What is Jimmy Page? I saw him on the cover of a magazine and he has the reddest, whitest looking skin, but jet black hair. You gotta consider him white though.

my understanding is that both Greeks and Italians are indeed Aryans. The Aryans conquered almost all of Europe about 10,000 years ago and imposed linguistic and religious beliefs therein. The only pockets of non Aryans in Europe include the Basques anda few others. The Dorian invasion - Aryan

Your people are the biggest race mixers going. Half your women in London are fucking a nigger, Paki, Bengali, or some other sort of shit skin. Look what your kin created in the US, a multicult cesspit. The only people low enough to fuck their own slave are your kind and Arabs. For the sake of some higher power, your women even make vacations JUST to fuck nigger beast in Africa. That takes a lot of effort, like getting a visa, using a credit card to purchase an airplane ticket, trip to the DOC to get immunized for third world diseases. Fuck you and your multicult! You even gave niggers equal rights to Whites in the US!

Do you see now what I said to you before about BrittaniaArms and a few others?

The truth the mongrel 'pan aryan' nord hunters refuse to acknowledge. Rather than employ eugenics programs to reduce the admixture, they would rather arm-twist purer whites into accepting them as white. As a result, I only accept 'Italians', 'Greeks', and 'Russians' on a case-by-case basis.

What non-White features do southern Europeans show? Italians, Greeks, and Russians are all Aryan, and I have yet to see any proof of non-White ancestry.

The nordic character of ancient greece and rome was a sight more than 'bullshit'.

Often times, texts are mistranslated, leading to results like the ones you cited. I have never seen any nordic looking Romans and Greeks in any pictoral depictions, although there may have been a slight recessive nordic presence from mixing with Germanic slaves.

Or by mixing with the Emperor's body guards

"The Italic languages, like Keltic, were without reasonable doubt introduced by the Urnfields people. Like Keltic, they split into P and Q forms, with Oscan and Umbrian as P, and Latin and Faliscan as Q. Latin itself, in its historic form, was a mixture of Villanovan Italic plus Etruscan plus some altered Greek, plus early Mediterranean words, including plant names. 46 The non-Italic accretions bear witness to the influences which met the early Romans, while its major Italic character throughout attests the persistance of the Romans in retaining the nucleus of their own speech through centuries of Etruscan overlordship."

Even though most linguists discount the theory that there is a recent Italo-Celtic or Celto-Italic family (comparable to the Balto-Slavic) this does not change the fact that Celtic and Italic languages are closely related and are closer to eachother than they are to other Indo-European language families.

"A group of eight male Roman crania from Rheinzabern on the Rhine, 54 belonging to real Romans from Italy, are the same as the individuals from Britain, and almost identical with the eight male males from Rome itself of the Christian period, and the early Roman from Corneto Tarquinia. These scattered references from various quarters, although few, are so alike that we must conclude that the Romans, however mixed, had formed a characteristic local or national physical type, which was mainly of Italic origin, and closely related originally to the Keltic."

Don't get too carried away with mention of "Romans" though. The same thing can be attributed to all of the ancient Italic tribes that migrated from the Iron Age Urnfield cultural interactive zone, not just the Romans.

Notes:

45. Whatmough, J., The Foundations of Roman Italy.

46. Ibid., pp. 276-277.

47. Zampa, R., APA, vol. 20, 1890, pp. 345-365.

48. Sergi, G., ARAL, Anno 280, 1883, 10 pp.

49. Moschen, L., Crani Romani della Primera Epoca Cristiana, 1894.
Pröbstl, L., AFA, vol. 45, 1919, pp. 80-81.

50. Whatmough, op. cit., p. 267.

51. Rochet, C., MSAP, vol. 3, 1868, pp. 127-145.

52. Davis, J. B., and Thurman, J., Crania Britannica, 1865, Part II.

53. Browne, C. R., PRIA, vol. 2, ser. 3, 1899, pp. 649-654.

54. Pröbstl, L., AFA, vol. 45, 1919, pp. 80-81.

55. Whatmough is in doubt as to their linguistic affiliation. Whatmough, J., op. cit., pp. 202-205.

Or by mixing with the Emperor's body guards

True.

Overall, Germanics did not constitute a large percentage of the Roman slave population. Romans found it hard to conquer the German lands, and weren't able to gain any kind of slippery foothold until the latter stages of the Empire.

Most of the slaves would have come from the south Mediterranean, Levant, Syria, etc.

True.

Overall, Germanics did not constitute a large percentage of the Roman slave population. Romans found it hard to conquer the German lands, and weren't able to gain any kind of slippery foothold until the latter stages of the Empire.

Most of the slaves would have come from the south Mediterranean, Levant, Syria, etc.

No one was keeping records, so who knows what "most" actually means.

However, there were plenty of Celtic slaves from Gaul and Britain, and there was a sizeable nordic element amongst these Celts.

The histories of Spartacus' slave uprising in Italy record large numbers of German slaves taking part in the uprising. One faction of them broke off from Spartacus' army and formed their own army. I don't know what "percentage" of Roman slaves were Germanic in any particular time period, but in the era of the Spartacus revolt they appear to have been at least a fairly significant minority of the slave population.

