You know what they say about used Italian rifles? "only dropped once."

You know the Italians fucked Hitler up bad bad invading Greece and getting whupped. The Hitler armour on its way to secure the Caucausus oil fields got slowed down big time cleaning up that mess. Very sad development, and mostly because Mussolini bit off more than he could chew.

Give credit to the Greeks for fighting like lions to defend their homeland but they fell victim to a brilliant Italian strategy which was to lure the bulk of the Greek army toward the Italian invasion point leaving the Bulgarian border almost completely undefended allowing the krauts to tiptoe in the back door and bring about a quick Greek surrender.

(20,000 Italian SS men were murdered in cold blood after they finally surrendered at the capitulation).

Do you have any info on this, I never heard of this before?

I got that, and a lot of other highly detailed Italian military history information on a superb Italian Military History site/forum. I don't have the address any more cuz I was banned for trying to sell VNNF over there. I guess the resident kike handler stepped in and had me bounced the next day - so if you join, watch your mouth.

You can get the address in the links section over at the Axis Military History Forum run by Alex (?) Wendell. I have that address somewhere (and it is really an amazingly good place with info on every aspect of every war but mostly WW II) so if you can't find it with the name I gave, or with Wendell's name, I'll get it for you.

I would go and start thread, ask questions, and always got solid answers.

I went there initally because I was trying to get some information on the Battle of Lisa - the first time an iron-clad navy went into battle - Italy/Austria, 1866. I could get no information anywhere and these guys knew absolutely everything about it (the brand new, totally iron clad Italian flagship was, typically for us WOPS - sunk instantly by a brilliant ramming tactic by the Austrian admiral. The Italian ship went down like a rock and because of that engagement, all capital ships everywhere for the next 50 years or so were built with completely useless and idiotic rams, which never worked except this one, first time. They knew, and know it all over there.

watch out for the kikes though.

here is the fact book address:
http://www.axishistory.com
here is the forum address:
http://forum.axishistory.com

By the 20th century, the fighter planes replaced the battle ship destroyers...

Fighter planes without an aircraft carrier would equate fly husbandry without the necessary turds

Fighter planes without an aircraft carrier would equate fly husbandry without the necessary turds

Elaborate… your statement does not compute. Period

Aircraft or not. The allies built enough fighter planes that won the war. The aircraft carriers were in the pacific. England was the major forward base. The whole island was paved into a runway…

The "Allies" also did a good job attracting flies

The "Allies" also did a good job attracting flies

WTF is your problem? You’re just a dead beat around here….

Aircraft or not. The allies built enough fighter planes that won the war. The aircraft carriers were in the pacific. England was the major forward base. The whole island was paved into a runway…

I don't think fighters won the war, but bombers, particularly heavy bombers. Even with the overwhelming material superiority they (we?) had, Germany was only forced to finally capitulate because we bombed her back into the Stone Age. And, even with the wholesale terror bombing of German (and European in general) cities - even then - it was only in the last 6 months of the war when the target expanded to include petroleum refineries and the synthetic gasoline plants that the Germans were finally forced to give up.

By late 1944 Milch's very effective re-channeling of German resources had resulted in a vast increase of German fighter plane manufacturing - I think they hit production of over a thousand a month with hopes of increasing to 2000. At that point, being a member of an allied bomber crew was tantamount to suicide - the casualty figures are truly astonishing. Had things stabilized at this point, German air space would have finally been protected and who knows what might have happened (a nuke on Berlin, I imagine). But, unfortunately someone with a brain figured out that murdering German woman and children had to wait and the target got shifted from terror bombing of population centers to the refineries and associated manufacturing sectors (ball bearings, etc.).

When the stinking allies finally won - hangers, hollowed out mountains and giant assembly lines were found filled with brand new, finished and never flown fighter planes - grounded for lack of gas. Ditto for the last two offensives, in the Ardennes and Lake Balkaton (sp?), that ground to a halt much more from lack of fuel (and weather) than from typically wussy allied combat endeavors.

For me, the best proof of Hitler's sincerity and desire for peace lies in his canceling of German long-range bomber plans in 1936. You don't go on wars of aggression, let alone conquer the world, without long-range bombers.

David Irving's book on Milch (who was half jew, I think) is really excellent.

Hey Dooce! Was I dreamin' or did you really post those remarks yesterday? If you've edited it out, it should be stated in between posts. You've probably got a guardian Leprechaun making sure you don't ruffle my feathers.
Did you finally understand why an aircraft needs its carrier like a fly needs a turd?

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What pisses me off is this uppity Teutonic thing, though it's idiotic to be pissed as I know full well just what real Germans think of not only German Americans but of Germans who happen to be from provinces other than their own. For Prussians, Bavarians and Austrians are nothing but emotional, ineffectual Italians or perhaps even niggers. For Northern Italians anyone from Lazio is beyond the pale while Sicily is just an extension of Africa, etc.

Just as you say. As Americans this is strange to us, even amusing. We laugh at them and puzzle ourselves over such regional and local enthusiasms and prejudices. So, as Americans, we are different and should be different. While part of Europe's charm is its particularity, part of our strength as White Americans is our concept and experience of Being White, itself.

By national ancestry I am 1/4 Greek and look it. I am at least half German and the rest being a sort of Anglo-Celt hodgepodge. By identity I call myself "White."

Hey Dooce! Was I dreamin' or did you really post those remarks yesterday? If you've edited it out, it should be stated in between posts. You've probably got a guardian Leprechaun making sure you don't ruffle my feathers.
Did you finally understand why an aircraft needs its carrier like a fly needs a turd?

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/578.htm

Israel resembles a speedboat. It moves quickly and turns easily. Israelis are proud of their talent for improvisation, which goes together with an inability to plan anything. These are two sides of the same coin.

The United States resembles a giant aircraft carrier. It moves heavily and can turn only in a very wide circle. It cannot improvise and has to plan everything meticulously.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cbo-afa/cbo03.htm

The establishment of Allied air superiority over Europe in the winter of 1943-44 was attributable to far more factors than the fortunate arrival of the Mustang fighter on the scene. But during the winter of 1943-44 the number of U.S. bombers on the Western front quadrupled while Luftwaffe strength in units increased very little. For example, in the fall of 1943, 300 U.S. bombers and 200 escort fighters were opposed by 200 or more fighters. In May 1944 comparative figures show 1,000 bombers and 900 escort fighters opposed by some 300 interceptors. The establishment of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces under General Carl A. Spaatz on 1 January 1944 further augmented the mass of coordinated American bombing effort and diluted Luftwaffe interception capabilities.

Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering's mistakes also contributed to the Allied air victory. In December 1943 Goering issued orders to Luftwaffe pilots to concentrate their attacks on Allied bombers and to avoid combat with Allied escorts. This order ignored a basic fact of air fighting: that when aircraft of roughly equal performance meet, the one who seeks to avoid combat is at an almost certainly fatal disadvantage. Noting Goering's mistake, Major General Jimmy Doolittle on 4 January 1944 ordered Eighth Air Force fighters to take the offensive—"to pursue —rather than provide position defense to friendly bombers.[10] In this same season, Luftwaffe fighters were being retrofitted with rockets, which were effective against bombers but were relatively ineffective against fighters.

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