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I-KIRJAIN maltillinen foorumi. I-KIRJAIN hankkia avara kalu. Munanvalkuainen herra herättää ja yhdistää vastaan Juutalaiset!

Yes, I support Chechens in their war. I have no problems with Turks or Azeris if they stay in their own countries. And just for info to you that Russia has always been lackey of jews. Communism=judeo-russian co-operation!

I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.

The Proud Servant of the Tsar, Marshal Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim.

I respect what he did 1918 and in Winter War, but otherwise he is not my hero at all.

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I-KIRJAIN maltillinen foorumi. I-KIRJAIN hankkia avara kalu. Munanvalkuainen herra herättää ja yhdistää vastaan Juutalaiset!

I-letter moderate forum. I-letter gets large dick. Egg white lord wakes and unites against jews!

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I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.

Your finnish mongol friend is full of el s.hitski. And I completely disagree with you. Chechnya is Russia. Now they were given autonomy already, but they couldn't handle it and they weren't satisfied with it, just like ALL islamic expansionists. And I will tell you that most of those fighting against Russians are not even Chechens but islamic expansionists mainly from turkey. And I find it interesting that garbage like this guy all support that garbage. They went on to invade Dagestan and one of their leaders even admitted that their ultimate aim is to take the entire Caucasus. So the hell with that and you should not be supporting islamic expansionism into the heart of the great Russian nation.

That is the jew/islamic expansionist agenda.

I respect what he did 1918 and in Winter War, but otherwise he is not my hero at all.

Obviously he could tell the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union. You however, cannot.

Your finnish mongol friend is full of el s.hitski. And I completely disagree with you. Chechnya is Russia. Now they were given autonomy already, but they couldn't handle it and they weren't satisfied with it, just like ALL islamic expansionists. And I will tell you that most of those fighting against Russians are not even Chechens but islamic expansionists mainly from turkey. And I find it interesting that garbage like this guy all support that garbage. They went on to invade Dagestan and one of their leaders even admitted that their ultimate aim is to take the entire Caucasus. So the hell with that and you should not be supporting islamic expansionism into the heart of the great Russian nation.

That is the jew/islamic expansionist agenda.

So what? Let them have it.It may come as a shock to you,but: to hell with the muslim-dominated Caucasus! The Russian people would be better off without these muslim dominated regions anyway.I'm not supporting an islamistic expansion agenda.This "muslim" problem of Russia is homemade.They didnt open the borders and millions of muslims swarmed in,they rather conquered these muslim regions and are since then stuck with its muslim population.As far as i know these "Caucasians" dont see themselves as "ethnic Russians" and the Russians too dont see them that way.Indeed the mainstream Russian doesnt even consider these "Caucasian" people as white.Why not give independence to regions were more than 50% of these "caucasians" live?The rest can be regulated through population-exchanges (the remaining "caucasians" out from Russia,and the remaining Russians out of the Caucasus into Russia),with the option of reperations for lost property etc.That sounds fair to me.And voala! No more "muslim" problem in Russia.Instead of spending billions on the armed forces trying to control these "caucasians" and sacrificing the life of Russian soldiers,the new "pure" Russia can spend these dynamics into repopulating Siberia with pure Russian genetic stock.I dont see how there cant be a peaceful co-existance between Russia and the independent "caucasian" state based on mutual understanding and trade partnerships.

Now i know that you as an Armenian are scared.Its ok,i understand your fears.Tiny Armenia surounded by "evil" muslim states.But here too a peaceful co-existance is possible.Why spending millions upon millions on armed forces when this money can be used for the betterment of the quality of life in these regions,including Armenia.Is a life,living in fear really worth it?

