You're partially right Jim, most White people don't give a flying fuck about the holocaust, but the governments of White countries care a whole lot about the holocaust, and are very submissive to the holocaust industry. We Whites as individuals might not care about the holocaust, but Whites as a complete body of work are under the boot of the holocaust. Modern day jew influence/power is built on the foundation of the holocaust.

I believe the holocaust has in part given the jews a strong ethnocentricity, something that whites as a whole lack.

I think less than ten percent of people are independent thinkers, the rest just follow whatever is "fashionable" (as Pierce would say). Many whites are as anti-white as jews or other non-whites. These same folks, if born in 1930's Germany, would be goose-stepping alongside the SS Troops. In other words the vast majority of folks are easily swayed by outside influences.

Look around. Whites don't give a shit about the holocaust. A year from now, whites will still not give a shit about the holocaust. They have got their own problems.

I have yet to run into one white person that has the holocaust even on the radar screen.

Go to the nearest university, they are everywhere!!!!

I think most of the people in the WN thingy are not typical, which is good in some resects but bad in others.

No doubt we're sharper than the average white yokels, but a lot of us are just too goddamned hypersensitive.

I haven't seen this porn that Alex posted, but if I did, I don't think it would bother me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with nudity, especially if the people are reasonably fit and at least not ugly. The human body, after all, at its best is perhaps the most beautiful of Nature's creations; but at its worst (old, diseased, obese, etc.) is probably the ugliest thing one can behold.

That said, the Jews use porn against us because we all have an instinctive attraction to human sexuality. The Jews just give us perverted sexuality: multi-racial, homosexual, etc. But they can do this because they have the whole business to themselves. It seems we're all too prudish and hung up on sex to see it for the healthy and beautiful thing it is. We give it to the Jew by default, and look how he enriches himself and uses it against us.

But we could put out positive porn for young white adults, and it would be a good thing, a great way to get a powerful racial message across. What could be better than showing two healthy young white people engaged in normal healthy sex, mixed in with images of beautiful pregnant white women and beautiful white babies? What I'm imagining is really alien to what passes for Jewish-inspired porn as we know it today. It's more like some of the tasteful nude paintings and sculpture that was created during the Nazi era in Germany, or during the Rennaissance, or from classical Rome or Greece. Just throw in a bit more of the X-rated action and the resulting swollen bellies. Don't run it on a website that is a serious racial activist or political website. Keep it totally seperate. It would work. And make money.

I actually think a porn site that specialized in racially positive white "porn" would be a huge success.

Granted, it wouldn't get the approval of Baptists and Pentacostals, etc., but these people are at best misguided and at worst profoundly confused degenerates. But I'm sure the Christians with good healthy instincts would find it irresistable.

It would be a wonderful and positive way to put our message across.

Just the opposite of showing a nigger fucking a white girl.

I haven't seen that pic, but I've always found such images revolting; however, I wouldn't condemn Alex for using it as a propaganda technique anymore than I condemn some racial activists for trying to promote racially healthy pro-white versions of Chrisitanity.

Different propaganda works for different audiences.

Let it go at that. You don't have to personally agree with every message or technique yourself. For example, I have great respect for Ed Fields despite the fact that he tries to reach average whites who are nominally Christian.

I'm afraid that Will Williams is too obsessed with WN orthodoxy. I know him well, and he is a personal friend. We've even had our own spats over propaganda lines. But as I've gotten older (and I hope wiser) I've also become more laid back and open-minded when it comes to racial comrades. Let's face it: intelligent people are going to find points and issues that they don't exactly agree on. You have to expect that among exceptional people. It can't be avoided! But it's not a big deal, certainly nothing to get worked up about and fight and feud over. If the activist is sincere and making an effort, don't shoot the guy over tactical issues or break ranks. Anybody who does that becomes a problem.

Glenn Miller has been so successful as a pro-white activist because he has always been open minded when it comes to the beliefs of other white activists. His White Patriot Party attracted hardcore Nazis, hardcore Christian Identity believers, Old South racists and kluckers, and just racially concious white conservatives. And everybody seemed to get along amazingly well and cooperate.

Glenn is very wise, very tolerant and understands people. That makes him effective against the enemy. And he always remembers who the real enemy is: the fucking Jew!

