3 April, 2008

Super-Evil SS Nazis Invade Takimag Comments Section

Posted by Socrates in Alex Linder, fake conservatives, paleoconservatism, Socrates at 9:56 pm | Permanent Link

Linder unleashes his army of knuckle-dragging, kitten-murdering psychopaths onto innocent conservatives. Oh, the humanity:

[Forum Thread].


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  7. 63 Responses to “Super-Evil SS Nazis Invade Takimag Comments Section”

    1. New America Says:

      Am I alone in noticing that, suddenly, all of the “right-wing” types have revealed themselves to be intellectually dishonest practitioners of the moral equivalent of cowardice?

      For FIFTY YEARS the “New Right” – say, from Buckley, forward – have scrupulously maintained that anything that might – might – remotely identify the Asiatic Hive Consciousness of the demonic Jews as the common foundation of all of their enemies is simply removed from view.

      The tragic case of Dr. Revilo Oliver at the Birch Society proves this. One can only wonder how Dr. Oliver felt when he realized that somehow, an invisible hand was moving against him in all spheres. Only too late did he realize The One Truth that connects all evil…

      This continues until the present day. Apparently, Dr. E. Michael Jones, for example, simply can not bring himself to accept the simple truth – that the ADL had members recently appointed to an elite society in the Roman Catholic Church and, it seems, the ADL has the power of the veto over who qualify for sanctification – sainthood.

      Thus, the one blind spot all “conservatives” explains, in large part, why the “conservatives” have accomplished exactly NOTHING over the last FIFTY YEARS, with the exception of running some excellent “false flag” operations.

      Intellectual impotence, moral cowardice, and the net result of both – exactly NOTHING to show for half a CENTURY of effort, except a good living, for a few people, at the expense of the many who trusted their Deeds to match their Words, men like the late Dr. Sam Francis, and Buckley’s “friend,” Joe Sobran.

      It is tragic that late, all too late, in his lfe, did Dr. Sam Francis realize the PRIMAL truth about RACE as the central organizing principle of society.

      Let’s not make his mistake, shall we?

      Let’s look at the entire lot of them – AmRen, TakiMAg, National Review, Chronicles – as being the intellectual equivalent of chicken feed – great for the prey, bad for the predators.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    2. Booger Says:

      What i got out of all the back and forth banter,which was entertaining,is that “conservative” itself is a false political label that has accomplished nothing in the last 50 years.Also,any critique of the “chosen” is strictly “verboten”.The race reality of who our enemy is for real is not to be dicussed at any level,and they can erase any rational argument,with the cry and label of “anti-semite!”Not even the mere statement of racial facts is allowed in the jewish big brother thought police-state.There can be no honest debate or discussion without freedom to refer to “uncomforable” or “unpleasant” FACTS.Therefore-the “conservative” movement is merely a sham,which disperses energy,that would normally go to “preserving” the core race and culture that founded the nation into so much drivel,it has become meaningless.National Socialism based on race is THE ONLY THING that could save this Cunt-tree,but thanks to that “chosen”group,we can look forward to the 3rd world here,where it was never meant to be.

    3. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      “It is tragic that late, all too late, in his lfe, did Dr. Sam Francis realize the PRIMAL truth about RACE as the central organizing principle of society.”

      Actually, Dr. Sam Francis converted to Catholicism on his deathbed. The priest who received him into the Church and who gave him the Last Rites was Fr. Paul Scalia, son of SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia. Race is important in this life, but when face to face with the grim reaper, you realize what is MOST important.

    4. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      you wrote, quoting me:

      “It is tragic that late, all too late, in his lfe, did Dr. Sam Francis realize the PRIMAL truth about RACE as the central organizing principle of society.”

      you replied:

      Actually, Dr. Sam Francis converted to Catholicism on his deathbed. The priest who received him into the Church and who gave him the Last Rites was Fr. Paul Scalia, son of SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia. Race is important in this life, but when face to face with the grim reaper, you realize what is MOST important.

      in reply:
      Remarkable.

      I doubt the truth of that assertion, but, nonetheless, remarkable.

      How like an Institution:

      No help for the man when he was alive, and actively attacked by so many of his Roman Catholic brethren. If memory serves, that Good Catholic Boy, William F. Buckley, Jr., didn’t do Dr. Francis any favors at all, once Dr. Francis came into the disfavor of the demonic Jews.

      So much for Catholic “Charity.”

      No help for the man while he was alive – quite the contrary – but, on his deathbed, alone, and virtually abandoned by those he loved, he is seen as a – public relations exercise? – by the Roman Catholic Institution.

      Sadly for Dr. Francis, the ADL will exercise its veto power over his possible nomination for sainthood, now and forever.

      Amen.

      Perhaps, one day, we shall understand why Ratzinger made members of the ADL members of the Order of St. Gregory; after all, Judaism IS the EXACT opposite of Christianity, and it just might be that something like this could only happen as a Sign of Jewish control over the Roman Catholic Institution…

      Oh oh!

      Looks like Dr. Francis got in just under the line!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    5. DQ Says:

      Attack!

    6. Fr. John Says:

      “Actually, Dr. Sam Francis converted to Catholicism on his deathbed.”

      Pity. The ignorance of the West over the real Church of Christ (Orthodoxy) has led many otherwise great minds to believe that Rome is the [sic] One True church.

      What is even more astounding than that, however, is that the same minds that clearly view centralization of power and influence as a great evil when it comes to politics, cannot see the same evil (or an even greater one, say, SATANIC?) resides in the One church that has most effectively adopted such a model since her schism from Orthodoxy in 1054??

      Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I am free at last….

    7. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      Are you calling Fr. Paul Scalia a liar?

      Bill Buckley is not the Catholic Church. He was a Judas, just like John Zmirak. Why do Catholic haters only mention the Buckleys and not the Sobrans? Sam Francis probably didn’t reach out to the Catholics during his lifetime. Mike Jones wouldn’t have abandoned him. Joe Sobran wouldn’t have abandoned him. Who else came to his aid on his deathbed? A Catholic priest.

    8. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      Pope to visit New York synagogue on eve of Passover

      April 4, 5769

      BY ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY, Religious Editor

      NEW YORK—- When Pope Benedict XVI enters a U.S. synagogue for the first time, there likely will be an emotional encounter between a “Holocaust” survivor and the German pontiff who “both suffered” in the same Jewish instigated war.

      ”Both of us experienced the tragedy of World War II,” said Arthur Schneier, senior rabbi of Manhattan’s Park East Synagogue, which the pope is to visit on April 18.

      The Vienna-born rabbi told The Associated Pricks in an interview at his office that he and the pope have the same mama tongue, Yiddish-German. ”So we have a common language — at least in terms of meine Muttersprache, my mama tongue,” he said.

      Schneier, 78, fled Adolf Hitler’s forces in Austria for Budapest in 1939 with his mama and worked in a internment camp before Hungary was liberated by the communist red Army. He said most of his family had been deported to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp and died of typhus there. He moved to the Catskills.in 1947.

      The rabbi said sharing the war experience with the pope brings the two men “closer.”

      ”When you emerge from that kind of tragedy with all the human lives lost and only jews are human,” he said, ”it does something in terms of shaping your outlook and what you need to do to make sure that this becomes a better world for world Jewry and we don’t repeat the mistakes of history by exposing ourselves.”

      The 80-year-old pontiff is a native of Bavaria, whose father was anti-anti-communist. He said he enrolled in the Hitler Youth “against” his will and was then drafted into the German army in the last months of the war. He wrote in his memoirs that he “deserted” in the war’s last days.

      Schneier said the pope’s scheduled visit to the synagogue on the eve of Passover, which begins at sundown April 19, ”is another tangible expression of his outreach to the largest Jewish community in the world outside of occupied-Palestinel.” He added that ”the very clear message is that Jews and Catholics and Christians, we are in the “same” love boat, we have common concerns for selected humanity.”

      It will be the first visit by a pope to a synagogue in the United States and Benedict’s second as pontiff to a Jewish brothel of worship. On his first papal trip abroad in 2005, Benedict entered a synagogue in Cologne, Germany, that had been destroyed by the Jews, thus blaming the Nazis and rebuilt with 70% off the retail.

      Monsignor David Malloy, general secretary of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, called the upcoming visit to the Park East Synagogue ”personal and informal.”

      Schneier has met Benedict twice before, at the Vatican.

      When the pope and his Vatican entourage arrive in the late afternoon at ”my home” — as the rabbi calls the synagogue — they’ll be welcomed in the main sanctuary by swarthy hooked nose children of the Park East Day School and synagogue officials.

      In what Schneier called ”one significant, symbolic act,” the rabbi and the pope are to sit side by side as greetings are exchanged and sick and insane psalms are chanted in Hebrew.

      Separately, the pope has scheduled a meeting with U.S. Jewish leaders, including Schneier, Abe Foxman, Sarah Silverman and Randi Rhodes, and representatives of other faiths for April 17 in Washington.

      Park East Synagogue is a modern Orthodox congregation founded in 1888 and located a short cake-walk from the United Nations, which Benedict will address earlier in the day.

      Schneier has led the synagogue since 1962, while promoting religious t”olerance” worldwide — including “protecting” persecuted Catholics — as founder of the Appeal of Conscience Foundation. He received the 2001 U.S. Presidential Citizens Medal for service to the nation of Israel.

      The efforts of the pope to “reach out” to Jews follow those of his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, who became the first pope to set foot in a synagogue in 1986, when he visited Rome’s main synagogue.

      ”It’s a revolving door relationship,” Schneier said of Catholics and Jews.

