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Geoff Beck
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Given circumstances where Aryans again assume control over the soil and government in which they live, and this new nation is remade to serve the interests of Aryans and wholly excludes non-Aryans, would you prefer an economic system which

gravitates toward the Libertarian model: unregulated competition, small government, few if any taxes, and etc...

or

gravitates toward a Socialist model: income redistribution, socialized medicine, and technocratic planning, and etc...


A White World (Pierce's Vision for our Race):
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/library/video/pierce,william/whiteworld.wmv

 
Posted : 04/12/2006 1:23 pm
brutus
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I voted for the third option, however:

I would probably tend to lean toward a more socialist model for the time period immediately following the revolution. And that is because most Whites would still have some of the jew’s greed ethic when it comes to business orientation. That residual greed would have to be controlled. Once the masses were realigned with our natural Aryan tendencies, then we could adopt a more libertarian economic position.


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Posted : 04/12/2006 1:47 pm
SUNOFSPARTA
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This seems like real advanced thinking and planing,given the fact that White Nationalist or Aryans can't even determine who is what and where we should be headed.

It's almost comparable,to me anyway,to the Pilgrims discussing Space travel en route to the new world.

We have yet to even start to even considering how to tentatively begin.

For arguments sake,I'd say almost any type of Government would work with REAL White Nationalist in charge.Mainly because nonwhites would be eliminated or severely suppressed giving White people unthought of economic opportunities not known for nearly a century.

Without the exhausting heavy weight of multi millions of nonwhites to support,almost any white government will rise to a point of absolute world wide economic domination again;that's exactly WHY nonwhites will fight till the death to prevent it..


 
Posted : 04/12/2006 2:06 pm
James Hawthorne
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gravitates toward a Socialist model: income redistribution, socialized medicine, and technocratic planning, and etc...

As America has a strong Libertarian streak. Alex made some valid points on FTL Monday Dec 4th, 2006. with the American system, no waiting lists, immediate health assistance, thats the advantage of the US system, as it stands in the 'Kwa today.

A true White Nationalist system would be like in the above quote. It would be, to para-phrase, the 'Socialist' to a Racial Socialist system, which puts the race first, income redistribution, indeed White social medicine for the benefit of the race, and of course technocratic planning. Once all this was put into effect, you would not have waiting lists in the medical field. Indeed you would have a more moral, fit, and healthy people, which would not put the pressures on the medical system, as we see today.


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Posted : 04/12/2006 8:00 pm
Australianrage
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I wish to offer another economic model: National Socialism.
It is quite different to the Marxist socialism with which the unfortunate inhabitants of Britain, Australia and New Zealand will be familiar.
National Socialism works, yet also encourages private enterprise, hard work and thrift and encourages people to better themselves.
I vote for National Socialism.


If by the instrument of governmental power, a people is led towards its destruction, then rebellion is not only the right of every member of such a people . . . it is his duty. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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Posted : 04/12/2006 8:34 pm
 alex
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I voted for Socialism for obvious reasons. The greedy system called capitalism got us where we are here anyway.


In the age of Globalization,its not the international Left,but the nationalist Right,which is the true anticapitalist force,which will set restrictions on the international Capital and will secure and improve the nation-state as a social shelter.

 
Posted : 04/12/2006 11:12 pm
wpower1488
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Don't give a shit about politics. Just kick the god damned jews niggers spics and all mystery meat monsters out of our White lands, and let us live in peace, for christinsanity's sake!


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The woman must obey, and find a depth for her surface.
Woman's soul is all surface, a mobile, stormy film on shallow water.
Man's soul, however, is deep, its torrent thunders in subterranean caverns:
woman feels his strength, but does not understand it.
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Posted : 05/12/2006 12:24 am
Geoff Beck
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I wish to offer another economic model: National Socialism.
It is quite different to the Marxist socialism with which the unfortunate inhabitants of Britain, Australia and New Zealand will be familiar.
National Socialism works, yet also encourages private enterprise, hard work and thrift and encourages people to better themselves.
I vote for National Socialism.

Since the context of the poll is purely White Nationalist, you can say the choices are, in effect:

National Libertarism
or
National Socialism


A White World (Pierce's Vision for our Race):
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/library/video/pierce,william/whiteworld.wmv

 
Posted : 05/12/2006 6:44 am
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Since the context of the poll is purely White Nationalist, you can say the choices are, in effect:

National Libertarism
or
National Socialism

Or to be exact,

National Capitalism
or
National Socialism


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 7:31 am
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"Welcome to the new White paradise. NOW GIVE US ALL YOUR MONEY!"

Yeah, Americans, who are used to relative economic freedom, will not accept the chains of socialism. They might be up for having partially subsidized medicine, but I highly doubt you're going to be making any major changes to the economic system. Any major shift away from economic freedom and choice in America will result in a revolution, period.