Learn from Glenn.

Go after the Jew, but make certain you've also destroyed every white liberal/leftist on the planet as well, for they, unlike the Jew, truly love niggers and spics and chinks. Without their extinction as well, multiculturalism will never die. And they will never become extinct unless we shed their blood as deep and as wide as the Nile.

Look around. Whites don't give a shit about the holocaust. A year from now, whites will still not give a shit about the holocaust. They have got their own problems.

I have yet to run into one white person that has the holocaust even on the radar screen.

You're not getting it, jim. You're not understanding how this shit works. Did you read the link that I posted??? I didn't think so. Holohoax brainwashing works the same way as advertising: repetition. It's a science. It works best when the target audience isn't aware that it being done to them. Many Whites seem not to give a shit about the holohoax but they give a shit just enough to believe it, and by doing that they help the kikes.

I think most of the people in the WN thingy are not typical, which is good in some resects but bad in others.

No doubt we're sharper than the average white yokels, but a lot of us are just too goddamned hypersensitive.

I haven't seen this porn that Alex posted, but if I did, I don't think it would bother me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with nudity, especially if the people are reasonably fit and at least not ugly. The human body, after all, at its best is perhaps the most beautiful of Nature's creations]

I don't think porn has a place as a recruiting tool. Good old-fashioned romance would work much better, I think. Look at the way women read those romance novels, if you look at the covers they are almost all White couples. Yeah, they get spicy but they leave a lot to the imagination-what intelligent person wants to read, "Then I thrust my throbbing rod into her blah, blah blah..."I think White people are naturally above hard-core porn as a normal part of culture, it is much more indicative of a higher culture to leave the base details out.
The photo you didn't see was a graphic interracial shot, as graphic as it gets. I understand Alex's intent but he could have gotten a much better result if he blanked out the key areas or just showed enough to get the message across.
Good points on striving for unity. There are many flavors of WNs and the constant bickering is bad enough but malice and ridicule between WNs should not be tolerated.

 

To evilisgood:

Valid observations regarding porn. Yeah, it's something that men find more interesting than women do. But then, we don't recruit many women into this struggle as activists.

I think if you just had a porn site (hard, soft, whatever) that only showed whites, you would get a lot of traffic. No normal white guy wants to look at pics of nigs banging white sluts.

But let's face it. A lot of white men, young and old, do look at porn. It would be very easy to present it in a normal and healthy way. I think whites are naturally into sex and nudity. Just look at the attitudes that white Europeans have regarding nudity. Whites naturally like to glory in their bodies. If they aren't wacked out on Jesus, sex is something that is almost always on their minds. Especially during their teens, 20s, 30s and 40s. This is the way Nature made us to insure that we reproduce.

I maintain that to be hung up on sex or nudity is unnatural. It's a carry over from the influence of conservative-Christian thinking, which is a worldview that leads straight to extinction for whites who practice it. So basically, all those whites on VNN who are opposed to nudity or graphic sex still have a streak of degeneracy in them. Their spirits are still gripped by the old order of things. They aren't true nazis, neo-pagans, real biological white racists. Their ideas regarding sex have something in common with homosexuals: both are unnatural, unhealthy and lead to sterility and death.

Really, what is wrong with the image of a strong and healthy young white man laying it to a beautiful young white woman? Only in this image will we find our salvation as a race. What is wrong with seeing the image of a beutiful naked and pregnant white woman? This is one of the most glorious thigs you can look at, especially if you know it was a white man who filled her womb.

The Jews used sex and nudity to break down the old conservative white Christian order 40 years ago because they knew that sex and nudity are irresistable images to healthy young white people. We can use the same stuff to rebuild our race.

You know, I go to white racial gatherings, and usually I'm one of the only men there who is married and has children. The rest of the guys look and act like a bunch of nerds who ain't had pussy since pussy had them. We attract far too many sexually dysfunctional men into our ranks. If a white man doesn't have the drive to get him a woman and produce some children, he's a fucking degenerate loser... I don't care what kind of excuse he offers. Maybe if we start using some healthy porn we can attract some real men into our movement.

The Hollywood Jews have a saying they used to build their empire upon. It was valid 70 years ago and its still valid today:

SEX SELLS!