      Some tensions arose recently over a Good Friday prayer Benedict revived from the old Latin rite that had historically been used as an excuse for violence and discrimination against Jews. Politically correct Benedict revised the prayer to address Jewish fears, but most Jewish leaders worried that the changes did not go far enough who want the mass in Zimbabwean. Most Jews “fear” that a Latin mass could increase Christian Ritual Murder (blood sacrifice) against Jewish children during the Easter spring brake.

      Benedict is visiting the United States for the first time as pontiff from April 15-20, stopping in Washington, District of Cabala and New York. He will meet with President George Wanker Bush at the White House, address the presidents of Roman Catholic colleges and universities and hold Masses at Nationals Park and Yankee Stadium.

      Andrei Yustschinsky reporting from Vatican City, down the street from Rome, Italy

      Copyright 2008 Associated Press. No rights reserved. This material can and will be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

    9. FeralWhiteMale Says:

      Gentlemen, gentlemen, please!

      The Catholic-bashing doesn’t help anything. The jews have divided us into so many squabbling groups that we’ll never get anything done. We should treat our brainwashed brethren — the jew-led libertarians, Catholics and other fools — with (ironically) the same sort of Christian-style compassion and brotherly love (which is really a genetic and racial trait and does not spring from Christianity) by reaching out to them and showing them the error of their ways.

      We don’t shut the door or shut people up. We open the door and welcome them to the real world of race realism and true facts.

      When it comes to the Takimag crap, it’s not the duped goyim that we have an argument with, it’s the kike Gottfried and others who embrace the Communist tactics of “toe the party line or else” with their censorship. The gentiles don’t see it because they are programmed in a Pavlovian fashion so that everyone who reproaches the jews = evil, nazi, hater, anti-semite, and deserved to be reproached by them.

      When it comes to the Catholics, it’s not the Fr O’Connors that are the problem, but certainly we should inform our Catechized brethren of the race-destroying policies of the Vatican and the negative, dare I say evil, influence of jews and their ideologies.

      I’m not religious myself, so it’s hard to believe I’m writing this, but our position to our fellow, fallen and misguided White brethren is that they are the proverbial prodigal son and we’re hoping and trying to awaken them to the error of their ways and return home. We’re leaving the light on for them.

      Of course, the dupes at Taki and other such places don’t see it that way because, again, they’re been programmed. They believe in the homosexual, tyrannical and irrational Nazi bent on taking over the world myth instead of the real Nazi who is the father or brother considered about his wife, mother, sister or brother who is being pied pipered to death and destruction — if not for himself now, certainly and eventually for his children and grandchildren.

      Sorry for the lecture guys, just the way I’m feeling today.

      Good work on exposing the typical jew-commie behavior at Taki and hopefully some of our White brethren will awaken like so many others have who were former conservatives, AmRenners, etc.

    10. FeralWhiteMale Says:

      sorry, the sentence “brother considered about his wife” should be “concerned” and not “considered”

    11. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      IF YOUR REFERING TO WHAT I JUST POSTED, IT’S NOT CATHOLIC BASHING, BUT WHY DOES THE POPE HAVE TO ATTEND A SYNAGOGUE? HE KNOWS WHAT’S IN THE TALMUD.

    12. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      I’ve posted this link before on this site, but for the obdurate, here goes again:

      http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

    13. Campbell Crawford Clan Says:

      Christian infighting does us no good and smells a tad trollish to me. And what a waste of time! Quibble if you must, meanwhile Rome burns…

    14. Revilo Says:

      The Catholic church has been outwitted by the jew time and time again because they think that sprinkling a jew with holy water can transform (transubstantiate?) it into a human being.

    15. alex Says:

      Actually, Dr. Sam Francis converted to Catholicism on his deathbed. The priest who received him into the Church and who gave him the Last Rites was Fr. Paul Scalia, son of SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia. Race is important in this life, but when face to face with the grim reaper, you realize what is MOST important.

      The last act of a pathetic life, and a characteristic act of a pathetic faith.

      A man’s actions in his last hours, when he’s in pain and his mind awhirl count for nothing.

    16. alex Says:

      Andrei, Goddamit, quit post news articles in unrelated threads.

      If you want post news stories, put them in reader mail threads ONLY.

    17. alex Says:

      Am I alone in noticing that, suddenly, all of the “right-wing” types have revealed themselves to be intellectually dishonest practitioners of the moral equivalent of cowardice?

      The right, at Takimag and Chronicles, affected sophisticated, culture and humility. But pierce this veil, and – wow. The insults fly thick and hard. The posts I made at the two paleocon sites were factual and substantial. None were allowed to stand. Once they were erased, so no one could read them, the jew Gottfried and the judaized Catholic Zmirak, began to lie about their contents.

      Most telling, perhaps, was their memory-holing of comments from the man they call the founder of modern conservatism, Edmund Burke. He was a very intelligent man, and to be sure had no trouble criticizing jews. And in fact his comments, altho race rarely came into them in the portion of Burke I’ve read, do in fact dovetail with racialism as we hold it today. What’s common is Burke’s beginning with facts, and never ignoring them to preserve a bogus thesis, such as that race is irrelevant to politics and the society we want to build.

      Here are direct quotations from Edmund Burke:

      Edmund Burke on jews:

      [The English revolutionaries] were not like Jew brokers, contending with each other who could best remedy with fraudulent circulation and depreciated paper the wretchedness and ruin brought on their country by their degenerate councils. (70)

      The next generation of the [French] nobility will resemble the artificers and clowns, and money-jobbers, usurers, and Jews, who will be always their fellows, metimes their masters. (72)

      Are the church lands to be sold to Jews and jobbers or given to bribe new-invented municipal republics into a participation in sacrilege? (80)

      http://www.anthropoetics.ucla.edu/views/vw268.htm

      If you support jews, you’re at odds with the founder of modern conservatism and a de facto enemy of your own people.

      [I would be grateful to anyone who has more comments from Burke concerning jews, would be great to have everything he said on this point in one place.

      And the same with everything Burke said on race.]

    18. alex Says:

      This continues until the present day. Apparently, Dr. E. Michael Jones, for example, simply can not bring himself to accept the simple truth – that the ADL had members recently appointed to an elite society in the Roman Catholic Church and, it seems, the ADL has the power of the veto over who qualify for sanctification – sainthood.

      Have you got links on this? What precisely are you referring to?

    19. alex Says:

      Anyone who would like to have fun twitting the conserva-twats and jew-supplicating cowards, here’s how to do it.

      The sites:

      http://www.takimag.com/

      http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/

      Now, they may be going to moderated comments, or outright registration, in order to post, but if not, you just post under your own name. If they don’t like what you say, they will delete your comment and ban your IP. Then you go here:

      http://proxy.org/

      Just click on one of the proxies, and boom, most of them will put you right back in the game. If your proxy is IP banned, just choose another.

      It’s as fun as eating potato chips and not nearly as fattening!

    20. alex Says:

      No help for the man when he was alive, and actively attacked by so many of his Roman Catholic brethren. If memory serves, that Good Catholic Boy, William F. Buckley, Jr., didn’t do Dr. Francis any favors at all, once Dr. Francis came into the disfavor of the demonic Jews.

      According to Catholic EMJ, Buckley volunteered to be the point man in losing Francis his job at the Washington Times.

      Although there is much to admire in the works of Catholic intellectuals, they tend to be a craven and sinister lot. Kind of like wanna be jews, or double-A jews.

    21. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      The ALD members who were initiated into the Papal Order of St. Gregory were discussed here, and on the ADL’s website.

      The entire discussion is archived here on VNN, where you took Jones to task some time ago. That is linked to the Jones comment where he “was not prepared to accept” – I think those were his words – that the ADL had a “veto” over who could be nominated for sainthood.

      The larger context of that discussion was Jones referring to “ethnicity,” when VNNers thought his analysis was much easier to understand, and much more accurate, if he simply looked at it in terms of RACE, and the Jewish RACIAL War against Western Civilization.

      His focus, if memory serves, was on the social revolutionaries who, I think he believed, just happened to be Jews.

      VNN argued that the Jews were social revolutionaries BECAUSE they were Jews.

      I don’t think Dr. Jones could quite grasp that distinction.

      He comes *this* close, but does not seem to understand WHO shut him down from speaking at a Catholic college, HOW they did it, and WHY.

      In short, they have been treating Dr. Jones pretty much like they treated Dr. Revilo Oliver, when he realized The Truth, and became slowly marginalized, neutralized, and then neutered.

      In short, look at how Buckley marginalized, neutralized, and the neutered Joe Sobran, and see the Pattern.

      People don’t realize one thing about accepting the simple truth about RACE, and the RACIAL Perspective:

      Once you accept the Positive Theory of RACE, so much falls into place; you just have to let go of the comforting illusions that softly geld you into subpotence, and impotence.

      The Positive Theory of RACE sees Family as the microcosm of the RACE; the RACE, as the macrocosm of the Family, and RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    22. alex Says:

      The reason I post at Takimag and Chronicles is to do outreach, as I do everywhere. That’s what the Internet is for. As elsewhere, it is not the readers, by and large, who have a problem with ‘nazis’ posting, its the editors, who fear for their careers.

      Conservative publications like the two mentioned make their daily bread by catering to the smug, self-satisfied bourgeois, and part of this is the pretense of radicalism but the reality of safety. Very female, when you think about it. But this is what the upper-middle class prefers.

      We salute and support real Catholic intellectuals who dare to name the jew, even as we chide them for the persistent and false belief that magic trumps biology.

    23. alex Says:

      OK, New America, I must have forgotten all that because I still don’t remember it. If you find a link, post.

      I know Jones in one radio show (his guys don’t seem to be doing them anymore) mentioned us specifically to make the distinction between the catholic and WN positions on race. In one of those shows he also mentioned being prevented speaking a couple places due to jewish pressure, as I recall. Just don’t remember him discussing the Papal Order of St. Gregory.

