Is he not the NSM's "Minister of Propaganda"? Am I mistaken here? I don't think so. So, if Von Bluvens has been appointed a "Minister" by the NSM, that's a very high rank indeed, that is, if it carries the same connotation that it did in the Third Reich. Think of Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, for instance, or Minister of Armaments Albert Speer. Both wielded enormous power under their respective ministerial titles. But then, what you're really telling me here is that Von Bluvens has a 'feel good' bullshit title, and that in reality his title of "Minister" doesn't mean jack-shit, since, as you said, he was nothing more than a Corporal up until a short time ago.

Why not be more realistic in your system of granting titles, CD? "Minister"? Give me a break. When one is labeled a "Minister", that is considered a title of HIGH rank, from the UK to Indonesia. Or was the NSM only trying to mimick - once again - the power and the glory of the real Third Reich.

"Minister of Radio" is a job, not a rank.

Drake speaks for himself:

Just so everyone is aware, I'm not gone nor considering it. I did, however, consider leaving the Office of Information because of all the constant confusion there. If a few statement concerning my status in the party are issued by my friend and long time close associate, Vonbluvens, then I think everything is all patched up and I'm back to helping them as normal.

I am under OATH to this party and its leadership. Guys like me run on oaths, fellas. In the SS, you are under oath to the Commander, Chairman and the ideals of National Socialism. Our tradition calls back to a time when men marched off to their deaths for the value of oaths and loyalty. The Stormtroops are no less honorable or dependable but at the same time, less is expected of them. A lot is expected of anyone who makes an oath, a promise or swears upon his worth as a man, a comrade and a soldier. If ever I fail in upholding all I swore too, my a fall upon my dagger and fade from the memory of all as the life fades from my eyes.

Live National Socialist, Live Loyal or Die,
SS Mann Christopherussell Paul Drake
Former Georgia Unit Leader, Iron Sights Radio Host, Skinhead, Warrior, Poet and most importantly and dearly, Comrade to his brothers.

Chris, you seem sincere but your ORG is full of dishonorable people. You wouldn't be "loyal" to republicans or democrats because they are not worthy of such respect. I think that even with the misfits in the NSM, what Bill White does (will always do, kiddies) is as anti-Aryan as anything done by our racial enemies. He puts himself in a place of power and in the end seeks to destroy his "host" be it NSM, VNN or whatever by slander and dubious expose's.
People who are oh-so-eager to get their face in the limelight should be shunned. Bill White just dropped the other shoe that MANY of us KNEW would fall. It's deja-vu all over again.
I don't think that the NSM is worthy of your loyalty. It is full of misfits. It's a house built on sand.

[

QUOTE=Christopher Drake]Drake speaks for himself:

I am under OATH to this party and its leadership. Guys like me run on oaths, fellas.

GUYS LIKE YOU RUN ON BULLSHIT YOU FUCKING DRUNKERD
.BTW ASSHOLE DIDNT SEE YOU AT NORDIC FEST AS YOU SAID ......JUST ANOTHER LIE

If ever I fail in upholding all I swore too, my a fall upon my dagger and fade from the memory of all as the life fades from my eyes.

BLAH , BLAH , BLAH , KINDA MELLOWDRAMATIC YOU MUST BE DRINKING TONIGHT

SS Mann Christopherussell Paul Drake
Former Georgia Unit Leader, Iron Sights Radio Host, Skinhead, Warrior, Poet and most importantly and dearly, Comrade to his brothers.

YOU FORGOT JEWLOVER ,DRUNK AND COWARD..................AND YOUR NO SKINHEAD YOU NEVER WERE

And, surprisingly, he did just that. To those still blindly defending the
core of the NSM - open your eyes and look around you. The damning
evidence is available for anyone who wants to read it. Start with the
Joy of Satan website and work your way outwards. It's all there in black
and white, in their own writings. There
is even another email list specifically for National Socialist Satanism.

National Socialist satanism?