So what? Let them have it.It may come as a shock to you,but: to hell with the muslim-dominated Caucasus! The Russian people would be better off without these muslim dominated regions anyway.I'm not supporting an islamistic expansion agenda.This "muslim" problem of Russia is homemade.They didnt open the borders and millions of muslims swarmed in,they rather conquered these muslim regions and are since then stuck with its muslim population.As far as i know these "Caucasians" dont see themselves as "ethnic Russians" and the Russians too dont see them that way.Indeed the mainstream Russian doesnt even consider these "Caucasian" people as white.Why not give independence to regions were more than 50% of these "caucasians" live?The rest can be regulated through population-exchanges (the remaining "caucasians" out from Russia,and the remaining Russians out of the Caucasus into Russia),with the option of reperations for lost property etc.That sounds fair to me.And voala! No more "muslim" problem in Russia.Instead of spending billions on the armed forces trying to control these "caucasians" and sacrificing the life of Russian soldiers,the new "pure" Russia can spend these dynamics into repopulating Siberia with pure Russian genetic stock.I dont see how there cant be a peaceful co-existance between Russia and the independent "caucasian" state based on mutual understanding and trade partnerships.

Now i know that you as an Armenian are scared.Its ok,i understand your fears.Tiny Armenia surounded by "evil" muslim states.But here too a peaceful co-existance is possible.Why spending millions upon millions on armed forces when this money can be used for the betterment of the quality of life in these regions,including Armenia.Is a life,living in fear really worth it?

Good words Alex. :cheers:

Are you German? If yes, then I don't wonder why we can agree atleast about something.

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Ha, that was an interesting experiment. Thanks.

 

Good words Alex. :cheers:

Are you German? If yes, then I don't wonder why we can agree atleast about something.

Yes i am German.Well i think that friendship and peaceful co-existance is possible with all kinds of nations as long as these and their populations respect eachothers borders.I do imagine,for example, that even some kind of peaceful co-existance with the black race is possible as long of course as they stay in Africa and out of the white mans land.I do try to see the problem from every possible angle.I try to see it as a Russian,as a Finnish nationalist,as an Armenian and of course as a German NS.I'm not ignorant of the issues and the problems such solutions bring and i understand the fears some have.The hurt pride of the Russian seeing the loss of some of the "empire's" territory,the fear of the small christian armenian-state which feels sorounded only by enemies,namely muslim nations, etc.
I know of these things and i understand them.

(Maybe Germans should rule over the world.There would be less conflicts and more prosperity for all kinds of people Just joking)

Finns? Ah, those guys who travel to Sankt Petersburg to get freakingly drunk. Their glassy eyes and red faces are easily recognizable.
well, I still repect Finland for fighting against Soviet invasion. As wel I respect the Armenians from Armenia - They are christians and the quite intelligent people. Sure, some are trash and criminals but we can say that about any nationality.

Russian land included Alaska while ago. Siberia rightfully belongs to the Russians. Buryats, Komi and bunch of the other nationalities most likely would be extinct by now if not the Russians. BTW, I never heard about any racial violence between them and the Russians. They live in peace side by side by centuries, and will continue the same way, no matter what some gilgameshes have to say.

If to follow gilgamesh' logic, America should belong to Indians, Australia and NZ to aborigens and so on. They could have lived on the land but the states were created by the white people.

I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.

It's more complicated than Chechens vs Russians. Chechens don't want just Chechnya they want all the Muslim provinces in Russia, such as Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. They then want to form a large united Muslim state. For obvious reasons this can not be tolerated on the Russian border.

Also there are many ethnic groups who consider themselves Russian and speak only the Russian language, but are not racially Slavic, these are the North and South Ossetians, these peoples are actually Iranian in ethnic origin.

Russia has to be multinational on at least some level, which I don't think is in any way bad or harmful as long as the different races are kept more or less separate in their own territories.

It's more complicated than Chechens vs Russians. Chechens don't want just Chechnya they want all the Muslim provinces in Russia, such as Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. They then want to form a large united Muslim state. For obvious reasons this can not be tolerated on the Russian border.

Also there are many ethnic groups who consider themselves Russian and speak only the Russian language, but are not racially Slavic, these are the North and South Ossetians, these peoples are actually Iranian in ethnic origin.

Russia has to be multinational on at least some level, which I don't think is in any way bad or harmful as long as the different races are kept more or less separate in their own territories.