You can sell anything with sex

If so-called white racialists are too uptight and degenerate to realize this truth, then they are morons who will never lead.

You know, I go to white racial gatherings, and usually I'm one of the only men there who is married and has children. The rest of the guys look and act like a bunch of nerds who ain't had pussy since pussy had them. We attract far too many sexually dysfunctional men into our ranks. If a white man doesn't have the drive to get him a woman and produce some children, he's a fucking degenerate loser... I don't care what kind of excuse he offers. Maybe if we start using some healthy porn we can attract some real men into our movement.

If so-called white racialists are too uptight and degenerate to realize this truth, then they are morons who will never lead.

I don't know how many are sexually dysfunctional, I think it has more to do with the fact us WNs are on a different frequency from the rest of the brainwashed masses so its hard to resonate with them. And since our dire situation is foremost in our minds, WNs can come across as a little scary to those who don't want such seriousness to interfere with their fun and games.

Most of the people I know co-workers and acquaintances, WNs among them, seem to try to outdo each other in regards to their sexual attitudes emailing each other XXX photos, drooling over explicit lesbian, threesome sex, etc. I was surprised to hear this family type guy who doesn't even curse, slobbering all over himself telling me about this anal sex dvd!!!

All the WNs I know have what I would call healthy sex attitudes, they like it and they're out there trying to get it.

I don't think porn can be presented in the way you suggest. Would you want to see the love scene from Gone With The Wind morph into Clark Gable pounding Audrey Hepburn with hairy balls, assholes and bodily fluids flying all over the place? The minute that occurs on the screen, the romance is gone and it would look like any other porn flick. I think the result you seek is best attained by leaving something to the imagination.

Would you want to see the love scene from Gone With The Wind morph into Clark Gable pounding Audrey Hepburn with hairy balls, assholes and bodily fluids flying all over the place?

Clark Gable would of been pounding Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind.

The entire conversation on this thread is said as if the jew hasn't had a hand in distorting the sexual attitude of our folk. Let me help clear that up.

It's the jew! The filthy fucking jew that has come between White men and White women and inserted it's warped and perverted views on sex upon us.

All that was pure and beautiful in the natural attraction of men and women has been twisted into a monstrosity of diseased and disgusting filth.

The jew replaces the exquisite and demure woman with a beast with a strap-on and vibrating butt plug. This is an ultimate horror of humanity. I would kill them all as easily as stepping on an ant. The loss of that wondrous and wholesome thing that nature has created for our enjoyment should make any thinking White person hate the jew with an intensity that knows no bounds.

But let's face it. A lot of white men, young and old, do look at porn. It would be very easy to present it in a normal and healthy way. I think whites are naturally into sex and nudity. Just look at the attitudes that white Europeans have regarding nudity. Whites naturally like to glory in their bodies. If they aren't wacked out on Jesus, sex is something that is almost always on their minds. Especially during their teens, 20s, 30s and 40s. This is the way Nature made us to insure that we reproduce.

Nature also provided us an appetite to ensure that we do not starve to death. That doesn't mean we should constantly try to eat as much food as we are able to stuff down our throats. We are animals yes, but we also have reason. The White race, more than any other race, evolved reason not only to solve the various practical problems that it faced while trying to survive in a harsh environment, but also to keep its instinctual urges in check, in order to achieve something higher. You can call that being "wacked out on Jesus" if you like]modern people who are as "wacked out"--wacked out by the inescapable, stunningly vulgar, irrationalist, materialist-reductionist, oversexualization of our culture. This oversexualization is heavily promoted by the Jews working in the entertainment industry for reasons (other than money) that ought to be easy to see (though apparently aren't for a lot of WNs). Namely: To abandon all reason for the sake of indulging our instinctual urges without limit brings us to the same level as the common negro, both individually and collectively.

I maintain that to be hung up on sex or nudity is unnatural. It's a carry over from the influence of conservative-Christian thinking, which is a worldview that leads straight to extinction for whites who practice it. So basically, all those whites on VNN who are opposed to nudity or graphic sex still have a streak of degeneracy in them. Their spirits are still gripped by the old order of things. They aren't true nazis, neo-pagans, real biological white racists. Their ideas regarding sex have something in common with homosexuals: both are unnatural, unhealthy and lead to sterility and death.