Anyone else notice some interesting things about all this? That the joy of satan sect or cult or whatever describes itself as a "traditional" satanist group, as does a certain organization called the ONA (Order of Nine Angles), and that the joy of satan website has a link to an ONA site.

In addition, as someone else mentioned here in this thread, some in the NSM are alleged to have thought that such involvement with such an occultic group would a good idea because it might/would bring some recruits into their NS movement, just as a certain other group, the ONA, did a while back, if I am not mistaken.

I tell ya what I would love. For you to grow enough balls to run your Jew-mouth in my presence. Whattayasay, Professor??

Watch out! Roguey gonna put his deadly marine training to good use!

And, surprisingly, he did just that. To those still blindly defending the
core of the NSM - open your eyes and look around you. The damning
evidence is available for anyone who wants to read it. Start with the
Joy of Satan website and work your way outwards. It's all there in black
and white, in their own writings. People have made it out like Herrington's
wife is merely dabbling in Wicca, a harmless past-time that Cliff Herrington
grudgingly accepts, but doesn't condone. Bullshit! She is a "High Priestess"
of a Satanic cult with some 8000 members. She has been unemployed, as
apparently her husband has been as well, while Satanic cult members have
supported the couple with donations. Satanists paid their electricity bills.
Satanists paid the Internet connectivity bills. One Satanic benefactor took
the entire Herrington family out for dinner repeatedly, according to a "High
Priest" of the JoS cult.

Just read her writings - it's all there, plain as day. The Chairman of the NSM,
his wife, the Commander - all up to their necks in devil worship. There
is even another email list specifically for National Socialist Satanism. They
repeatedly and openly mock the KKK and CI, seeing them as useful idiots.
So much for White unity among the various organizations.

Bill White seemingly read some of the same things that I found. Obviously
a core group of the NSM (along with most of the new recruits, according to
the "High Priestess") are Satanists. Their stated plan is to come into political
power under the guise of a secular political organization, hiding their
devil-worshipping until they are firmly entrenched politically.

There is so, so much more. I'd rather not post any of these emails, unless
I'm challenged to. I'll repeat it again - everything is there, in their own forums,
in their own words. It's been over a week now, and the NSM has done nothing
but lie and try to cover this issue up. Business as usual.

The uniform issue was annoying. The criminal background of prominent members
was disconcerting. But this latest revelation we cannot let go unchallenged. I will not
sit idly by and allow myself and other decent Whites to be represented by and
associated with this ridiculous trash. If the members of the NSM refuse to do what
is needed to solve this problem, and continue to try to sweep this under the carpet,
I will take every opportunity to warn prospective recruits about what they
are really getting themselves into. Maybe I'll be the only one - a single voice in a
sea of people who are afraid to rock the boat. But I'll be there to spread the ugly
truth. If the NSM wants to be a Satanic recruitment tool, then unsuspecting
prospective WN recruits need to know about it. This goes for the current members
of the NSM as well. I know that there are many good, well-meaning people in the
NSM - and they should know what their current leadership really has in store for them.

You NSM guys do things your own way. You obviously don't take kindly to advice
from the outside. Regardless, here is some more, which for your organization's
sake I hope you take to heart:

If you want to have any chance of saving the NSM, then look inward, resign
yourselves to what you know has to be done (however hard it may be), and

[color="Red"]CLEAN FUCKING HOUSE!

I don't expect that this message will change any minds. The wagons will be circled
and the usual suspects will start screaming "juden, juden, juden, juden!", while
their house is burning down around them. But at least nobody can accuse me of
not trying.

I find you to be an objective and trustworthy source. I agree. NSM needs to clean house if for no other reason than for the benefit of decent Whites who support them both in the movement and out.