If you think YOU get pissed off about racial matters, just wait until you pull the plug on the sheeple's big screens and hummers, under the guise of better government. You'll have the proles out in the streets, armed and organized by the corporations.

Why should Whites trade a repressive system that quashes free speech (the sheep don't even care about OUR free speech anyways), goes to war over the drop of a hat, and monitors them closely financially and does everything it can to suck them dry for a government which takes just as much money, and oh BTW probably isn't too popular on the world stage due to myriad "human rights violations" due to cleaning house? YOU NEED TO OFFER THE PEOPLE A BETTER LIFE if they are to go along with this. LESS CONTROL is the only way to do this, because we've seen what happens when you promise the sheep milk and honey. They get taxed to death.

Look towards history, folks. Hitler had to get in good with big business and the Army to succeed. I don't think WN's in America will have to lick either's boots, but you're sure as hell not going to come and threaten big business and expect to be successful!

Just leave people alone. That's what America was all about when we were founded. Let people spend their money how they choose.

All this talk of big government makes me think the WN movement in America hasn't a chance in hell, even if most or ALL of Europe went over to a WN model. Essentially, you would risk setting most people who give a shit about politics that you haven't killed off during your revolution or the recovery from whatever calamity predicated it (because it's mainly radical lefties that oppose racialism anyways) against you, as well as probably a full HALF of whomever participated on your side, simply because you want to institute your Communist paradise. Really smart. If the REAL commies in this country can't do it with their tremendous resources, what makes you think you can pull off a Whites only version?

It's BIG GOVERNMENT that has fucked us, along with a softening of our people. BIG GOVERNMENT rammed "civil rights" down our throats, BIG GOVERNMENT invaded half of what was then the country in order to establish itself as a permanent force. Capitalism isn't the problem either, at least not on the supply side. It's CONSUMERISM that has killed us off. People would rather have their football and beer than give two shits about the future of their people. The only thing that will cure that is educating the children on the proper way to live, either through the families (another institution which has declined in America) or through the schools, and by eliminating the foreign influences which have given our people the idea that everything revolves around money.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 9:40 am
Prussian Eagle
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Libertarianism, with a few qualifiers.

Basic services such as police, fire, and bare bones emergency medical service.
Basic infrastructure such as roads, public transit and electrical wires.
Public schools would be good with a WN government, provided on up through the graduate level, though only for useful/practical courses of study, and would include skilled trades vocational training. Advancing beyond certain levels would require passing tests, and education would have to be completed within the set time period (if you fail classes, you retake them on your own dime).
Confiscatory inheritance tax to pay for this and prevent an oligarchy from developing
Income tax with generous child allowance to encourage high income people to have more kids, and no other assistance to children to discourage morons, slackers and single women from having kids; and to discourage mothers from getting divorced and leaving the father.
Maybe some sort of limited unemployment benefits, nothing for longer than 1 year though.
Absolutely NO state retirement system, so as to encourage people to have children
Absolutely NO state long-term health care system, the healthy should not be stuck with taking care of the weak. A productive person who has worked and saved over his lifetime, or someone who has bred another generation of white children will be taken care of by their savings or children.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 1:08 pm
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We don't need more children. The White countries would still be unsustainable if we only had Whites in them.

And tax credits for rich people who have kids? If they're not inclined to have kids, as many wealthy people in White society have been portrayed, than a TAX CREDIT isn't going to make them want to reproduce, as they can probably afford to house and feed as many kids as they feel like anyways. Hell, ELIMINATING the child tax credit might do something to weed out the unproductive.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 6:45 pm
Dietrich
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Or to be exact,

National Capitalism
or
National Socialism

Apples/Oranges. Capitalism isn't a system, per se. It's what people do when they're left alone. Socialism is a system, and it's ultimately enforced at gun-point.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 7:56 pm
Alex Linder
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Tiny government that defends the coasts, and that's it. Government sucks at everything else. Unfortunately, whites are so sheeplish that even with a WN government, the tendency of the rulers will be to expand their power by shearing sheep. But that's a problem that is insoluble, each generation much fight govt's natural expansion. Our problem is to get rid of racial enemies so that they can never again threaten us.

What we see here is economic ignorance on the part of posters who have never run a businness and think that price and economic laws are whims that can be changed, or that all socialism needs is the right people to make it work. Nope, doesn't work like that.

Keep taxes low or nonexistent, let the genius of the people flower. Let people reap the rewards of their brilliance. The morons can shut up and enjoy the usufructs. No equality, not even among whites. But, anybody who tries to make profits by endangering the people racially or morally (child molesting) soon dangles. Public executions of race traitors and proven deviants on PBS, with money used in ads subtracted from taxes.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 8:07 pm
Alex Linder
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We want to create a society in which taxes are low enough that an average White man can support his family with a simple service job. Think what a pleasant society that would be. It is possible because it has existed in times and places.


 
Posted : 05/12/2006 8:10 pm
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