    24. alex Says:

      What a man needs on his deathbed…is to be left alone. I’ve seen this up close, seen the Baptist hosptial hall-crawlers. Fuck them. Christians are larger, more peripatetic bedbugs in my opinion.

    25. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      The Papal Order issue was not formally discussed by Jones; it was mentioned as a rebuttal to his understanding – his misunderstanding – of the issues of Jewish control of the Roman Catholic Church.

      Remember, all of the major Vatican conclaves had been about clarifiying narrow issues of dogma and doctrine, until Vatican II, which was about evil Racism.

      Pinay’s book is a good place to start on this.

      That having been said, I think we will see from Jones, the taki mob, et. al., a trend of increasing insistence – almost to the point of hysteria – that Race does not exist, even as one united Race rules them all…

      I think this hysteria will be the external counterpoint to the internal hollowness in their CONservative souls, as they quote and follow their mechanistic formulae, and they have less and less effect as time goes on.

      After all, this is the classic argument against censorship – you can ONLY censor The Truth. Lies are easily explained, misunderstandings clarified, and conflicts resolved.

      Only The Truth requires censorship.

      And THAT is what they are afraid of.

      And THAT is why they wil leither directly censor, or indirectly censor by changing the topic, and then – ruthlessly, relentlessly – marginalizing the speaker of Truth.

      Incidentally, note that the Pope made a big production at Easter about the Muslim convert to Roman Catholicism.

      No Jewish converts to be found, for the simply reason that the Ownership never seeks the approval of the Management.

      Never.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    26. New America Says:

      Here you go:

      http://www.rcab.org/News/releases/2007/statement070322-2.html

      Ask Dr. Jones if HE has been selected to the Papal Order of St. Gregory, or if His Holiness made Joe Sobran a member.

      Ask him if he thinks he has been played for a fool…

      Yet.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    27. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      Traditional Catholics stipulate that everything that has happened in the Church since October 1958 has been for the benefit of the Jews. The Jews, Freemasons, and faggots finally wormed their way to the top of the hierarchy and are directing the Church the same way Lenin directed Russia after 1917. So all of these posts and articles describing the traitorous behavior of the past few popes is moot. We know it. That’s why some of us call ourselves “traditional Catholics” and not just Catholics. The cowards at Takimag are Vatican II types. They know what the Jews have done, but don’t have the balls to stand up to them. It’s a simple litmus test: accept Vatican II and you are a traitor to the Church. Reject Vatican II (which is tantamount to rejecting the Jew) and you are a trad, i.e., counter-revolutionary.

      But just as Russia has finally shaken off the Jewish parasite, and their leader (Putin) is already in the crosshairs of the Jews (as were the Czars), the Church will shake off the Jews one day. The V II generation is dying off fast, and the young priests on their heels are conservatives and trads. The SSPX seminaries are bursting at the seams, while the V II seminaries are empty, with the exception of a few faggots. Fifty years seems like an eternity since we’ve lived our whole lifetimes within this period, but for a 2,000 year old institution, this is really the blink of an eye.

      Europe was White up until the 60s, so obviously the real Church did not promote Third World immigration into Europe or Europe would have been brown centuries ago. Specifically, it would have been overrun by Turks 400 years ago were it not for Catholic Warriors at Lepanto and Vienna. Insult the Church if you must, but if it were not for the moral values that the Church has enforced, the Jews would have been corrupting and aborting us centuries ago.

    28. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      This is slightly off-topic for the thread, but the relevance of this set of issues for the White Nationalism/Western Civilization model is all too obvious.

      Notice that, effectively:

      JUDAISM IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIANITY.

      The introduction of materialistic, demonic Judaism into Christianity was part of, and was fostered by, misunderstood claims of Christian universalism. As we have seen, the Christian Church has made no headway in Africa, no headway in Asia, and remarkable headway in the dwelling grounds of the Western Soul.

      There’s a reason for that.

      Note that the Russian Orthodox Church has reconciled its recent divisions, and is even setting up its own counterpart to the Roman Catholic Church’s EWTN – the Eternal Word Television Network.

      THIS is the Masculine Christianity that conquered in the name of Christ, and not the Feminine JUDEO-Christianity that is conquered routinely, internally by demonically controlled Judaism, and externally by Masculine Islam.

      The Spirit of Christ has been poorly served by the Institutions that claim to represent Him, and this is part and parcel of the control process known as Wordism (see http://www.nationalsalvation.net/ for an analysis).

      Note that, for example, the Roman Catholics claimed – and I am not disputing that claim – that Dr. Sam Francis, a man who was stabbed in the back ruthlessly, and relentlessly, by one of the Roman Catholic Church’s foremost public figures, was denied all temporal assistance by the Roman Catholic Church while he was alive.

      Only when he was literally at Death’s Door did they seek to offer him any assistance at all, and then, it was to the Greater Glory of the Roman Catholic Church.

      Think they offered to pick up even his burial expenses, or even the cost of shipping his body back home?

      Bet they didn’t.

      Think the Roman Catholic Church has worked relentlessly in his lifetime to undermine everything he stood for, including wholesale immigration of an uneducated, untrained, permanent underclass?

      Bet on it.

      I am as strong an opponent of the Roman Catholic Church as you are, simply because they are little more than a front for the policies and practices of the Asiatic Hive Consciousness known as Judaism.

      Incidentally, this is part and parcel of the Great Challenge before us, and that is to remake Christianity so that what it does have to offer, can be offered to us in a Form that magnifies this Good for the working of the Western Soul.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    29. alex Says:

      The Papal Order issue was not formally discussed by Jones; it was mentioned as a rebuttal to his understanding – his misunderstanding – of the issues of Jewish control of the Roman Catholic Church.

      Remember, all of the major Vatican conclaves had been about clarifiying narrow issues of dogma and doctrine, until Vatican II, which was about evil Racism.

      Pinay’s book is a good place to start on this.

      Thanks, New America. I keep meaning to read this book — it is online — and not getting around to it.

    30. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      In light of the CONservative Catholics getting on bended knee to the Roman Catholic Church, and the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church getting on bended knee to the hook-nosed demons known as Jews, here is a useful though exercise for us:

      What would Christianity look like if it had the Jewish influence removed, and how would it serve the best interests of our RACE?

      Particularly, what were the contributions of the so-called Northern Pagans to Christianity, and what can we do to renew this source of power?

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    31. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      Portion of a Lenny Bruce (born: Leonard Schneider) bio on his 1951 “contribution” to the the Catholic church. You see, even Jews do “gIn 1951, he was arrested in Miami, Florida, for impersonating a priest. He was soliciting donations for a leper colony in British Guiana after he legally chartered the “Brother Mathias Foundation” (a name of his own invention- but possibly taken from the actual Brother Matthias who had befriended Babe Ruth at the orphanage that Ruth had been confined to as a child), and, unknown to the police, stole several priests’ clergy shirts and a clerical collar while posing as a laundry man. He was found not guilty due to the legality of the New York state-chartered foundation, the actual existence of the Guiana leper colony, and the inability of the local clergy to expose him as an impostor. Later in his semifictional autobiography How to Talk Dirty and Influence People, he revealed that he had made approximately $8,000 in three weeks, sending $2,500 to the leper colony and keeping the restood” things for the church…

    32. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      “The introduction of materialistic, demonic Judaism into Christianity was part of, and was fostered by, misunderstood claims of Christian universalism.”

      When was Judaism introduced into the Church prior to Vatican II? Is that why the Talmud used to be burned in bonfires? And Jews were segregated into ghettoes, forced to wear badges identifying themselves as Jews so the Christians could avoid them? The Church forbade Christians from visiting Jewish doctors, marrying Jews, or borrowing money from Jews. Catholic rulers ejected Jews from their kingdoms more than 80 times in history. Please list one country that fell to Protestantism that ejected Jews. The Jews were liberated by Protestantism. Why do the Jews hate the Catholic Church more than anything else? Because they know who their oppressors were. They know the apparatus still exists, and with a true Catholic on the throne again, they will have major problems.

      “As we have seen, the Christian Church has made no headway in Africa, no headway in Asia, and remarkable headway in the dwelling grounds of the Western Soul.”

      Nigerians and Kenyans are largely Catholic. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were chosen to be nuked because they had large Catholic populations. Ever heard of the Philippines?

      “Note that the Russian Orthodox Church has reconciled its recent divisions, … ”

      The very fact that there is a “Russian Orthodox” church, i.e., a national church, is proof that Orthodox churches (plural) cannot be THE true Church. They are nothing more than a bunch of national churches, some in communion with Rome (not in schism, in other words), but independent of each other, with their own leaders or “patriarchs.” They have no head of their “church” because the See of Rome has always held primacy in the universal (Catholic means universal) Church. The Orthodox churches (plural) are about as relevant today as the Church of England.

      “Particularly, what were the contributions of the so-called Northern Pagans to Christianity, and what can we do to renew this source of power?”

      The contributions of the Northern barbarians was the collapse of the Roman Empire. The barbarians (Germans, Nordics) were the Mexicans of their day, i.e, relentlessly barging into the Empire to enjoy a civilization they could not create themselves. Civilization came to Europe from Greece and Rome, not from North to South. After the empire collapsed, the Catholic Church took over the apparatus and continued the unity of Europe, until the Eastern Roman Empire broke away with the schism. (Byzantium was the Eastern ROMAN Empire, think about that.) Protestantism ruptured the unity of Europe. Protestants rejected tradition and culture (from the Latin word “cult” which means religion) and now seek unity only through racial means.

      But this racial unity was assumed under the Empire (Roman and Catholic). The Church wanted to convert the whole world to Catholicism, but it didn’t seek to invite the whole world to come and live in Europe.

    33. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=26447&pageno=2

      This is an essay about the Roman Empire.