Here is the latest from Bill White. Attacking Cliff Herrington now.

http://overthrow88.blogspot.com

Cliff Herrington And His Wife Teach Kids To Have Sex
I am just really reading through the various Joy of Satan egroups and I think I'm going to be sick:

In Teens_for_Satan@yahoogroups.com, "unhallowedone"
wrote:
>
> Ok so I been a Satanist for a while meditating and such and jsut
> recently I have been using Satanic Magick. Small things like binding
> for sex and using my aura to attempt to influence my parents to give
> me back my candles and incense. My two main questions are 1. how do I
> no when I'm more advanced? Because I know I'm at teh beginer level but
> when have I reached the next level? and 2. How do I knwo if a
> thoughtform has worked? Thanks for the help!
>
> HAIL SATAN!

--- In Joy_of_Satan@yahoogroups.com, Tom
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings all brothers in Our Lord Lucifer:
> > >
> > > I used this sex spell to lure a woman and it
> > worked.
> > >
> > > I found a quiet place and meditated as I called
> > out
> > > the womans name. Be bold when you exclaim this:
> > >
> > > I visualized myself having sex with the woman I
> > > wanted. As I visualized this I saw us having sex
> > in
> > > fire, in water, in the air, and naked on the
> > ground.
> > >
> > > As I visualized this I removed my pants and
> > strokes
> > > myself calling out "
> > >
> > > Let this scepter give [say her name] pleasure like
> > no
> > > one else. May I be the sex she craves. May her
> > body
> > > want no other man but me!
> > >
> > > I visualized our sex until I came and then knelt
> > on
> > > the ground saying "So mote it be!"
> > >
> > > Today as this girl was leaving our office to go
> > back
> > > to hers (she was here for training), I walked her
> > out
> > > to her car. I went to shake her hand, instead she
> > > reaches over and kisses me full on the lips.
> > After
> > > that kiss she tells me her husband will be out
> > fishing
> > > this Friday night and I should come over and "keep
> > her
> > > company"
> > >
> > > Be bold my brothers in Satan. His power is real!
> > > Tommorrow night I will celebrate his power in the
> > arms
> > > and bed of tall sexy blonde.
> > >
> > > Hail Satan!

And, of course, there is Andrea's conviction that she is having sex with demons, and thousand of more messages just like this one.

This not only creeps me out, but seriously, seriously makes me a bit ill to have ever been involved with the NSM and Cliff Herrington to begin with.

Rogue Postman: I tell ya what I would love. For you to grow enough balls to run your Jew-mouth in my presence. Whattayasay, Professor??

Shit! Now I'm gettin' scared! But I guess a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do - go into training!

Me> Me in training>:box:

Be careful, PORC will hit you on the head with his bagel.

Again, it MUST be learned: Criminals, thugs, drug-users, decievers, embezzlers, alcoholics, stupid people, and idiots like Cliff Herrington need to be weeded out and gotten rid of. Buy the old fart a retirement dinner at Luby's or something, then put him out to pasture.

For with the Satan-Gate scandal now fully exposed, Herrington needs to go.

Hey Bill, read page 6, you know,where Hal and Professor of Racial Cleansing got it right.

This WITCH and the ol' man shoulda been the ones to change, (hand down chairmanship to someone else, still remain a member)

The bottom line is that Bill White needs to call Hal live on the air and apologize. Apologize without attacking someone else.

You "assumed" that this was some "aryan paganism" or wicca deal, when it wasn't. Hal read it all. You didn't. You had a knee-jerk reaction, and that was to attack the KKK (whom you have been making progress with), Aryan Nations, Hal Turner, Pastor Wickstrom, everyone but the Satan worshippers.

Finally, when you actualy did read the site and do some research, you realized you fucked up big time.

And in the process, you "demonized" Hal and others in the movement such as Pastor Wickstrom, Aryan Nations.

The solution: Harrington needs to step down and remain an "honarary" something. Sharing the PO Box is inexcusable.

New blood needs to step in. I really don't know who else should step up. Whoever was 100% against leaving the Turner Radio Network, and FOR severing the PO Box tie.

If there was any, they should be promoted. Because they have sound judgement.