Also, Rome did not need to conquer Germany in order to acquire Germanic slaves. Germans were divided into numerous tribes, all at war with each other. These Germanic tribes would have captured members of hostile Germanic tribes, and sold them as slaves to the Romans, in exchange for Roman manufactured goods they could not produce themselves.

There was no such thing as "Germany" in those days, just tribes. Let's not romanticize our ancestors into proto-White Nationalists. They were not. Slavery was integral to warfare and business, and our ancestors were just as much warriors and businessmen as anyone else.

Add those mongrel black-haired Brits and Irish too. The Bono, George Harrison and Tom Jones types have to be bred out. Actually, every one of the Beatles is suspect. A lot of black hair with those Rolling Stones too.

Are you a darkie? Because no one has said that black hair = proof of coon lineage. However, Italy and Greece certainly have natives (don't know the %) who by any stretch of the imagination are barely white. Northern Europe's muds are immigrants of the last 50 years.
Bare in mind that Juvenal wrote in the 2ndC AD, in his satire about the last Roman in Rome, that the eternal city was full of Syrians. Some Syrians are white, but as an Oriental and mongrel nation, they are beyond the pale as Syrians. However, Greece and Italy are European and Western in culture, and belong to the white race.
Undisputed, though, the fact that some non-immigrant Greeks and Italians and Portuguese are part non-white.

Are you a darkie? Because no one has said that black hair = proof of coon lineage. However, Italy and Greece certainly have natives (don't know the %) who by any stretch of the imagination are barely white. Northern Europe's muds are immigrants of the last 50 years.
Bare in mind that Juvenal wrote in the 2ndC AD, in his satire about the last Roman in Rome, that the eternal city was full of Syrians. Some Syrians are white, but as an Oriental and mongrel nation, they are beyond the pale as Syrians. However, Greece and Italy are European and Western in culture, and belong to the white race.
Undisputed, though, the fact that some non-immigrant Greeks and Italians and Portuguese are part non-white.

I have dark brown hair, white-as-milk skin. I look at it from a practical standpoint. I consider all indigenous Europeans White even though some, like Sicilians and Spaniards, had some Arab-type blood mixed in a thousand or so years ago and the black-haired English/Irish who had something of the same mixed in with them, either from the Phoenicians or from shipwrecked Spaniards. I said the black-haired English should be bred out tongue-in-cheek because of the implausibility of it and we shouldn't worry so much about it. It's too late to worry about it in America anyway. In my area, very few are still all any European group.

Saw the End of the Olympics.The Italians looked damn good.Fine job.

Good posts, but most of the Middle Eastern lineages in Southern Italians came from Greeks.

Since you're interested in Genetics read:

Source: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/HaploJ.pdf

No offence, but I find the logic here rather falacious that Greeks are Aryans while some Italians are "Arab muds" as a result of the Genetic legacies that had received from those "Aryan" Greeks.

I'm not trying to provoke conflict, but come on, let's use some objectivity people.

There were indigenous peoples in Europe prior to the Aryan invasions. They were darker but fair skinned. Such as, the Etruscans, Basque, and Pelasgians-- the indigenous people of Greece who created and sustained the Mycenean civilization. The Aryan invasion or invasions of Greece-- such as the Doric- created a hybrid population of Aryan conqueror and conquered. So said Madison Grant, or Charles Morris, authors of "The Passing of the Great Race"-- and "Aryan Race" respectively, in the 1920s, echoing the long understood situation which we know from history.

Suddenly getting a genetic test done that scores funny on the "j haplogroup?" What would that show? Hmm?

Are Greeks, Italians Nordic? No. Are they Whites? Yes. Are Basques Whites? Yes-- are they Aryans-- by definition as the only remaining intact pre-Aryan indigenous tribe of Europe- No. Are they White Europeans? Yes-- good enough for me. The slanty eyed Blonde haired Finns or Russ-- same thing. I dont know about you but I need something more on the order of appearance than slight epicanthic fold, or, dark hair, to exclude a person from "White." Usually, it's enough to say you know it when you see it. I'm not disputing that I have seen Italians or yes Greeks that at first pass I thought to myself, non-White. True, but let's not get carried away. As old Fred Haerne who has not used this forum in over a year used to say: "just because there are foothills, doesnt mean there arent mountains."

There's a certain amount of narrow sighted, simplistic, material reductionism that goes on in these debates that is anything but "Aryan."

I thought the current theory was that the Etruscans were immigrants to Tuscany, most probably from Asia Minor. Is this argument now 'out'?

I thought the current theory was that the Etruscans were immigrants to Tuscany, most probably from Asia Minor. Is this argument now 'out'?

I dont know their origin, but I assumed on the basis that their language is un-translatable and not Indo-European, that they were an indigenous like the Basque or Pelasgians. The Latium which conquered them, of course spoke an Aryan language-- Latin.

I googled this question and found this interesting thread at Free Republic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1185005/posts

I dont have time to parse this, perhaps you could and let us know what you find out?