    34. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      I can summarize much of our apparent conflicts in one question, your answer, and my reply:

      I wrote:

      “The introduction of materialistic, demonic Judaism into Christianity was part of, and was fostered by, misunderstood claims of Christian universalism.”

      you replied:

      When was Judaism introduced into the Church prior to Vatican II?

      in reply:
      Well, I define Christianity’s transcendent foundation as being the Deed of Christ, and the continuing efforts of the Christ to build the Path back to God.

      I define Christianity’s de facto temporal foundation as being the Gospels. These describe the Founding of Christianity. I will provisionally allow the Book of Revelation, which essentially describes advanced stages of Consciousness in the future of Mankind. As we really are not ready for the Book of Revelation – the ONE book of the Bible which was authored by Jesus Christ – let’s stick with the Gospels – the story of Christ.

      Everything else – absent, say, the first ten chapters of Genesis, which describes the Fall of Man – is pretty much the Jews side of the story, which, as you can imagine, places the hook-nosed demons at the center of human spiritual evolution, and not Christ.

      In short, after the Gospels (with the exceptions I cited), everything else is a false flag.

      The Crusades were not fought for the Book of Ezekiel, and missionaries did not sacrifice their lives for the Book of Judges.

      Men lived, and died, in the fulfillment of the Will of the Living Savior for their lives, and the lives of their Families, and their RACE.

      That the viability of the Roman Catholic Church is being sacrificed on the altar of the triumph of the French Revolution – “Equality!” – is a reflection of the leadership that Malachi Martin quite rightly criticized.

      That leadership continues to the present day.

      And, that leadership acts as one with the Jews in all policy matters.

      No wonder the leaders of the CONservative Right are Good Catholic Boys.

      No wonder they won’t let VNNers post on their websites.

      Only we act on the same social organizing principle that works so well for the demonic Jews, that they will do all in their power to deny its use to us, and that social organizing principle is:

      Family, as the microcosm of RACE;

      RACE, as the macrocosm of Family, and;

      RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

      Bonus Question: Which of the Ten Commandments explicitly forbids RACIAL intermingling?

      Extra Bonus Question: Why do you think that is so important?

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    35. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      Adulteration of the gene pool (race) = adulteration of the money. . .

    36. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      New America,

      I think we’re having parallel conversations. Religion and race. Apples and oranges. They are separate things but not incompatible. The (pre-Vatican) Church never promoted miscegenation or Third World immigration into Europe. In fact, there’s something about that in the book “The Plot Against the Church” (I provided the link above), but I don’t feel like looking for it, so I’ll paraphrase. The authors blame Jews for being behind the white slave trade (which is true) and behind “race-mixing.”

      The Church is about order, and that’s my argument to White Nationalists. In what kind of ordered society do we want to live; since most Whites want to live among Whites, that’s a given. But Catholics will not now abandon our traditions and culture (like Protestants) and follow those who don’t really have any set, consistent order to follow. We don’t want to become “Walmart Whites” with no tradition, no culture, no art, no refinement, no ethnicity (what EMJ calls “deracination”), and no respect for the true history of Europe, i.e., the supremacy of Rome. Protestants reject Classical history (Greece and Rome) and think Europe started with the Reformation!

      If you offer National Socialism, you can forget it. Catholics will have no parley with eugenics. If there is any redeeming quality about NS, such as economics, then perhaps you need to form a new model and not associate it with Hitler, the swastika, and all the accoutrement of the Nazis. It won’t sell with most Whites – it just won’t. We have to reconfigure ourselves and that’s the problem. The Protestants and Catholics have been separated for so long now, that we really are two separate cultures. You all discarded the best stuff. Renaissance Europe vs. the industrialism of a Dickens novel.

      Hilaire Belloc wrote that Whites are now divided into two cultures: Catholic and anti-Catholic. And by reading the comments here, we can see that it’s true. But Belloc also said that the anti-Catholic Whites don’t know as much about Catholics as we know about them. That’s true too. Yet Protestants speak almost with an air of “infallibility” (pun intended) when speaking of Catholicism. And almost always are wrong.

      The only good thing that I can say about the Novus Ordo Church (the post-V II Church) is that, for some reason, they have not changed one iota of the moral teachings. Thank God. Paul VI was probably the most evil man who ever lived. He inherited the Church in 1963 (illegally), in the middle of Vatican II, and by the time of his death in 1978, the Church was unrecognizable as Catholic. He changed everything that was not nailed down as infallible, and even tried to work around infallible teachings. The Jews were absolutely certain that the Church would change her teaching on contraception, and then from there, it would all be downhill (abortion, euthanasia, etc.) But Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae which upheld the Church’s ban on contraception, abortion, the whole shibang. The Jews were devastated.

      Why is this important? Because believe it or not, whatever your arguments on these moral issues, the Church is the only thing standing between us and pure barbarism. When you have that stroke and the Jews want to pull that feeding tube out of your nose? Only the Church will be there to defend you. When your child turns out to be handicapped, only the Church will validate the dignity and worth of that life. One small step towards eugenics, and the Jews will find a way to use it against us. They already are to a certain extent, but the Church still speaks out against them. If you ever have someone you love become incapacitated, you’ll appreciate the Church one day. Each human life has intrinsic value. Since most of us are still fairly young, healthy, normal to high I.Q.s, we can look down our noses at the “other” as “less than.” But take one step into eugenics, say, after you’ve had your stroke, or your Mom has Alzheimer’s, or your kid is deformed, then you’ll look to the Church. And it will be there.

      I was going to get into how the 4 gospels were chosen by the Church from among many other “gospels”, and all that, but I’ll rest my case here.

    37. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      I can not draw the clear line between Race and religion, when history clearly shows that only one Race – the White RACE, the RACE that carries within it the Western Soul – can make anything whatsoever of the opportunities Christianity has to offer.

      Ironically, the Christ Impulse – as I call the continuing outworking of the Deed of Christ upon Mankind – has achieved its fullest flowering in the only Culture that has what Dr. McClelland referred to as the nAch component in its psyche – the Need to Achieve.

      From the Stars we came, and to the Stars we shall return.

      Pax Romana, in contrast, seems to offer an alternative that is essentially stagnant, in all spheres – the Renaissance notwithstanding, it is challenging indeed to see what the Roman Catholic Church has offered in a material manner since.

      In short, the Roman Catholic Church looks at history in the rear view mirror; the Western Soul looks out into Infinity, and sees history as a starting point for a grand future for our descendants.

      To the Pre VII Church, which seems as incapable of dealing with evil as EMJ’s “unmeltable ehtnics” were in dealing with the Jewish plot of racial integration, and subsequent destruction of, White Communities, I can only offer the condolence of those who were unable to stand and fight.

      The VNN Perspective – RACE forms ethnicity – is compared with the EMJ Perspective – Ethnicity overpowers RACE.

      Certainly, and here I turn back to the topic that started this discussion, the most successful RACE – the demonic Jews, who “are of their Father the Devil” – acts SOLELY as a RACE, whereas the EMJ Formulation limits the WHITE Ethnics to being more ethnic, then they are White.

      In short, the deeper foundation of their “ethnicity” – their common heritage as the sons and daughters of Western Civilization (and I believe that ONLY the Western Man, the White Man, can create and sustain Civilization – has been removed from them, even as the Church their ancestors founded and sustained actively works to undermine their lives, and their communities, in all possible ways.

      I suspect that an NS economic order – the FIRST economic oder to offer modern industrial hygiene, annual worker vacations, active support for the mother staying at home to raise the children, in short, the first social ordering to see the economic order as subservient to the State, rather than the EXACT opposite, which is the case in our current situation – would be praised by one and all, IF the Leibnizian economic models – and their extension by Fuller – could be carried forward with integrity.

      Remember, When the young Chancellor took office, Germany’s unemployment rate was at better then FIFTY PERCENT. His release of the Jew-controlled debt system from the German economy allowed the unique Creative gifts of the German people to reduce unemployment to ZERO in a very few years. No amount of Roman Catholic priests offering prayers and penance did this tremendous raising of the standard of living; it was the union of the Western Soul, as carried in the hearts of the German people, and physical economics applied with brilliant, Creative intensity, by men like Todt, Schacht, and Speer.

      Men – and Families – who were unburdened by the roless elected for them by the demonic Jews, roles that the Roman Catholic Church did little to negate…

      Christian thinking – stripped of its Judaism, and united with the raw power the Northern Pagans offered – helped to remake a crippled wasteland into the model of economic and social reform the world could only admire…

      You do make one disconcerting point in which you seem to conflate an NS society with eugenics, and insist that only the pre VII Roman Catholic Church will stand by our side as they pull the feeding tubes from us.

      I think an important distinction is missed in this analysis, in that it assumes the “All or Nothing” state – the plug is being pulled – from the actual state in an NS economy, which is that the Quality of Life is enhanced in a thousand ways, such that the plus is unnecessary…

      In short, we have used the Creative talents that are part and parcel of the Western Soul, and transformed the talents into capacities, for the betterment of all, particularly with an ever-increasing standard of living…

      Again, ironically, the Bible EXPLICITLY supports eugenics, and mandates – I repeat, MANDATES – abortion, and the method by which abortion is to be applied, in the furtherace of RACIAL Goals.

      See Numbers 5: v24, and 25.

      Note the use of the word “SHALL” in v25.

      Let’s just ditch that Old Time Old Testament, and move forward into the Christian Era, shall we?

      I would hope the Pre VII Church would be there to make my life better, but what calls itself the Roman Catholic Church seems more concerned with undermining the quality of life, by doing all in its power to turn America into Mexico, with snow.

      Now, if we could find some way to pull the plug on THAT enterprise…

      Notice, by the way, how the Pope seems silent on the idea of taking all of his Mexican children and airlifting them to Italy.

      Why do you suppose that is?

