if in this hoped for future, this alternative is seen as preferable to race war, it may receive enough support to be accepted. It is a possiblity to consider.
Of course the objection that will be raised, and it is a valid one , is that neither of my suggested actions is possible with continued political and economic ZOG control of the White Nations. But consider this: Perhaps the apathy amongst white people over this problem is to some extent due to their seeing no reasonable solution to the problem short of bloodshed on a scale which they find unacceptable. If they were presented with a legal, non-bloody, more acceptable alternative, they might become more active in their opposition to the non-white demographic plague that they can clearly see is about to destroy them.
The jews would no doubt launch a massive counter-offensive against such an initiative coming from the WN camp. But might not such a move by the jews against what would appear to white people as a reasonable alternative to both race war and extinction act to open the eyes of the white people to the control and hypocricacy of the jews. Eventually, if WNs are to prevail in our struggle with ZOG, something that we do must awaken the rest of the white people to the machinations of the jews and the seriousness of the position that we are in. The obviously anti-white, irrational repsonse by the jews to this reasonable initiative might be that something.
Why not give it a try?
The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus
[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus
Posted : 22/02/2006 8:51 am
If you want to win in politics you need to do and say whatever it takes to get elected, even if that means making alliances with Muslims in the short term. As much as Muslims threaten European identity they are a secondary problem. Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem everywhere.
Everything hinges on that. Besides Muslim doesn't necessarily mean non White. Muslims are the only cohesive group on the planet that understands the Jew and are in a real position to do something about it.
What is the phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Posted : 22/02/2006 9:25 am
If you want to win in politics you need to do and say whatever it takes to get elected, even if that means making alliances with Muslims in the short term. As much as Muslims threaten European identity they are a secondary problem. Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem everywhere.
Everything hinges on that. Besides Muslim doesn't necessarily mean non White. Muslims are the only cohesive group on the planet that understands the Jew and are in a real position to do something about it.
What is the phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The primary goal that WNs must seek right now is the awakening of the non-WN white people within the White Nations, not winning in politics. Political action can be one amongst many useful tactics in achieving our real goal but what do we gain if we find ourselves bogged down in an alliance with a group of people who are a very large part of the serious problem of white racial extinction. Gaining a small, temporary tactical, political advantage at such a price seems to me to be short-sighted.
And what if Le Pen did win, miraculously, with the help of the Muslims. If he then tried to rid France of the Muslims they would return to the liberals, form a coalition, call for a vote of no confidence and force new elections which would promptly oust Le Pen. He would then be confronted with a rejuvenated liberal/Muslim alliance with jews still in control. And if he didn't try to rid France of the Muslims, his white French supporters would abandon him for not delivering what they want which is to be rid of the Muslim Problem. Seems like lose-lose to me.
I agree with you that "Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem" but that does not mean that an alliance with the Muslims is a useful tactic within the White Nations . As I have written elsewhere on this forum (search Muslim Problem), we must see that while the Muslim nations may serve us as allies against the jews globally, they still represent a serious threat to white survival within the White Nations and this threat cannot be dismissed until we deal with the jewish Problem.
In fact, if you re-read my previous post above, you will see that the intent of my suggestion was to create a situation wherein the jews would be confronted with a serious dilemma which might expose their deceitful machinations to the light of day resulting in the WN-hoped-for awakening of the mass of white people still befuddled by them.
The jews do not want the White Nations to be rid of their internal Muslim Problem (or the non-white problem in general). They created it. It serves their purpose. They also do not want to see a White Nations/Muslim nations global alliance against them. Thus their trumpeting of the so-called "Clash of Civilizations". So they rile up the Muslims within the White Nations while leaving easily discovered clues to their so doing as a ruse to WNs whom the jews then expect to see the Muslims within the White Nations as potential allies against the jews on the reasoning of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Unfortunately, many WNs are falling for it.
That is precisely what the jews want...for WNs to fall for this trick and ignore the very real threat that Muslims represent within the White Nations. At the same time they are marshaling their ZOG puppet governments in the White Nations for a holy war against the Muslim nations. And while they are waging that war with our money and racially compromised militaries, we will be left to suffer the turmoil and depredations of the enraged Muslims ( and other non-whites) within the White Nations falsely angry with us for what ZOG is doing in our name to their brothers in the Muslim nations.
This is the deceit that WNs must see. The jews want WNs to ally themselves with the Muslims within the White Nations (they also want non-WNs to hate the Muslims which they are also succeeding in doing) since "the enemy of our enemy is our friend" while we remain powerless to stop their holy war against the Muslims nations. They want chaos within the White Nations and total victory in their "Clash of Civilizations". They win...we lose. The jewish agenda triumphant.
I am not so naive to think that my suggestion of a compromise with the Muslims would have much chance of success though it might. The Muslims are being dealt a ruse similiar to the one that we are being dealt. All white people are the enemy, all white people are allies of the jews. We should try to make them see that we do not hate them but that we do want separation fom them...we will leave their nations and they will leave ours. They may then see that we are not all allies of the jews.
The intent of my suggestion was to create a public awareness of these deceptions of the jews in order to expose them to the masses of white people. My hope is that the jewish resistance to this reasonable offer would awaken more white people to the invisible-as-yet-to-them jewish domination of our public discourse on the dangers facing us. Something must trigger that awakening. I offered my suggestion in hopes of doing that.
The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus
[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus
Posted : 22/02/2006 12:15 pm
Your points are well taken Burrhus.