I did google the "ethnic minorities in Russia" and found this interesting 1989-ethnic minority Census: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/russia_ethnic94.jpg

1989 is way past but this map gives a better apprehension of the "Russian problem".In the map its stated that only 9% of those living in Dagestan are Russians.What a shitty place. Let the muslims get it.Also i dont see how a muslim "Caucasian" state is in any way dangerous to Russia.

Although not beeing a Russia-expert myself from what i've learned all these years is that Russians dont like all those "Caucasians".They dont consider those "Caucasians" as beeing Russians and NS there consider those Caucasians even as non-whites.I strongly disagree that Russia should remain a "multinational state" since homogeneity is strength.

Anyway thats a Russian problem which the Russians themselves have to solve.

I will post an article explaining the real political situation in Russia today, because one needs to understand the long way from "democracy" to a "national socialist state" and how the ruling elites react to the changing situations:

How the Kremlin Wants to Polish its Image Abroad

By Jörg R. Mettke

As Russia takes over the rotating presidency of the G8 group of leading industrialized nations this month, Moscow's political elites are annoyed by the country's poor image at home and abroad. But the Kremlin hopes to bolster its influence both domestically and internationally by stoking Soviet-style militaristic patriotism.

Currently locked in a dispute with Ukraine over the price of natural gas, Russia appears less shy about reasserting its regional dominance these days. But using its vast energy wealth to flex its muscles is only part of Moscow's strategy to get Russia the respect the country's people believe it deserves. By resurrecting Soviet-era posturing, Russian officials hope to impress both their own citizens and foreigners -- especially those from the former Soviet republics.

Such grand aims can have humble beginnings, including a heavy metal concert on the fairgrounds of Moscow's working-class Kuzminki district. Fans wade through ankle-deep trash of beer cans and discarded paper shashlik plates, as they sway to the patriotic music of the band Pilgrim: "Holy Rus, we keep the faith."

Sponsored by the ruling Kremlin party United Russia, the spectacle is free for the visibly inebriated concertgoers. But the public drunkenness doesn't seem to bother the organizers much, nor does the fact that the slogan on a massive banner, "For Russia's Glory," was once the motto of Russia's fascists. "We are the craziest of them all," an MC shouts from the stage. "We Russians will show the whole world!"

A constantly filming party functionary believes he's witnessing "a completely new image of Russia" at the concert that needs to be "shown to the entire world." Whether he's right or not, at least he's in good company. Nothing seems to move Russia's political elite at the moment more than the worry that the country is not taken seriously enough abroad.

"We can do whatever we want," complains a Kremlin official. "For the western world we'll remain the Balalaika-playing bears." His boss, Russian President Vladimir Putin, recently complained to foreign scientists and journalists that the West was simply not interested in having a strong Russia as a partner. Others in his administration are less restrained in their language and speak of an an ongoing Cold War being waged against Moscow.

"Russians are the Jews of the 21st century," says Kremlin advisor Gleb Pavlovsky. According to his victimization analysis, his countrymen are "objectively today's pariahs in Europe." The powerful political consultant is considered one of forces behind Putin's rise, and many inside the Kremlin believe he could pack the power of an entire psychological warfare department. Once susceptible to theatrical conspiracy theories, the former history teacher continues to oscillate between very Russian mood swings between imperial euphoria and a national inferiority complex.

In order to keep anti-Russian images from the West -- or what Pavlovsky calls "European civilization" -- from infecting the Motherland, the government has decided to embark on a patriotic vaccination program. For non-Russian speakers, a new English-language television station called Russia Today went on the air in mid-December, with generous government backing of $30 million. Meanwhile, at home, both schools and barracks are being targeted for more pre-packaged patriotic propaganda.

The country's central and regional TV and radio broadcasters are all expected to introduce regular "patriotic citizen education" programs. There are even plans to distribute the national anthem with its familiar melody from Soviet times amongst the population in a particularly emotional version by the Alexandrov Ensemble, which was once the parade band of the Red Army.