      Clearly, they have enough room in the country, and the “hard-working, industrious” Mexican Children of the Vicar of Christ could turn Italy into…

      Mexico?

      Is THAT why Ratizinger and his associates DON’T want his Mexican children to live with their light, bright, and White brethren of Vatican City?

      You’re not saying the Pope is a…RACIST, are you?

      Or is he just a very enthusiastic Anti-Racist?

      Anti-WHITE, too,from the looks of it.

      Except for the Vatican…

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    38. alex Says:

      When you have that stroke and the Jews want to pull that feeding tube out of your nose? Only the Church will be there to defend you. When your child turns out to be handicapped, only the Church will validate the dignity and worth of that life.

      Precisely. You’re there to stand up for the defective. No wonder you’re such big supporters of the fucking mexicans and niggers. Your church is not White – it hates Whites.

      Biology doesn’t go away because your church won’t parley.

      A break in the church was inevitable, because the essence of Whiteness is and will always be torn between following and striking new ground.

      What Protestants have that you don’t is a wonderful saving baldness, plainness, directness.

      I can take John Zmirak straight on and kick the shit out of him, or any other Catholic. All they can do is sputter and delete.

    39. alex Says:

      It’s not the defective that need standing up for, it’s the strong and the able, especially among Whites. Look at schools – they cater to ‘special needs’ – people who are essentially ineducable! What could be more Catholic than that?

      What’s so horrible about getting rid of horribly defective people anyway? If you read Lothrop Stoddard, the nazis were quite conservative in who they sterilized. You had to be congentially defective to begin to quality. They were quite conservative.

      The other thing is, you guys don’t admit the cost of your position. The defective are a terrible drain on the effective. We can only stand so many defectives before we all get dragged under. After a point, taking care of defectives proves only that we belong among them.

    40. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      I hope you never have to eat those words, Alex.

    41. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      Yet, you seem remarkably silent on my assertions that:

      1. The Old Testament has an explicitly RACIALIST perspective; indeed, racial purification – racial EUGENICS – was of such importance that it rated an entire Commandment in the Ten Commandments.

      Why?

      2. I have cited the Old Testament MANDATE for abortion – again, de facto RACIAL EUGENICS. Why would the Old Testament God MANDATE not only the duty of forcing an abortion, but the means through which the abortion SHALL be performed?

      Why?

      3. Why does one Pope after another encourage – ACTIVELY encourage – the Dark Races, the Less Advanced Races, to emigrate to the WHITE countries, the WHITE nations, the only nations that are based on the expansion and transformation of Christianity – the ONLY nations that have made Christianity work?

      Why doesn’t the Pope encourage his Mexican Children to emigrate immediately to Italy, and turn Vatican City into…

      Mexico?

      Is THAT what he fears?

      Yet, if the Mexican Children of the Church are good enough for America, but are NOT good enough for Italy, much less Rome, much less Vatican City, is this because the Pope recognizes that RACE is the Foundation of how far a religion can progress – and the absence of the WHITE RACE, and its great Creation, Western Civilization, sets an absolute limit on how far Christianity can develop?

      Perhaps the Pope can set up an outpost for the Roman Catholic Church outside Mexico City.

      He can call it – what would be a good name?

      Vatican II.

      That works!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    42. alex Says:

      I won’t. I’ll never be a Catholic, scrambling around to prove that Pope Pius loved the jews and did all he could to save them. The jews he and his fellow Catholics saved brought about Vactican II, make movies that mock Catholics but never jews, abort White babies by the millions, and force the Pope to kiss their ring.

      There is something wrong with those will not fight their enemies, but fall over themselves, and no other description will do, to attack those who do the fighting for them, if not precisely in their behalf.

      Something passing strange about it all. Something in Catholicism is inherently sick.

    43. Stronza Says:

      Since this thread is supposed to be about Takimag & the recent roiling over there, I just wanted to say that Paul Gottfried is pretty strange in how he’s all over the lot.

      First, he says he will never deny that “Muslims are vile”. But “upper class Turks” are okay as immigrants to the (purportedly) white western world. But then, muslim tho they are, they are all “better” than the yuppie “multiculturalist elitists” who beg for nonwhite immigration.

      Then he notes that the dzhues hate christians more than they hate muslims. Then, he takes on the antisemites in the form of Alex L. Jeeze, that’s only the beginning. He lurches around like this, with no central organizing ideology. He’s even been published in the Occidental Quarterly. Can anybody sort this guy out?

    44. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      “He lurches around like this, with no central organizing ideology. He’s even been published in the Occidental Quarterly. Can anybody sort this guy out?”

      Don’t they take all sides of all issues?

    45. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      “Paul VI was probably the most evil man who ever lived.”

      “Each human life has intrinsic value.”

      “What Protestants have that you don’t is a wonderful saving baldness, plainness, directness.”

    46. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      you wrote:

      There is something wrong with those will not fight their enemies, but fall over themselves, and no other description will do, to attack those who do the fighting for them, if not precisely in their behalf.

      in reply:
      THIS is the effect demonically-controlled Judaism has had on Christianity, to take a Masculine religion, and transform it into a Feminine religion, a religion of passivity, and “tolerance” – active damn support, really – of those who would destroy it.

      That is why the most sane Christians simply ignore the insane intellectual propositions, and go to church, it all all, for the sense of Community. Ironically, this is the Whitest place they will be all week…

      SO, they tolerate incessant, inane, insane babbling solely to be in a room with White people who share their values…

      RACE matters, after all, doesn’t it?

      you wrote:

      Something passing strange about it all. Something in Catholicism is inherently sick.

      in reply:
      What is “inherently sick” is the active support of those who would destroy your RACE – the macrocosm of your Family – in the name of “tolerance.” Note that the “tolerance” never goes BOTH ways; WE never tell them they have to change and come up to our level.

      No.

      WE have to “tolerate” – actively support, really – those who HATE us.

      THIS is what drives the Real Men in the System mad.

      The Little Wife drags them off to Church, where, at least, they are with their own RACIAL Brethren, and they are it with an incessant series of attacks on….THEM, and the incredibly successful social order they and their ancestors – their Family, their RACE – have Created, and sustained.

      Their choice is to get very mad at this, or simply ignore the Institutional assault on all that is good, all that truly IS “in the Image of God.”

      So, they ignore it, quietly, graciously.

      And they shouldn’t, really, because the active support for two totally opposing social orders leads to madness…

      And THAT is the source of the social unrest that requires more than TWO-THIRDS of all “Adults” in America to take prescription tranquilizers.

      They really don’t need the drugs, you know.

      They need to know they are RIGHT to feel the way they do, and they need to BELIEVE they have the power to change this intolerable set of affairs.

      A First Step is simply to do a John Galt, and simply walk away.

      In all too many American marriages, particularly among the blue-collar workers, the “other Man” is the local Man of God, who spends each Sunday beating the psychological daylights out of otherwise normal men, slowly, softly, gelding them – with their wife’s full approval and support.

      Bob Whitaker has just nailed this issue in macrocosm in his analysis of Wordism as the intellectual trap that kills our RACIAL Greatness on his site, http://www.nationalsalvation.net/.

      My position is now this – if the Religion does not serve the RACE, the Religion has to go, one way or another.

      If it doesn’t, it will take the RACE down with it.

      Which, come to think of it, was the Plan all along.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    47. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      New America,

      I mean no disrespect (honestly), but I’m simply not going to refight the Reformation with you. I will make only one argument in this regard, which I started to make earlier, but ran out of stream:

      The Church chose the writings that form the canon of books known as the New Testament. The NT surpasses the Old Testament, except to Protestants, who have given it equal footing with the New. THe OT is only valid insofar as it pointed to a Messiah. Without the OT, there would have been no validity to Jesus claiming to be the Messiah. The Old Covenant is over now. Puritans were the ones who resurrected the OT, and it spread like a cancer among Protestants. In fact, you could say that the Puritans were the first Christian Zionists.

      If you accept the NT, you accept the authority of the Catholic Church. Jesus did not write anything. He founded a Church (thou art Peter, and upon this rock, I will build my Church). He entrusted his apostles to carry on his ministry, i.e., he invested them with authority. This authority was handed down and is known as “apostolic succession.” THe Pope is the successor of Peter (when they are valid popes, but that’s another argument for another day).

      The NT was not assembled until the 4th Century. Yet the Church existed, even if in the catacombs, for those preceding 3 centuries, and the rubics of the Mass are found in the earliest writings of the fathers of the Church, e.g., Iraneus, Ignatius (not the founder of the Jesuits, a different one).

      There had to have been some authoritative “body” to give legitimacy to the books chosen to form the NT. So if you accept the NT, you accept the people who chose those particular books; otherwise, you have to go over to the Middle East yourselves and scour through the old parchments and assemble your own canon. THere is a reason you don’t consider the gospel of THomas valid, or the gospel of Judas, or of Mary Magdelene, etc. It’s because the Church said “nay” to those and “yay” to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The NT did not fall to the sky already assembled. So Protestants rejected the authority of the Church, but took OUR Bible to argue with us, ad nauseum. It really is ridiculous.

      In other words, WE PUT THE F*CKING THING TOGETHER!

      Is that bald enough for you?

      Now, you continue to raise points about Pope Benedict. If you look at one of my earlier posts, you’ll see that I said “Traditional Catholics stipulate that all that has happened after Vatican II has been for the Jews.” Stipulate. Meaning, we both agree, so there’s no need to argue this point. Yet, no matter how many times I make that point here, someone on this site invariably says “yeah, but look what John Paul II did! Look what Benedict did!”

