i didnt that dumbfuck lier did ....of course then he said it was all about me WHATEVER just more bullshit he pulled outa his ass

Two-Bit,

Are you positive your old Navy ass(USNN) can cash the checks your mouth is writing?

Now who is grasping at straws? How the hell is a RIOT that destroys white peoples' property and puts them in harm's way a good thing?

That was the fault of the police, who decided to let the riot "burn out" on it's own. There were enough law enforcement there to handle the rioters. It's their fault they chose not to, not the NSM's. You know better than that, J.P.

One asks whether JP really knows anything about National Socialism. It is revolutionary and if a group chooses to try and use remaining elements of the jew system against itself, as per the NSM, then what is the problem with that?

What we seem to have here are supporters of something called "White Nationalism". I suggest to anyone here that that term is a contradiction in terms and I am not sure who suggested it in the first place but it sounds to me like another US national-conservative "cop out". To be pro-white you must be pro-white everywhere. That's what the socialist part of "National Socialist" means. We understand that. Why don't Americans, or have they watched a John Wayne movie too many?

Nationalism is pro-nation and the biggest enemy of the white race as it divides us into easy controlled nation states in hock to jewish financiers and the capitalist system. We are enemies of capitalism. "White Nationalism" is a joke term if you come to think about it. You are either pro-white, or, for example, pro-America, pro-German, pro-Italian. Unless we stop thinking about nation and start thinking about race I fear we are doomed.

Watering down ideology tends to water down practice. And this can clearly be seen by posters like JP and others here attacking the only group getting lots of headlines and providing a banner behind which whites can unite. I think it is pathetic that your greatest post-war leader's words and actions (Rockwell, again) are ignored by a new generation who thinks it knows better.

In Chicago and other cities in the 60s, when movement infrastructure was much less than now, the SWASTIKA was the banner behind which pissed off whites united. In the many places the NSM is operating and, I should say, picking up new units and members, the swastika probably provides the only real banner for white people to militate behind.

Rockwell, a great American, developed the ideology of White Power. And still, 40 years later, we have squabbles between national and neo-conservatives who would rather follow money-grabbing plastic surgery tailor's dummies who squander their supporters assets on gambling! Amazing! Fucking amazing. They seem to be more concerned about the cut of their suit and virtually non-existent "media image" than anything else and it is so clear that the US movement as evidenced by this message board is in an ideological and tactical MESS!

All they can do is shoot the messenger and the message of National Socialism. Let me tell you, friends, that you wouldn't last five seconds in Europe!

If you really love your race, Americans, even if you don't want to wear a uniform, you will get your stinking asses down to Orlando, or up to Olympia or Michigan to support the NSM. Call yourself a white man? Then ACT like a white man...

Time is short, comrades.

One asks whether JP really knows anything about National Socialism. It is revolutionary and if a group chooses to try and use remaining elements of the jew system against itself, as per the NSM, then what is the problem with that?

The first answer is, "obviously more than a lot of people here". NSM will not be elected ANYWHERE in the United States, period. I realize you are in Germany and there is the coalition system there but you know that is not how our system works. People are not going to vote for guys in pre-war Nazi uniforms. There is no debate here. You have an excuse because you live in Europe right now]
What we seem to have here are supporters of something called "White Nationalism". I suggest to anyone here that that term is a contradiction in terms and I am not sure who suggested it in the first place but it sounds to me like another US national-conservative "cop out". To be pro-white you must be pro-white everywhere. That's what the socialist part of "National Socialist" means. We understand that. Why don't Americans, or have they watched a John Wayne movie too many?

White Nationalism, as a broad term to mean all ideologies that seek to create racially-based Aryan nations- is fine. White Nationalism as a specific ideology as it is currently being defined by people like John Joy Tree, Don Black, and some others IS nothing but paleoconservatism. I have seen signs that they day is coming when "White Natioanalists"(those who follow this "ideology") will accept and embrace gays before Aryan Bosnian Muslims. Such is their cowardly nature that they would rather attack "Islam" than deal with racial issues.

Nationalism is pro-nation and the biggest enemy of the white race as it divides us into easy controlled nation states in hock to jewish financiers and the capitalist system. We are enemies of capitalism. "White Nationalism" is a joke term if you come to think about it. You are either pro-white, or, for example, pro-America, pro-German, pro-Italian. Unless we stop thinking about nation and start thinking about race I fear we are doomed.

Been noted before.

Watering down ideology tends to water down practice. And this can clearly be seen by posters like JP and others here attacking the only group getting lots of headlines and providing a banner behind which whites can unite. I think it is pathetic that your greatest post-war leader's words and actions (Rockwell, again) are ignored by a new generation who thinks it knows better.