There is absolutely no need to stare at nudity or graphical porn to reproduce. Among physically healthy people, sex occurs almost invariably in a situation of emotional commitment (needed by the female) and physical proximity (all that the male needs). Furthermore, relatively little sex is actually required to produce babies. Fuck once a day during the week before the woman's monthly period and a pregnancy will generally occur. It's really not more complicated or problematic than that: all you need is healthy people]fools come up with the idea that Whites are going extinct because they are discouraged from having enough sex? Whites are encouraged to have sex like never before in history. The problem is not that Whites are suffering residual Christian hangups over sex, the problem is that, corrupted by your judeo-libertine-feminist allies, they are having sex for the purposes of recreation, and not for family. Porn does not help promote the birthrate, because although porn definitely increases the sexual urge, the sexual act itself has been completely unhinged from reproduction, children and family loyalty. In fact, porn effectively decreases the birthrate by making it convenient for young men to relieve themselves in a kleenex instead of dealing with the trouble of seeking a real female companion.

Hence, comparing the porn opponents to homosexuals is completely beyond my comprehension. It ought to be clear that it's this freakish type of modernist, sexually libertine, porn-relishing "neo-pagan" that we are discussing who so closely resembles the homosexual, not the type who maintains some residual "conservative christian" morals. Neither homos nor libertines are big on having kids, unlike say, mormons or traditional catholics. Homos and libertines are both quite fond of porn, and both are eager to unhitch sex from teleology. In "neo-pagan" sex, reproduction is deliberately halted by abortion or contraception; in the faggot, reproduction is obviously never an issue.

Clark Gable would of been pounding Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind.

And Vivien Leigh in real life was a nymphomaniac.

Clark Gable would of been pounding Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind.

That's the one. As long as he wouldn't have been pounding Butterfly McQueen or Aunt Jemina or Angelfood McSpade or whoever those negresses were.

I'd say that Mike and Brutus are saying the same things I am:

1. The Jews have perverted normal sex. We call this "porn".

2. "Porn" degrades women and sex and leads to fewer children and families.

And I further maintain that the Jews have been able to do this because so-called Christian morality (which was also given to us by the Jews) makes nudity and sex out to be something "dirty" and immoral. As a result "decent" and "right-thinking" whites claim they want nothing to do with nudity and sex (when actually, their natural instincts urge them to be very interested in these normal and healthy parts of life). As a result, the Jews get control of the "porn" industry by default, just as they took control of the film industry pretty much by default because "decent" Christian people saw the stage and films as being sinful and of the devil. So the Jew has had the freedom to give us poisoned "porn" with no white competition.

My point is that we should not be too timid or hung up (from the influence of Christian morality) to use the powerful lure of sex and nudity in a positive way. What I am imaginining shouldn't even be called "porn" in the sense that you guys think of. I'm not at all addicted to the kind of Jewish "porn" you guys describe. I've never e-mailed a nude or X-rated picture to anyone. And I cannot imagine any man with healthy instincts being turned on by anal sex -- even with a woman. I don't like to look at pictures of anal sex. And although I've slept with dozens of women, I've never poked any of them in the bung hole. It seems like a gross and unnatural act. I don't really enjoy oral sex a whole lot for that matter. Maybe I've just never met a woman who really knew how to do it. But I do love blowing my load inside a woman's vagina.

I saw a recent poll here on VNN forum, and I fall into that small, less-than ten percent group who is married with three or more children. So I must be doing something right.

Regarding higher art forms, I agree that I wouldn't mix images of hardcore X-rated sex in a historical film with lots of romance mixed in. Certainly we don't want to look at graphic sex all the time. But there is a time and place for this kind of thing, and if it's handled intelligently it could become a very powerful and useful tool for us.

And don't overestimate women. They are a lot more interested in sex than a lot of white men realize. That's one of the reasons some of them fuck niggers. They know niggers are brute animals and will give them all the sex they can handle and more. If white men are a little too refined and high-minded too much of the time, they shouldn't be surprised if their horny women are off banging niggers.

At any rate, we need to admit that we are sexual creatures with physical bodies and sexual appetites. Those who deny this or seek to repress it are degenerates who probably won't pass their genes along.