      WE KNOW IT. Get it? That’s why we’re “traditional” Catholics (it used to be redundant). Yet Catholic haters give weight to the John Zmiraks over the Bishop Richard Williamsons (SSPX), and all the trads you probably have never heard of, who are battling it out over control of the Church. One good coup leads to another. That’s what the SSPX are positioning themselves for. The only reason Benedict reissued the Latin Mass was because he knows the Vatican II Church is dying. THe SSPX and trad chapels are filled to the rafters and most of the attendees are under age 40. It’s a last gasp effort by Ratzinger to stick his finger in the dyke and stop the hemorraging, but it’s to no avail. V II is done, and they know it. You’ll like this part: the young trad families are having 6, 7, 8 and even 9 kids per family! That’s the future. V II is the past.

      Now, the race issue. You assume that just because white Catholics are not goose stepping down Main Street with the swastika armband, they we are not aware of race. We know all that shit, too, okay? I came here to see if there could be any common ground, but the hatred spewed at the Church is astonishing. Do you realize that you’re on the same side as the Jews in this regard? Think about that. This is our *common* heritage, whether you reject it or not. You trust the judgment of our ancestors when they were dancing around fires, shaking rattles, but you don’t trust their judgment after that, until, of course, the Reformation. So we don’t even have the same understanding of our history; therefore, I guess it’s not possible to have a common agenda now.

      The very fact that you try to justify abortion is why Protestants can’t lead. I mean this as no personal insult, but the Church has a bit more experience in these matters, even in its weakened state today. You’re just going to have to trust the best of European minds, that is, our common heritage cultivated for 2,000 years, when it comes to these issues. If the Church is temporarily under some sort of Jewish/Freemasonic control, well, it’s not easy fighting the Jews, while having to fight your own people (the Protestants!) at the same time. We’re doing the best we can. Meanwhile, we will still try to prevent the Jews euthanizing you, like they did to Terry Schiavo. Don’t you see that that was the first salvo fired in the battle towards putting the pillows over our faces while we lay convalescing? The Church is still, remarkably, on the frontlines in these life battles, and we will continue fighting. Which side are the Jews on this battle of the Culture of Life vs. the Culture of Death? The same side you’re on. That should give you pause.

      There has to be an absolute respect for the sanctity of human life or we’re all f*cked. It’s that simple. If we cannot agree on that simple maxim, then I see no way we can cooperate. Nevertheless, I hope none of you find yourselves at the Jews’ mercy; but if you do, there will be a “hall-crawler” – like Fr. Paul Scalia – who will enter your room and put his hand around the doctor’s wrist as he reaches for your feeding tube. And then maybe you will get it. And then maybe we can all be friends again.

    48. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_X

      Bishop Richard Williamson, SSPX:

      “Supernaturally seen, such a scenario, capable of many adaptations, represents one more in many steps of the Jewish people towards their appointment with God at the end of the world, when, maybe converted by the heroism and endurance of the Catholics undergoing persecution by their Anti-Christ, they will at last convert (Romans, XI) and discover their own true Messiah, Jesus Christ, who has never ceased to love them as his own people. However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ’s throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ.”[51]

    49. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      New America,

      I just realized that YOU were not the one who said I wasn’t “bald” enough. My apologies!

    50. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      you wrote:

      New America,

      I mean no disrespect (honestly), but I’m simply not going to refight the Reformation with you. I will make only one argument in this regard, which I started to make earlier, but ran out of stream:

      The Church chose the writings that form the canon of books known as the New Testament. The NT surpasses the Old Testament, except to Protestants, who have given it equal footing with the New. The OT is only valid insofar as it pointed to a Messiah. Without the OT, there would have been no validity to Jesus claiming to be the Messiah. The Old Covenant is over now. Puritans were the ones who resurrected the OT, and it spread like a cancer among Protestants. In fact, you could say that the Puritans were the first Christian Zionists.

      in reply:
      I could not agree more.

      And, of course, we know who financed the Roundheads, the political parents of the Puritans.

      A good lesson in the errors in tolerance, that.

      you wrote:

      If you accept the NT, you accept the authority of the Catholic Church. Jesus did not write anything. He founded a Church (thou art Peter, and upon this rock, I will build my Church). He entrusted his apostles to carry on his ministry, i.e., he invested them with authority. This authority was handed down and is known as “apostolic succession.” THe Pope is the successor of Peter (when they are valid popes, but that’s another argument for another day).

      in reply:
      Here is the flaw in your analysis.

      One, I do not accept the NT; I simply accept Christianity, and the ONE book written by Jesus Christ.

      The rest is simply a series of stories demonstrating how challenging it was to build an Institution upon the Light of Christ.

      That having been said, the linkage between the NT and the Magisterium – the teaching authority of the Roman Catholic Church – is claimed by the Church, and this claim is founded upon error.

      Remember, when Jesus asked Peter who He was, Peter said, “Thou Art The Messiah.”

      Jesus told him that he was correct, “and upon this Rock I will build my Church.”

      A Rock is a metaphor for an unchanging, solid, totally reliable force.

      The Rock was “Thou Art The Messiah.”

      Notice that Jesus did NOT say, “Upon YOU I will build my Church.”

      Not Peter – hardly Rock-like, Peter, who denied the Savior THREE times in one night.

      No.

      The Eternal Truth – the Rock, the Foundation of the Church of Christ, is “Thou Art The Messiah.”

      Incidentally, when Jesus said, “Get thee behind Me, Satan,” just WHO was he talking to?

      The Rock?

      Or Peter, who would deny Him THREE times in one night?

      My Rock is Christ, the Living Savior, the Eternal Word.

      Peter is just a man, and, frankly, proof that Christ COULD do miracles, even with a moral coward such as Peter.

      That Way likes Hope, for all of us.

      you wrote:

      The NT was not assembled until the 4th Century. Yet the Church existed, even if in the catacombs, for those preceding 3 centuries, and the rubics of the Mass are found in the earliest writings of the fathers of the Church, e.g., Iraneus, Ignatius (not the founder of the Jesuits, a different one).

      in reply:
      The Church “EXISTED” the minute Christ came from the waters of the River Jordan.

      Remarkably, the first word of the (very intolerant) Christ was “REPENT!”

      He then fabricated a weapon – a whip, like a cat ‘o’ nine tails – and went after the Jewish political leadership with gusto, condemning them for having turned His Father’s House into an Abomination.

      Damn, but what He would do today, given half a chance!

      Perhaps we would all do well to emulate His Example of Intolerance, at least in our personal lives.

      While the NT did not exist in a contemporary form until the 4th Century, the Word, made flesh, continued to manifest spiritually, in the hearts, minds and souls of those who were chosen to carry it forward with spiritual life.

      Those who “were of their Father, the Devil,” continued with THEIR Written Word, as well as THEIR Oral Tradition.

      Jesus Christ went after them with whips, which He used to great effect while He kicked ass left and right.

      We should bear that in mind; a little positive Masculinity, even a little “ethnic cleansing,” would not hurt our current Institutions, at all.

      you wrote:

      There had to have been some authoritative “body” to give legitimacy to the books chosen to form the NT. So if you accept the NT, you accept the people who chose those particular books; otherwise, you have to go over to the Middle East yourselves and scour through the old parchments and assemble your own canon. THere is a reason you don’t consider the gospel of Thomas valid, or the gospel of Judas, or of Mary Magdelene, etc. It’s because the Church said “nay” to those and “yay” to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The NT did not fall to the sky already assembled. So Protestants rejected the authority of the Church, but took OUR Bible to argue with us, ad nauseum. It really is ridiculous.

      In other words, WE PUT THE F*CKING THING TOGETHER!

      Is that bald enough for you?

      in reply:
      “YOU F*KED UP!”

      ALL you needed was the Story of Christ; what IS Christianity, if not THAT, extended unto the present days, and our present lives?

      THAT is why Christianity is so dependent upon each and every one of us having a personal, living relationship with the Living Savior – no middlemen, no tithe collectors, no televangelists, and no Papacy.

      YOU and the Living Son of God, Alone, make Christianity the Living Faith, built upon the Living Word, that it truly MUST be, if it is to be anything other than a Judaic Parody of what it MUST be, if it is to redeem lives, and save souls.

      The key for us will be to scrape all of the clutter, dirt, and dust off of the Light, and allow it to glow ever more brightly in our lives, without middlemen, and tithe collectors. A useful Rule is to examine where the clutter, dirt, and dust came from. Why, it is Materialism, writ large, and the source of this could be neutralized with one phrase:

      NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT.

      Stick with the Gospels, for all, and the Book of Revelation, for the Initiates who are advanced enough spiritually to read and understand the true meanings of that Book.

      Incidentally, the Four Wise Men – the magi – were members of the Priesthood of WHAT religion, and how do you suppose THAT religion ties in with Christianity?

      The Gospels tell the story of Christianity as it is; the Book of Revelation, as it MAY, and SHOULD, become.

      you wrote:

      Now, you continue to raise points about Pope Benedict. If you look at one of my earlier posts, you’ll see that I said “Traditional Catholics stipulate that all that has happened after Vatican II has been for the Jews.” Stipulate. Meaning, we both agree, so there’s no need to argue this point. Yet, no matter how many times I make that point here, someone on this site invariably says “yeah, but look what John Paul II did! Look what Benedict did!”

      WE KNOW IT. Get it? That’s why we’re “traditional” Catholics (it used to be redundant). Yet Catholic haters give weight to the John Zmiraks over the Bishop Richard Williamsons (SSPX), and all the trads you probably have never heard of, who are battling it out over control of the Church. One good coup leads to another. That’s what the SSPX are positioning themselves for. The only reason Benedict reissued the Latin Mass was because he knows the Vatican II Church is dying. THe SSPX and trad chapels are filled to the rafters and most of the attendees are under age 40. It’s a last gasp effort by Ratzinger to stick his finger in the dyke and stop the hemorraging, but it’s to no avail. V II is done, and they know it. You’ll like this part: the young trad families are having 6, 7, 8 and even 9 kids per family! That’s the future. V II is the past.

      in reply:
      Again, we see the miraculous outworking of Christ in trying to remove the smokes of Satan from the Roman Catholic Church.