Where have I advocated "watering-down" the ideology? I was just banned from Stormfront FOR THE SECOND TIME for demanding that we NOT "water-down" the ideology and take the path of least resistance. America is not 1930s Germany. Americans aren't going to elect Nazis. The American constitution stands in the way of most of their policy. That's it. You can write all you want about what Hitler did this time or that time but that's the way it is- they will not achieve, nor have they achieved, any significant political victory whatsoever, no matter how many headlines they receive. If you cause a big commotion, you will get attention, that's the way it works here.

In Chicago and other cities in the 60s, when movement infrastructure was much less than now, the SWASTIKA was the banner behind which pissed off whites united. In the many places the NSM is operating and, I should say, picking up new units and members, the swastika probably provides the only real banner for white people to militate behind.

And that led to....

Rockwell, a great American, developed the ideology of White Power. And still, 40 years later, we have squabbles between national and neo-conservatives who would rather follow money-grabbing plastic surgery tailor's dummies who squander their supporters assets on gambling! Amazing! Fucking amazing. They seem to be more concerned about the cut of their suit and virtually non-existent "media image" than anything else and it is so clear that the US movement as evidenced by this message board is in an ideological and tactical MESS!

Rockwell also let complete idiots join his organization because he trusted that the uniform and discipline would keep them in line. Till one of those idiots shot him.

All they can do is shoot the messenger and the message of National Socialism. Let me tell you, friends, that you wouldn't last five seconds in Europe!

NSM would not last 5 seconds in Europe. I've been to Europe, and oh shit! I happen to be moving there next MONTH! America, is not Europe, do you understand?

If you really love your race, Americans, even if you don't want to wear a uniform, you will get your stinking asses down to Orlando, or up to Olympia or Michigan to support the NSM. Call yourself a white man? Then ACT like a white man...

Time is short, comrades.

Time IS short, which is why we cannot waste time dicking around in the street with a bunch of chest-beaters with an inferiority complex. Everything they do contradicts the nature of National Socialism as espoused by Mukherji , Jordan, and Riis-Knudsen. They were all European.

Two-Bit,

Are you positive your old Navy ass(USNN) can cash the checks your mouth is writing?

What the fuck are you talking about dumbass I was never on your stupid little forum or a member of your uniform cult Now your just making yourself look stupid ..there are plenty of people who hate NSM and thier pedo leader.
To say it is because Im jelous or a former member Is the same as saying I secretly desire the very thing I say I hate the most ...... a very jewish tactic Are you a jew RoguePostman or just another stupid fucking NSM member?

I guess he doesn't see how masses of white people can't say, DAMN! Hmmm...maybe...good for them!

When these white men march through nigger neighborhoods and say ENOUGH! Even the soccer moms who voted for Bush, these "defense moms" get behind them. I've seen it.

Come to think of it you should 'move' to Europe. That way we never get to see you at any American rallies.

Cowards run and hide. I could go to Norway tomorrow and be free of niggers, for maybe a few years.

We are going to take back the greatest country in the history of the world, and the domino effect will hit all white lands.

When these white men march through nigger neighborhoods and say ENOUGH! Even the soccer moms who voted for Bush, these "defense moms" get behind them. I've seen it.

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When? , where? why do you NSM fucks keep making up these stories
(rhetorical question) you do it because your all fakes and with those made up uniforms no dif. then those Queers that dress up in leather ,just a fucking sub-culture Exsept in your cases your harming our cause

I guess he doesn't see how masses of white people can't say, DAMN! Hmmm...maybe...good for them!

When these white men march through nigger neighborhoods and say ENOUGH! Even the soccer moms who voted for Bush, these "defense moms" get behind them. I've seen it.

Come to think of it you should 'move' to Europe. That way we never get to see you at any American rallies.

Cowards run and hide. I could go to Norway tomorrow and be free of niggers, for maybe a few years.

We are going to take back the greatest country in the history of the world, and the domino effect will hit all white lands.

On that I agree... Besides, why in the hell would any sane WN want to leave to world's biggest nuclear superpower in the hands of a bunch of sociopathic Zionist Jews and their willing lackeys?

Anyway westernalliance i thought you were leaving to go over to stormfront like a Little bitch
thats what you were whining to that girl over at civil forum

The jew controls the media. We do not.

True, but this was not always the case. The Jews gained control of the levers of power over time. I don't suggest infiltration as a viable strategy for us however. I'm a firm believer in the idea of parallel institutions. Slowly but surely we are seeing more and more high quality media oriented efforts emerging. The October Sun Films "A Line in the Sand" is a perfect example. In my view that documentary has the potential to reach and persuade more people than all the years of NSM's stunts combined.

We are right to bring these hyper-critical people into question as to their motive for attacking fellow Whites instead of them being gracious and magnanimous by supporting them with kind words of encouragement.