I am aware that more intelligent and otherwise highly evolved humans tend to be less sex-driven than lower humans. But some of it comes from being brainwashed with false religions and morality systems. Like the ancient Greeks and other white pagans, we need to glory in our bodies and in normal sex. We need to reproduce prolifically. Something is wrong when whites have fewer children on average than the other races. It was not always so! And something is even more wrong when the most intelligent whites have fewer children than average and below-average whites. And the most incredible wrong is that racially conscious whites who fully understand a biological worldview seem to have the fewest children of all.

How do we explain this as racially conscious whites?

We attract too many men who are obsessed with gaining political and social power over their fellow whites, but who are also incredibly inept at realizing these obsessions. Instead of thinking so much about getting power in when we are so few and weak, white racialists should spend a lot more time and energy making lots of babies. We should be having twice as many children as Mormons do. We should be known as stud white guys who father many children. This is something we can do, something we can accomplish as individuals and as a group: produce a lot of high-quality children. (Talk about your propaganda of the deed!) There are actually many white women who want to have children. They should know that if they get a racially conscious white man they will get all the sex and all the babies they want. Then they won't need to seek out niggers.

Yet, most racially conscious white men are wifeless, childless nerds and losers who probably spend much of their free time jacking off to Jewish internet porn.

Something is very wrong with our movement. We're attracting the wrong kind of men.

The type of sexual propaganda I imagine would always strive to link the sex act with procreation. Far too many white men today want lots of sex but want no sons or daughters. We can and should use sexual propaganda to change this.
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I am aware that more intelligent and otherwise highly evolved humans tend to be less sex-driven than lower humans. But some of it comes from being brainwashed with false religions and morality systems. Like the ancient Greeks and other white pagans, we need to glory in our bodies and in normal sex. We need to reproduce prolifically. Something is wrong when whites have fewer children on average than the other races. It was not always so! And something is even more wrong when the most intelligent whites have fewer children than average and below-average whites. And the most incredible wrong is that racially conscious whites who fully understand a biological worldview seem to have the fewest children of all..

Great post, many good points.

I will point out that Michael Bradley once proved (to me at least) that genius is dysgenic, a frustrating problem. Especially to a racial nationalist. Nicola Tesla and Alberto Santos-Dumont, for example, were two white geniuses beyond any doubt and they were total asexuals. As Bradley pointed out, they lived so intensely to create a future that they totally skipped the present.

Our race produces people like this, like it or not. So we actually have to be more pro-natalist than other races, as you point out. Just to stay even. I was on a Christian chat line long ago and a preacher, frustrated with low white birth rates, actually said that if porn would help we should not hesitate to bring it on (I assume he was meaning the affirming sort; him being a preacher he may have been referring to simple nudity.)

The other frisson your post produced in me involves Ernst Zundel. Way back on one of Israel Shamir's posts, a piece on Zundel produced a story I consider both eerie and appropriate to WN's unfortunate present.

Zundel once stated that his love for Hitler stemmed from his mother telling him once that had Hitler not come to power, he, Ernst, would not have been born. The economic uncertainty of the Wiemer years probably produced proportionally as many abortions and as much "unproductive" sex as America is producing now. Zundel claimed this as his basic motivation. He was right about that. Motives get no more basic than that.

Whites are sensitive, more than any other race, and if economic uncertainty or degradation of opportunities arise in too great a profusion, Whites will massively cut back their fecundity. For a couple decades after the Hungarian Revolution, the Hungarian birth rate was the lowest in the industrialized world. The circumstances were too grim for awhile and they simply did not reproduce in great numbers.

Likewise White America at present, like Wiemer, like post-revolutionary Hungary, is going through a period of profound uncertainty. Millions of decent jobs lost by Bush along with millions of third worlders sluiced into the country are costing our kinsmen their confidence in the future, without which we won't have much of one.

Simply, we need to get our balls back fast. Metaphorically or otherwise, the constant pounding Whites are getting -- Guilt, "multiculturalism", total fragmentation of formerly strong communities -- is killing us as surely as the Black Plague would have.

Under the circumstances, trying to counter Jewish porn with healthy and effective sexuality makes huge sense. Whites have a distinct disadvantage in this to begin with, as noted. We are the creative race, the more sensitive race, and we can be knocked out of equilibrium far easier than the others.