      The Jews – the Children of Their Father, the Devil – will take a bit longer.

      We’ll do our part!

      you wrote:

      Now, the race issue. You assume that just because white Catholics are not goose stepping down Main Street with the swastika armband, they we are not aware of race. We know all that shit, too, okay? I came here to see if there could be any common ground, but the hatred spewed at the Church is astonishing. Do you realize that you’re on the same side as the Jews in this regard? Think about that. This is our *common* heritage, whether you reject it or not. You trust the judgment of our ancestors when they were dancing around fires, shaking rattles, but you don’t trust their judgment after that, until, of course, the Reformation. So we don’t even have the same understanding of our history; therefore, I guess it’s not possible to have a common agenda now.

      in reply:
      I think “the hatred spewed at the Church” is not only “astonishing,” but understandable, in light of the Institutional acts of the Church in, for instance, deliberately fomenting the Reconquista – literally, aiding and abetting the Enemy.

      When you jump from the spiritual politics, to temporal politics, you will be treated as temporal politicians.

      At that moment, your claims of moral superiority will be tested; in the Institutional support for the Reconquista, for instance, the Roman Catholic Church asserts de facto supremacy over American national affairs, and even the definition of the American national identity. You MUST expect an ass-whipping when we finally realize what you have been doing to us, our Families, and our RACE, in the name of “Love” and “Tolerance.”

      This, from a Church that claims to be founded by the very intolerant Jesus Christ, Whose ONLY “Love” was for his Father, and Righteousness.

      I think this is part and parcel of the larger issue for Traditional Roman Catholics, and that is they are seen by many as the Roman Catholic Church’s functional political equivalent of our CONservatives.

      They simply do not Create Something Better – much better – and seem content to live in a world that never really was, while a few live a Good Life at the expense of the Many, their Faithful Followers. Talk with Joe Sobran about what the late, unlamented (over here, at any rate!) William F. Buckley, Jr. said about Conservatism as a practical matter. Now, look at how the demons who walk the Earth known as Jews controlled “Conservatism,” pretty much from Buckley, forward, and see if that reminds you of how they controlled the Roman Catholic Church TO GAIN CONTROL during Vatican II, and, once in control, ruthlessly destroyed all opposition, in the Roman Catholic Church, just as they did in the CONservative “Movement.”

      Just ask the late Dr. San Francis about that…

      Our “common agenda” begins with survival, and then, growth.

      Talk with EMJ about how one phone call from some Jews stopped him from speaking at a Roman Catholic college. Now, ask him WHO came to his aid, in this very confusing situation?

      Survival comes first, and then, growth.

      From that we can examine morality, as a measuring rod for the tools and techniques for proper growth.

      And, remember this, the demonic Jews see ALL of life as a RACIAL WAR; them, against EVERYTHING they do not directly control.

      Therefore, to deal with the demonic Jews morally we must adopt a simple philosophy and practice.

      NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT.

      you wrote:

      The very fact that you try to justify abortion is why Protestants can’t lead. I mean this as no personal insult, but the Church has a bit more experience in these matters, even in its weakened state today. You’re just going to have to trust the best of European minds, that is, our common heritage cultivated for 2,000 years, when it comes to these issues. If the Church is temporarily under some sort of Jewish/Freemasonic control, well, it’s not easy fighting the Jews, while having to fight your own people (the Protestants!) at the same time. We’re doing the best we can. Meanwhile, we will still try to prevent the Jews euthanizing you, like they did to Terry Schiavo. Don’t you see that was the first salvo fired in the battle towards putting the pillows over our faces while we lay convalescing? The Church is still, remarkably, on the frontlines in these life battles, and we will continue fighting. Which side are the Jews on this battle of the Culture of Life vs. the Culture of Death? The same side you’re on. That should give you pause.

      in reply:
      This is a substantial point.

      I mention abortion simply because of its mandated use in the Old Testament, in the fulfillment of – let’s not mince words – racial development through eugenics.

      I agree with you, to a large extent, on the failure of the Protestants to meet their responsibilities, the duties, inherent in leadership.

      After all, with openly homosexual bishops, they can hardly claim moral leadership…

      Quite the contrary.

      And, only one RACE – the White RACE – and only Civilization – Western Civilization, but I repeat myself – even has a Culture of Life.

      you wrote:

      There has to be an absolute respect for the sanctity of human life or we’re all f*cked. It’s that simple. If we cannot agree on that simple maxim, then I see no way we can cooperate. Nevertheless, I hope none of you find yourselves at the Jews’ mercy; but if you do, there will be a “hall-crawler” – like Fr. Paul Scalia – who will enter your room and put his hand around the doctor’s wrist as he reaches for your feeding tube. And then maybe you will get it. And then maybe we can all be friends again.

      in reply:
      Don’t you understand?

      To the demonic Jews, WE ARE NOT “HUMAN.”

      To the materialistic demons known as Jews, we are simply cattle, to be managed, manipulated, and discarded when they have drained the marrow from our bones.

      NOTHING we say REALLY matters, as long as we serve them, in a servile manner.

      The idea that Reform is possible is so terrifying to the demonic Jews, they fight ruthlessly to stop the beginning of speech that is free enough to even identify, much less criticize, their demonic Domination of Humanity,

      THAT is what we do here, at VNN.

      All of the nice euphemisms – “secular humanists,” “antinomian philosophers,” “liberals,” are simply terms that identify various weeds of the demonic vine known as Judaism.

      you wrote:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_X

      Bishop Richard Williamson, SSPX:

      “Supernaturally seen, such a scenario, capable of many adaptations, represents one more in many steps of the Jewish people towards their appointment with God at the end of the world, when, maybe converted by the heroism and endurance of the Catholics undergoing persecution by their Anti-Christ, they will at last convert (Romans, XI) and discover their own true Messiah, Jesus Christ, who has never ceased to love them as his own people. However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ’s throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ.”[51]

      in reply:
      Maybe we can so, in some small part, a little bit of Good here, and get on Bishop Williamson’s Good List.

      How about this?

      Whereas Bishop Williamson speaks of “…one more in many steps of the Jewish people towards their appointment with God at the end of the world,…” perhaps we can help the Jewish people fulfill their “appointment with God” sooner, rather than later.

      Heh, heh, heh.

      More to follow, dealing more explicitly about the duty of a religion to foster the spiritual life of the RACE.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    51. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      I appreciate your remarks. But it seems that we’re at an impasse, so we’ll have to declare a truce. You continue to cite examples of the current *usurped* Church to make your case, including the number of homosexuals, which was an attempt post V-II to ensure the Revolution would continue. Homos hate tradition.

      That’s about as fair as claiming that Russia was responsible for anything Lenin or other Jews did in her name. The same principle is operative. Like I said, there’s some mental block when it comes to the fact that trads stipulate that the usurpers acting in the Church’s name today are revolutionaries. The point doesn’t seem to penetrate somehow.

      BTW, Jesus did not write the book of Apocalypse. St. John wrote it.

      Cheers.

    52. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      One last point, since it seems you and I are the only ones still on this thread:

      I think we all want the same things. But all of what you want is assumed under the Catholic order. If Catholics don’t constantly talk about race, it’s because it’s a given that in a well-ordered society, indeed world, people should live among their own. But that doesn’t mean that we have to hate the “other.” They’re human, too. Yes, we are the elite race, there’s no doubt about that, but it also means we have more responsibility. To whom much is given, and all that.

      We can’t get so proud of our race that we worship it and not the Creator. A healthy pride is natural, ie., pride in your family, your culture, your nation, and race is a part of that. But within a healthy balance, not as a religion in and of itself.

      One thing that convinces me that Jesus really was who he said he was is, ironically enough, how much the Jews hate him. It makes no sense except in the spiritual dimension. If their hatred were only racial, they wouldn’t devote so much time and energy in denigrating Christianity, and attacking its symbols, and promoting the opposite of everything Christianity stand for. They really are “anti-Christ.”

    53. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      you wrote:

      One last point, since it seems you and I are the only ones still on this thread:

      in reply:
      Yes, but we are not the only ones watching this thread!

      you wrote:

      I think we all want the same things. But all of what you want is assumed under the Catholic order. If Catholics don’t constantly talk about race, it’s because it’s a given that in a well-ordered society, indeed world, people should live among their own. But that doesn’t mean that we have to hate the “other.” They’re human, too. Yes, we are the elite race, there’s no doubt about that, but it also means we have more responsibility. To whom much is given, and all that.

      in reply:
      That is part of the issue; we do not “hate the ‘other.’”

      We do not have to.

      But, damn, they sure “hate” us, and our Creation, Civilization, and Western Civilization – but, again, I repeat myself.

      Absent the West, there is No Civilization.

      There are only Cultures that, at best, make it to a certain point, fall apart, and reclimb the same hill, over and over – at best.

      you wrote:

      We can’t get so proud of our race that we worship it and not the Creator. A healthy pride is natural, ie., pride in your family, your culture, your nation, and race is a part of that. But within a healthy balance, not as a religion in and of itself.

      in reply:
      That is the challenge; remember, the Creator gave only one Race – the White RACE, the Western Soul – the power of Creativity.

      It is in carrying this RACE forward, to the Stars, that we transform the Talents He has bestowed upon us, into Capacities that work to His Greater Glory; that is part and parcel of the continuing deed of Christ.

      All other RACES are simply materialistic, and have no pretense of being anything more than Earth-bound entities, incapable of Creating and Sustaining the institutional structures needed to carry Mankind forward.

      It is not the White RACE that I worship; however, that is the RACE that has been chosen to receive greater gifts, and the concomitant greater responsibilities.