The aim of the efforts is purportedly "to increase the awe of state symbolism and develop patriotic feelings among the citizenry of the Russian Federation," according to the normally government-friendly Russian newspaper Izvestiya. The paper complained that the campaign had clear "militaristic leanings."

However, the Kremlin has even more planned: the government has started a new monthly publication called "Patriot of the Motherland"; it's backing national festivities on the "Day of Military Service"; it's holding a scientific conference on the topic "Moral Foundations of Patriotism," and even organizing patriotic games -- for roughly €14 million. All in the service of polishing the image of the Russian state.

As if that's not enough, "the creative potential of journalists, authors and filmmakers in the area of patriotic education" is to be developed. Sergei Mironov, the head of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and a Putin-backer, is convinced that if Moscow doesn't put out enough propaganda about Russia, others will. "The honor of the homeland is an expensive undertaking," he says, explaining how the West has "learned very well to hurt us and portray us in a bad light." Experts put the price tag on the Kremlin's PR campaign for the Motherland at over €100 million annually.

A few months beforehand a senior official in the Russian foreign ministry estimated that it would cost far more to give Russia a positive foreign image. He said the government would have to earmark at least a billion euros a year for a decade, about the same amount the United States spends on sprucing up its tarnished reputation. "No one has ever managed to revamp a country's image in a short time," the diplomat said.

But Putin wants to do just that, especially because he is chairing the G8 group of leading industrial nations for the first time this year. He wants to start by staging an international mega-event in his home town of St. Petersburg in July, when he will host a summit of G8 leaders.

Old and gloomy Russian cliches

Even before the change of power in the Kremlin six years ago, Moscow began taking steps to change its image abroad. Foreign media organizations and their correspondents were again sorted and given labels like "enemy" or "cooperative" just as they were in the days of the Soviet Union. Around that time, the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, an organization of the Moscow intelligentsia aimed at popularizing the liberal-conservative superpower ideology, formulated a new idea. On the markets of the global information society, its members argued, it is no longer so important "how a country really is, but rather how it appears and is represented." Some countries have a "clearly overinflated image," but Russia, on the other hand, "despite the recognition of all its problems, is clearly underrated."

There's nothing new about these types of complaints. Gloomy Russian cliches have long persisted and have been nurtured by public and published opinion abroard. According to a poll conducted two years ago in Germany, 43 percent of those surveyed said they didn't know a single Russian author and 67 percent said they knew of no composers.

"Even in the most developed countries," Fyoder Dostoevsky lamented some 128 years ago, "people speak nonsense" about Russia. He wondered why enlightened people hadn't bothered to get to better know a country they had long hated and feared.

Russia gained little lasting credit in western Europe for its devastating strike against Napoleon at the start of the 19th century, or for absorbing the Tartars on their westward drive. When Europe's powers began dispatching emissaries to the east, their reports back about despotism and serfdom shaped a western view of Russia that persists to this day.

Back then, tens of thousands of settlers moved to Russia with the same enthusiasm shown by those who emigrated to America. German philosopher Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz swore that he preferred, with the help of Peter the Great, to "do much good with the Russians than little with the Germans or other Europeans." Prussian officers were stationed at the court of the czar and a century later German revolutionaries made pilgrimages to visit Russia's Communist government after the October revolution.

But after a short spell of freedom, the country Lenin had called the "prison of nations" only got a new coat of paint and a new name. Meanwhile, the racism and militant anti-communism of Nazi Germany created prejudices about Russia that lasted beyond the collapse of the Third Reich in 1945. Historian Wolfram Wette said that view of Russia even helped democratic postwar Germany to carve out a new identity for itself.

Old fears of the east were forgotten only briefly amid the euphoria surrounding "Gorby" -- Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who allowed the Berlin Wall to fall -- and romantic hopes of democratization in the east. The opening of eastern borders rapidly led to a new fear of a wave of eastern crime sweeping westwards from an unpredictable Russia.