Critique, not criticise. Granted, there's often a fine line between them but critique can be used as a positive feedback loop. I admit that in the case of the NSM I usually have a visceral negative reaction and respond with criticism. Their tactics raise all sorts of questions in my mind. Sometimes I wonder if it's a false flag organization filled with unwitting agents. You know, "the devil is the best thing the church ever had" and all that.

RE: krrpt

Critique, not criticise. Granted, there's often a fine line between them but critique can be used as a positive feedback loop. I admit that in the case of the NSM I usually have a visceral negative reaction and respond with criticism. Their tactics raise all sorts of questions in my mind. Sometimes I wonder if it's a false flag organization filled with unwitting agents. You know, "the devil is the best thing the church ever had" and all that.

Yes, we can wonder all we like about the motives of other White people, as well as we should. But publicly we should give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. It’s the White thing to do.

Because of the reality that we’ve all been raised in a jew controlled cesspool, our human relations skills toward one another have been eroded accordingly. For many, it takes a concerted effort to act magnanimous toward our fellow White instead of parroting a jew sitcom putdown snippet. When I read many of these anti-NSM posts I can only imagine that it’s Rosanne Barr typing those words.

Come to think of it you should 'move' to Europe. That way we never get to see you at any American rallies.

Cowards run and hide. I could go to Norway tomorrow and be free of niggers, for maybe a few years.

We are going to take back the greatest country in the history of the world, and the domino effect will hit all white lands.

Idiot, going to Europe isn't about running away; it's about recognizing where the more intelligent, politically inclined people are, and where change is more rapidly possible. If you want to march around in uniforms and actually SEE success, YOU ought to go to Europe- because in many European countries party uniforms may not still be the norm; but they are still commonplace.

All your posts smack of the same reoccuring theme inherent in almost EVERY post from NSM or pro-NSM people. It's always about "COURAGE" and "IN THEIR FACE!" and "COWARDS"! That bizarre NEED to be feared or impress others is why NSM is more about serving the egotistical needs of its members rather than actually winning at anything.

NSM's "plan", if you can call it that, reminds me of an old 4chan meme:

PLAN TO VICTORY!

1. March around in Nazi uniforms
2. ?????????
3. Political victory! America is OURS!!!!

And of course all the posts of their fans look something like this:

NSM Supporter: NSM IS OUT IN THE STREETS FIGHTING THE JEW AND IN THE TRENCHES UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS A COWARD WE ARE FIGHTING FOR VICTORY AND WE WILL LEAD A REVOLUTION IN AMERICA WITH OUR COURAGEOUS FIGHTING AND BATTLE JUST LIKE HITLER!!!1

Other person: How will you take power?

NSM: By winning federal elections!!!!

Political Primer:

Modern America:
Population is heavily mixed racially and ethnically
White population has little sense of identity
Holocaust propaganda- hatred toward anything related to the Third Reich
Rampant individualism- libertarianism
Materialism
Strong economy
Political/historical education level DANGEROUSLY LOW
Two-party system

Interwar Germany:
Population relatively homogenous, at least racially
Population had strong sense of identity, bitterness about losing a war due to national pride
No Holocaust
Social values- not so individualistic
Weak economy, failure of contemporary government apparent to all
Political/historical education very HIGH
Multi-party system
Uniforms and paramilitary organizations commonplace at the time

Political situations may change in America along these lines; but they will NEVER equalize. Modern America will NEVER be interwar Germany- so any attempt to EMULATE a party that succeeded in another country, in another time period, is folly. Now some of the tards out there are going to freak so let's put this in detail:

IT IS THE IDEOLOGY OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM THAT CAN BE EMULATED, WITH ADJUSTMENTS AS PRACTICAL, NOT THE NSDAP. THIS EXCLUDES ALL ACTIVITIES OF THE NSDAP THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, STILL PROVE PRACTICAL OR ARE OTHERWISE UNIVERSALLY SUCCESSFUL.

Once more for the slower folks.

IT IS THE IDEOLOGY OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM THAT CAN BE EMULATED, WITH ADJUSTMENTS AS PRACTICAL, NOT THE NSDAP. THIS EXCLUDES ALL ACTIVITIES OF THE NSDAP THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, STILL PROVE PRACTICAL OR ARE OTHERWISE UNIVERSALLY SUCCESSFUL.

What the fuck are you talking about dumbass I was never on your stupid little forum or a member of your uniform cult Now your just making yourself look stupid ..there are plenty of people who hate NSM and thier pedo leader.
To say it is because Im jelous or a former member Is the same as saying I secretly desire the very thing I say I hate the most ...... a very jewish tactic Are you a jew RoguePostman or just another stupid fucking NSM member?

Well, you strike me as a very fucked up and embittered person, so anything is possible I guess. Have you tried Prozac or Ritalin??

Idiot, going to Europe isn't about running away]

We look forward to you forming the "perfect" white nationalist organization in Europe, J.P. Please keep us posted, and pray tell bring your genius and success back to our shores, won't you??