      And, if the religion does not serve that purpose, then it must be transformed into something that more accurately reflects the Light of Christ. This will involve abandoning archaic dogma, doctrine, and Institutions of all kinds.

      you wrote:

      One thing that convinces me that Jesus really was who he said he was is, ironically enough, how much the Jews hate him. It makes no sense except in the spiritual dimension. If their hatred were only racial, they wouldn’t devote so much time and energy in denigrating Christianity, and attacking its symbols, and promoting the opposite of everything Christianity stand for. They really are “anti-Christ.”

      in reply:
      JUDAISM IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIANITY.

      Simple as that.

      Anytime the demon-spawned Jews are asked to describe their “religion,” they get all quiet, talk some bluff, and change the subject.

      Ask them where they go when the die, and they do not know, and do not care.

      Their entire focus is on control of THIS world.

      And, we all know whose Kingdom IS “of this world.”

      Thus, Jews are simply nodes through which the Culturally destructive process of Judaism operates.

      That, ironically, is where the Deed of Christ offers the greatest benefit:

      Our Duty is to transform Evil into Good, just as He did, on Calvary.

      The demonic Jews will always seek to keep us based on materialistic conceptions of Mankind, and Humanity, at the expense of the much more accurate, and much greater, and more glorious, definitions of us as made in the Image of God.

      This puts a tremendous opportunity before us, disguised as a tremendous burden.

      Seeing the operations of the Synagogue of Satan as opportunities for us to work on behalf of Righteousness – in some small way, doing God’s Will – by transforming them into opportunities for the Greater Glory of God, is a first step.

      Seeing how we lost control of our Institutions to these demons, and recapturing the Institutions, or, if that is not possible, rebuilding new Institutions that work to the Greater Glory of God, and the greater outworking of God’s Will in the deeds of our RACE, is the least we can do, if we truly wish to do our duty.

      This starts with:

      Family, as the microcosm of RACE;

      RACE, as the macrocosm of Family, and;

      RACE, as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

      Churches that work to fulfill this pattern will probably find the favor of Christ close to hand, in all of their members thoughts, words and deeds.

      If the SSPX Trad Pre VII Roman Catholic Church wishes to join us in this, so much the better…

      For all of us.

      Above all, it is useful for us to remember this:

      Just as the demons known as Jews will ALWAYS work against God, against Christ, against the Christian Church, and against Familes and all RACES save their own, it is important to remember that they are Created, and have no power greater than that allowed them by God.

      In fact, they have no power whatsoever, other than that which we gave them, and can recapture whenever we choose, one word at a time, one deed at a time, and one day at a time.

      If that takes the development of a parallel social order – a New Nation inside the American borders – by assuming the responsibility – from whence derives righteous power – to build alternative social institutions, such as the home schooling movement – so much the better.

      Let’s see the obstacles put before us by the demons as opportunities in disguise, opportunities that we can use to build a much better world for our Families, and our RACE…

      To the Greater Glory of God.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    54. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      There’s a lot I’d like to respond to in your post, but I’m on the East Coast where it’s 1:00 a.m., and being a working and stiff and all…

      If you’re still interested in continuing this conversation, check back tomorrow and I’ll try to post a response then.

      One last thought though: the Jews DO have a power other than what we give them, and it comes not from above. Unwittingly, they serve Christ’s ultimate enemy. I’m convinced that’s where they get all of their insane energy.

    55. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      you wrote:

      One last thought though: the Jews DO have a power other than what we give them, and it comes not from above. Unwittingly, they serve Christ’s ultimate enemy. I’m convinced that’s where they get all of their insane energy.

      in reply:
      I agree that they serve Christ’s ultimate enemy.

      I do not think it is “unwitting,” in the least.

      I agree that their energy is, literally, “insane.”

      Another word is “demonic.”

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    56. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      I’m probably talking to myself here, since it’s unlikely anyone will revisit this thread, but just in case, here’s a bit of info about Bishop Williamson.

      One quote in particular is interesting in that he mentions race. Specifically, he blames white males for not living up to their duties as being in charge of the other races, and in charge of women. At least, that’s how I interpret it. It sounds to me like he’s chiding white men to get back up into the saddle, since he is a white man himself:

      In his November 2005 letter, he referred to “the domination of Jewish finance” in this context: “….St Paul frames the equality of different human races, classes and sexes within Christ. In other words the equality is before God, and will only be fulfilled in Heaven. St Paul would never have dreamt of denying or wiping out the inequality of human differences before men. As to the inequality in this life between Jew and Greek, see Romans and Galatians; between bond and free, see Philemon; between man and woman, see Ephesians and Colossians. The will of God for men on earth is that Catholic save Jew, that the man free look after the bondsman and that the man be head of the woman. So when the white men give up on saving Jews, looking after other races and leading their womenfolk, it is altogether normal for them to be punished respectively by the domination of Jewish finance, by the refusal to follow of the non-white races and by rampant feminism. For by refusing Christ, these whites no longer understand the divine dimension of the true equality between men. Retaining however from Christianity, because it suits their pride, the sense of the value of every man, then all eternity’s equality has to be squeezed into this little life on earth, where it necessarily crushes the hierarchies willed by God between races, classes, and sexes. So by affirming the equality of men without Christ and without eternal life, these white men betray alike Jew and bond and woman…..Then what? Then we need to pray that the much greater disasters soon to take place will open as many eyes as possible, to save as many souls as possible, and if the white men still refuse to convert, let us pray for some great conversions amongst Jews, Muslims and blacks so that they may take over where the whites have left off, and may continue to show us the way to Heaven. So long as God is served, all honour to His servants, of any race, class or sex!”[26]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson

    57. New America Says:

      in reply to St. John Chrysostom:

      Bishop Richardson correctly interprets an issue so many few refuse to see clearly; that the “equality” of all “within Christ” will ONLY be fulfilled in Heaven.

      The idea of human equality becomes enshrined in the triumph of Secular Man, the French Revolution, in spite of the fact that OUr Founders were land-woning aristocrats, superbly educated with private tutors and the best schooling possible.

      I think he is chiding White Men to get back in the saddle, because they are the only men who have successfully formed and developed Civilization.

      The proof is simple:

      When we leave, the lights go out; both the figurative Lights, of Civilization, and the literal lights, that barely hold back the jungle, and the jungle savages, who do all in their power to turn American cities into African colonies.

      I will argue that Christ is the spiritual center of Western Civilization, and the strongest proponents of my position are our hereditary RACIAL enemies, the demonic, Goddamn JEWS. We are, after all, the ONLY RACE, and Christianity is the ONLY religion, that the demons known as JEWS continuously attack.

      I suspect the demons are simply trying to capture the lightning of Western Civilization – the creation of the White RACE – in a jar, where it can be molded to serve their perverted ends.

      We’ll have to DO SOMETHING about that, while we can.

      By the way, Bishop Richardson summarized an excellent tenet of the White Nationalist philosophy when he observed, in his words:

      Then we need to pray that the much greater disasters soon to take place will open as many eyes as possible…

      Or, as we say on VNN, referring to the “Might Is Right” Philosophy of Terrible Tommy Metzger:

      WORSE IS BETTER.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    58. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      “let us pray for some great conversions amongst Jews, Muslims and blacks so that they may take over”

      May I suggest a new vitamin formula? How about some smart nutrients, such as DMAE and l-arginine pyroglutamate?

    59. Stronza Says:

      If Christ is the spiritual center of western civilization, didn’t he know it when he appeared in human form? If so, why did he choose to incarnate as a dzhu? Doesn’t add up for me.

    60. New America Says:

      in reply to Stronza:

      you wrote:

      If Christ is the spiritual center of western civilization, didn’t he know it when he appeared in human form? If so, why did he choose to incarnate as a dzhu? Doesn’t add up for me.

      in reply:
      In fact, Jesus was born of the Tribe of Benjamin, and NOT of the Tribe of Judah.

      Now, of the Twelve Apostles, which one was of the Tribe of Judah?

      Of course.

      Judas.

      Simple as that.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    61. St. John Chrysostom Says:

      That’s was always one of the big problems I had with believing intellectually in Jesus, i.e, why would he choose to come to earth through those vile people – of all peoples on earth? A good friend of mine is of the opinion that God chose precisely those vile people, who had been vile people since way before the time of Christ, precisely as a last ditch effort to try to save them.They can’t say he didn’t try.

      Some of them did in fact accept him, and 11 of the 12 apostles were martyred.But their rejection and assassination of him were an example of how demonic most of them had become. Unfortunately, they spread their poison to the Khazars, who were apparently a pretty vile group of people in their own right, and, well, now we’re all set to await the reign of the anti-Christ.

      The Jews await their Messiah who will be the anti-Christ. After that, who knows exactly what will happen. It won’t be like the “Left Behind” series, where Christian Zionists get beamed up and the rest of us are left behind to be killed at Armageddon, but it will be pretty bad. This has been building up for 2,000 years. I think they hate Jesus more now then when they killed him 2,000 years ago! It will be interesting.

    62. New America Says:

      in reply to Stronza:

      you wrote:

      If Christ is the spiritual center of western civilization, didn’t he know it when he appeared in human form? If so, why did he choose to incarnate as a dzhu? Doesn’t add up for me.

      in reply:
      The genealogy tells us Jesus was born of the Tribe of Benjamin, just like the OT prophesied.

      He was NOT born of the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe of the hookpnosed demons who are of their Father, the Devi.

      Of the Twelve Apostles, which one was of the Tribe of Judah?

      Judas.

      And what is Judas famous for?

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    63. New America Says:

      As always, the larger issue is this:

      YOU CAN ONLY CENSOR THE TRUTH.

      THAT is why WE are censored by ALL of the false flag organizations, and the demons known as Jews – who control those organizations, directly or indirectly – make sure every side of The Story gets told but OUR side.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!