New, updated Russian cliches

The golden toilet seats of Russia's new rich, their yachts and villas, combined with mass poverty, mafia killers and corruption, rough justice, the secret services' sinister grab for power, excesses by the army, and the brutal suppression of rebellious Chechens have all added up over the last 15 years to forge a western view of Russia that is both right and wrong.

Right, because facts were almost always well researched and correctly reported. Wrong, because the daily reality would often be blended out. In sum, the image that ensued irritated the Kremlin -- so much so that its propagandists often seemed to forget they had created the problems themselves.

Whereas the Soviet leaders were once angered by caricatures like Ronald Reagan's "Evil Empire" or former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt's "Upper Volta with Nuclear Missiles," at the end of former President Boris Yeltsin's reign, Moscow elites were greeted with descriptions of their country as a "bankrupt zone of nuclear anarchy" (former US Congressman Dick Armey) or the "world's most virulent kleptocracy" (current Congressman Jim Leach).

In Germany, where irony is heavy-handed and often confused with polemic, the magazine Stern last summer laid into Russian tourists on Turkish and Egyptian beaches: former Soviet people were "built as short and robust as a T-34 tank," boozing, pushy -- and the worst were the "assholes from the Caucusus."

No wonder then, that Moscow marketing specialist Alexander Pankruchin's six years of arduously sanding and polishing Putin propaganda has done so little to change the selective perception of Russia abroad. "In the USA," people think "that we're anti-Semites and totally Third World." The French are "afraid of the Russian mafia and any sudden mess in our country."

But the maliciousness or ignorance of some foreign observers is hardly the only problem. International statistics on Russia's reputation, the amount of respect it pays to civil rights, and its economic probity throw up shadows, rather than light:

* In the index of economic freedoms compiled by the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal, Russia landed in slot 124 of 162 countries -- a decline of 10 places in one year.

* Transparency International's corruption index places Russia in slot 126 out of 159 countries -- a decline of 36 places.

* The United Nations' human development report ranks Russia at 62 out of 177 countries

* In terms of freedom of press, the organization Reporters Without Borders ranks Russia at 138 out of 167 countries.

The only person who seems to have benefited from the PR campaign is Vladimir Putin himself. The help he's gotten from other foreign leaders, like former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder -- who famously called Putin a "flawless democrat" -- hasn't hurt either. Then, of course, there's this zinger from a recent brochure published by the Association of German Businesses in Russia: "When you begin to work in Russia, you'll quickly forget everything you've read about Russia in the German media."

But even as Schröder spoke in Germany of his "increasingly realistic picture of Russia," last April some members of an official group on Russian-German relations criticized Germany for perpetrating its worst-ever image of Russia.

The dilemma is clear: the negative picture Russia projects abroad is developing faster than the Kremlin's retouchers can plaster it over with images of the economic boom.

Despite being small and outnumbered, Russia's cheerleaders ironically control a good number of the electronic images broadcast in the rest of the world. This is despite the fact that, domestically, they are harassed by the state bureaucracy. The same is true for local foundations, which have recently been placed under government control or have been forced to shut down. The government has also made life a lot harder for the foreign media: last summer American television broadcaster ABC lost its permit to operate in Russia, Al-Jazeera has been forced to recall its reporters, and Germany's foreign broadcaster, Deutsche Welle, temporarily lost its license last summer.

Moscow's leaders seem unaware that this domestic state of affairs is shaping how foreigners view Russia. This lack of awareness of its foreign reputation even applies to the former Soviet republics, where a new agency has been set up to airbrush Russia's image. "Russia and the Russian language represent freedom, the possibility of greater freedom and huge possibilities," said the agency's chief, Modest Kolerov, 42. The Ukrainians, who have just had their gas supply switched off by Russia in a price dispute, may see things differently.

Kolerov has served many masters -- banks, publishers and governors of various political persuasions. He sees improving Russia's foreign image as one of the top national priorities. "That's a war in which we're still far away from the triumph of 1945," he said. "At the moment we're still in the terrible year of 1941."

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