But to have just one Nationalist lead a major European country might create a domino effect. There are no politicians in the U.S. who are even discussing the immigration problem but there are political parties throughout Europe poised to make a breakthrough.
We desparately need to gain a foothold somewhere.
Think also of what LePen could do behind the scenes. He would be privy to France's intelligence reports and overturn many policies put in place by the Jews.
If I was him I would make Jean Raspail my chief of staff lol
Posted : 22/02/2006 2:37 pm
It makes sense because the muslims are not our enemy, if we ally with them we can have a fighting chance against the jews.
Posted : 22/02/2006 5:22 pm
Your points are well taken Burrhus.
But to have just one Nationalist lead a major European country might create a domino effect. There are no politicians in the U.S. who are even discussing the immigration problem but there are political parties throughout Europe poised to make a breakthrough.
We desparately need to gain a foothold somewhere.
Think also of what LePen could do behind the scenes. He would be privy to France's intelligence reports and overturn many policies put in place by the Jews.
If I was him I would make Jean Raspail my chief of staff lol
Imagine that you are the Le Pen (a redundancy since "Le" means "the" in French) of an American Nationalist Party...and what a wonderful dream that would be. Would you appeal to Mexican voters for support? Do you think that there is the remotest possibilty that would get 2% of that vote? Or that if you made that appeal you would get more than 10% of the white vote? And if by some miracle you did get enough Mexican votes and white votes to win, then what would you do? Close the Mexican border as you ought to? Arrest and kick all of the illegal Mexicans out as you ought to? Do what you could to get the legal Mexicans who have come here since the disastrous 1965 Immigration Bill to leave as you ought to? There would be riots on an unprecedented scale.
And that's all asuming that along with your victory you managed to get a majority in both houses of Congress or sufficient support in the military to ignore Congress. Quite a bit of imagining to do here.
That's the situation facing Le Pen with respect to the Muslims in France. He couldn't get elected without white support and couldn't get any white support if he allies himself with the Muslims. And what if he did win? What would he do about the Muslims after that? Close the borders? Expel the illegals? Work to build an all-white France? Il ne se peut pas. Not possible.
I agree with you that it would be great to have a white nationalist in power in some country to get a foothold from which to advance but Le Pen and France are not the man or place. You are correct in stating that most European countries have nationalist political parties that are far ahead of anything that we have...not hard to do since we have none...Reform Party anyone?...Pat Buchahan? If only Senator Byrd were younger, then maybe...
I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade here but we must be realistic. The Front National in France can't even protect the saintly Robert Faurisson from jewish assault on the streets of his own city. We are not anywhere near ready to take political power in the name of white nationalism...barring a cataclysmic collapse of society although in case that does happen we should be ready with some underground organization prepared to take advantage of such an event. Are we? I think not but maybe I'm just not aware of it.
The goal now is to awaken the non-WN white people to the threats facing them as a result of jewish domination of our societies. To do that we must expose the deceptive contradictions inherent in the various jewish scams being foisted on the people of the White Nations. Especially the contradictions in the jew dominated media presentation of the Muslim Problem as I have outlined in my previous post. That might get the attention of enough white people to start a nationalist bandwagon rolling.
The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus
[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus
Posted : 22/02/2006 6:38 pm
It makes sense because the muslims are not our enemy, if we ally with them we can have a fighting chance against the jews.
The Muslims are not our enemy...WHERE? In Belgium,France,the Netherlands,Denmark,Germany,Kosovo,Chechnya? I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.
In Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Palestine (yes I call it Palestine),Lebanon and the other Muslim nations in the Middle East,Central Asia and South East Asia. No, I don't believe that they are our enemy in those places.
The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe. That is the two pronged scam that they are pulling in preparation for their "Clash of Civilizations" jewish war to destroy White Western Civilization, crush the Muslim nations and implement the "final solution"...the ages old jewish agenda...world domination.
We WNs need to pull the wool off of our eyes and see the present situation as it really is. Before it is too late.
The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus
[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus
Posted : 22/02/2006 7:02 pm
The Muslims are not our enemy...WHERE? In Belgium,France,the Netherlands,Denmark,Germany,
These immigrant problems are not related to the other insurgencies you mentioned. These problems were caused by our own governments, and the problem is not simply with Muslim immigrants but all non-white immigrants.
Kosovo,Chechnya? I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.
Kosovo has more to do with Communism than Islam. Many of the Albanians are nominally Muslim but there are plenty of non-Muslim Albanians that caused trouble there. Chechnya was a colony of the Russian empire, and as such every Chechen gets automatic citizenship so long as Chechnya remains a part of Russia. Russians haven't lived their in a long time. It is a worthless black hole of Russia's dwindling human resources.
In Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Palestine (yes I call it Palestine),Lebanon and the other Muslim nations in the Middle East,Central Asia and South East Asia. No, I don't believe that they are our enemy in those places.
Agreed.
The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe.
"Muslims" aren't the problem in Europe- NON-EUROPEANS are the problem.
That is the two pronged scam that they are pulling in preparation for their "Clash of Civilizations" jewish war to destroy White Western Civilization, crush the Muslim nations and implement the "final solution"...the ages old jewish agenda...world domination.
If the Clash of Civilizations were simply a Jewish idea it would be far less threatening. But unfortunately so many "nationalist" parties and conservatives have jumped on it that even WNs get confused. You'll see the effects on Stormfront.
Hey morons!! BAN ME!!!
Posted : 22/02/2006 7:21 pm
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