I just can't believe you had ALL of your leadership immediately decide to leave Hal's network after the PO box tie was questioned. Unbelievable.

I would make that Nigel guy from California with the British accent the Chairman. Yea. That's the ultimate solution.

How cool would it be to have a guy with a British accent the head of America's Nazi Party? And when he is inteviewed, he automatically sounds more intelligent than you are. Just because of the accent. Do it.

Now you assholes are going to question an honorable man such as Christopher Drake? How dare you question his sincerity.

Most of you jerks don't give a DAMN about the righteous cause. You bastards are hypocrites!

This movement (regardless of which party or group is the most successful) is a target for your ridicule...you are only impressed with your own intellects.

Now as far as the NSM is concerned we don't have any religious affiliation. Hell, I remember a time here that Christians were ridiculed worse than Jews on this forum (using some of the same Satanicesque verbiage). Now, the fucking Satanist on THIS fucking forum is going to use one persons set of beliefs as a wedge issue against the only WN group that is doing anything in America?

It appears to me the non-Christians (especially on this forum) doth protest just A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH concerning this new found revelation. This is the main reason why I call you people fucking hypocrites.

You people are implacable without loyalty.

I am loyal to the NSM and still see more value to it than any other organization or individual in America.

Hey Von, this week you managed to piss off your two greatest inspirations, as you stated on your show.

Jesus and Hal Turner.

Hal is loyal to his God before the NSM and your money and that's more admirable than you, Von, who profess to be such a Christian.

The NSM and a Satanic ministry (which apparently has children as members and writes about spells and sex tricks) SHARED a Post Office Box.

How does it feel to be part of the Synagogue of Satan, Von?

Or having the Chairman of your party's wife being a Satanic witch, literally. No, that's not good for the movement.

We don't see that as advancing our cause. Sorry. I'm no "asshole", Von. I think parts of what you have done so far this week have been admirable. You make a better Goebbels than Bill White, that's for sure.

I think most of you guys are good people. You have to act politically sometimes and less emotionally. Politically, you should have swept this whole thing under the rug. Bill White didn't, he got swept up in the "Joy of Satan" and he got reprimanded, by the same guy whose wife is a Satan worshipper.

Too bad you don't have decent leaders who can say, no, we will not share a PO Box with Satan Worshippers.

Reading the comments on that Tulsa blog I saw this:

Figuring it couldn't be true, I Googled the names and came up with
this from Stormfront:

So I did some more Googling and came up with:

And :

http://www.nsm88.com/units/oklahoma.html

[color="Red"]WTF!?!?!?!?!?!

And to think, this was the post that started it all!

Better watch out Jim, the mossad is gonna be after you soon for destroying a friend of Israel

Shit! Now I'm gettin' scared! But I guess a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do - go into training!

Me> Me in training>:box:

LOL! I see you brought your laptop with you to training camp.

What should now happen, given this ZOG-inspired effort against the NSM, and that's what it is my friends, is that Herrington, who is a, how do you say, "obvious weirdo" (before we even mention his wife), should leave the NSM. White should do the necessary bridge-building and Schoep should assert his authority as leader.

Anyone who cannot see this for the Jew-inspired effort it is is blind as well as stupid. Clearly there are certain undesirables within the movement as this reminds me and our group here of the Moebus situation where a supposedly saintlike William Pierce started to defend a man we wouldn't work with under any circumstances within the broader German movement.

Pierce messed up there, by his own deeds, and here the NSM has allowed themselves to get into a mess. The NSM, despite criticism from the Internet warriors, is making good progress, hence the jealousy and this latest attack. The National conservatives - Duke, Strom, et al - have all failed and will continue to fail. Only National Socialism in its open form, can work. And that must be the underlying message of this latest debacle. It is to be hoped that the NSM can sort this out but I think Herrington must go, and go quickly.

Nazism is what the white race needs so, by God, let's give the enemy Nazism!

What the SPLC, OPP and others fear is a united movement under NSM leadership, hence this latest problem.........

88! MW