29 March, 2009

Comments on ‘Memories of Madison’: White Ethno-Nationalism and Zionism

Posted by Socrates in Kevin MacDonald, Socrates, Zionism at 1:43 pm | Permanent Link

by Dr. Kevin MacDonald.

“I received many positive responses to my VDARE.com article ‘Memories of Madison: My life in the New Left’ — quite a few from people who went through similar experiences. I hope that some of these people would write up their experiences. They are very valuable as a firsthand account of history. Another column based on others’ experiences would certainly have quite a bit of interest.

A lot of us are still ‘getting over’ those days, and there can be little doubt that the sensibilities of the 1960s are a major ingredient in our current cultural malaise. The big story of the 20th century in the US is a struggle for influence by the Jewish-dominated left. The Jewish Old Left was contained during the 1950s by the influence of McCarthyism. But the breakthrough of the New Left into the mainstream culture in the 1960s has had a very large influence on current cultural norms, especially on elite attitudes toward immigration and multiculturalism. As I mentioned in the article, the implicit agenda of the Jewish left has been the general displacement of non-Jewish whites.”

[VNN Forum].

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  7. 15 Responses to “Comments on ‘Memories of Madison’: White Ethno-Nationalism and Zionism”

    1. old_dutch Says:

      Apollonian it’s pretty obvious that you didn’t read the posted article by Dr. MacDonald. Itz all about you isn’t it? LOL.

    2. apollonian Says:

      “Old Dutch”–Too Clever, By Half
      (Apollonian, 29 Mar 09)

      “Old dutch,” actually I did read relevant article by MacDonald–so what? I still consider my response is relevant, regardless, why not?–u certainly don’t say.

      And so what if it is “all about me,” as u say–as long as it’s useful to overall cause of anti-semitism, etc.?

      Finally, “old dutch,” in this case, “it’s all about u” making out regarding me, now, isn’t it? U’re such a clever guy–no wonder we’re doing so well against ZOG-Mammon. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    3. old_dutch Says:

      What could be the single most important real world political arguement that Dr. MacDonald has ever made, and you didn’t read it. LOL.

      I hope that Alex comments on this polemic by MacDonald, because he anticipated it.

    4. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      “And I, like the gross fool I was, drank it all in.”

      Which flavor?


    5. old_dutch Says:

      I think that there is a reading comprehension problem here on the VNN blog. I realize that MacDonald is a college prof, but, this subject isn’t that dense.

      I’m surprised that MacDonald’s call for a quid pro quo with the jews hasn’t been noticed:

      “I would be willing to make a quid pro quo with the organized Jewish community: If you support white ethno-nationalism in the US and provide intensive, effective support for ending and reversing the immigration policy of recent decades (i.e., something approaching the support you presently provide Israel), I would be willing to go to the wall to support Jewish ethno-nationalism in Israel, even at substantial cost for the US. The fact that a miniscule number of Jews — none of them part of the main Jewish activist organizations that have been so destructive to white ethno-nationalism — are immigration patriots and see value in America as a European civilization is certainly not a reason for someone like me to support Jewish ethno-nationalism.”

      Contrast this with what Alex Linder has written a number of times saying, that the jews force duels to the death with the gentiles, which the jews lose. It is the history & mindset of the jew.

      I hope Alex is feeling strong enough to comment.

    6. gw Says:

      “I would be willing to make a quid pro quo with the organized Jewish community”

      The fact is that you can’t force a truce on the other side until it sees it is getting nowhere and that you have it matched. In this case, the Jews and their non-white allies have been winning their assault on us for most of the past century, and the confused, disorganized whites – gentiles, whatever you want to call them – have been on the losing end consistently. The Jews have no reason to call off the battle and lay down their arms when they have been winning.

      If they suddenly stopped winning (as perhaps in Israel) and found themselves checkmated or at a disadvantage, then they might be willing to consider terms. At least for a time. But I would still be highly distrustful of their sincerity in any such truce. They are high-stakes gamblers and they are determined to win and prevail, at any cost, in any way, and nothing else. As said above, they seem to go for duels to the death, even when it’s folly on their part.

    7. gw Says:

      The above suggestion that we make a deal with them, smacks very much of another poster here (not seen lately) who had a nasty duel with Capt.Chaos about a month ago. That one had also recommended that we come to terms with the Jews, incorporate them into ourselves, make friends with them. intermarry with them, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s from the same person.

      (As for befriending, inter-marrying, etc., havent many gentiles done exactly that? Has that made any difference in alleviating the Jewish assault against the West??)

    8. Junghans Says:

      Kmac can’t be serious. It’s a genetic-biological race war to the bitter end, and they declared it. Kapitulieren niemals!

    9. Captainchaos Says:

      MacDonald’s adumbration of ‘coming to an arrangement’ with Jewry must be tactical, to show himself as being a fair and reasonable man. Because, if he takes his one theoretical work seriously, we can infer he is not serious that such an ‘arrangement’ would be viable long term. If he does take his theoretical work seriously, and he is serious in his proposal, we must recognize he is no revolutionary as we are. Further we must recognize only revolutionary action will save our race, and if MacDonald is found wanting for revolutionary solutions, we should thank him for his help, but reject his leadership; assuming MacDonald has any pretensions of leadership.

    10. gw Says:

      “assuming MacDonald has any pretensions of leadership.”

      I don’t think he does. He was just doing his scholarly, scientific research, not fully aware of where it was leading him. (I think he has somewhere said that himself.) Then, suddenly, all hell broke loose and he didn’t realize what he had gotten himself into. He wasn’t looking for this fight, but now he’s in it anyway.

      It was like stumbling into a meeting of the Mafia, when he was really just looking for the men’s room!

    11. shabbos s. shabazz Says:

      Reminds me of the time I was walking around Bass Lake (Western Sierra) in 1965. All of a sudden, I found myself in the middle of a Hell’s Angels camp. Fear and loathing.

      I provided a shit eating grin, and tip-toed away.

    12. Justin Huber Says:

      I think he’s saying this tongue in cheek. Whites in this country have long been expected to back the ethno-national state of Israel while, at the same time, watching our own white society slip away. In other words ethno-nationalism is fine for the jews but not OK for whites. Or, there’s the other example of jew approved racism against arabs which was rampant and quite acceptable after 911. By the way, I’m not saying this because I’m any great supporter of Arabs or more specifically Arab immigration into the United States or Europe. I do, however, think the Arabs have a legitimate gripe against the jews.

    13. Ein Says:

      “By the way, I’m not saying this because I’m any great supporter of Arabs or more specifically Arab immigration into the United States or Europe. I do, however, think the Arabs have a legitimate gripe against the jews.”

      I agree with that. But while I feel sympathy for the Arabs, I also think that it’s important for us to stay out of other people’s fights. As Pres. Adams said, “We are the friends of Liberty everywhere, but we are the guardians only of our own.” Wise words! If only we would heed them!

      Also, any cop will tell you that family fights are the worst kind of fights. And this Palestiniean thing is a family fight between two groups of Semites squabbling over a piece of real estate. We should stay completely away from it. Someday, they’ll kiss and make up. For us, it’s poison. Whatever we do, we can’t win.

    14. Justin Huber Says:

      Ein, I agree with you 100%. This is essentially a blood feud between two Semitic peoples.

    15. Howdy Doody Says:


      Gene Burn’s Third hour of the April 6 so called Talk Radio, a station heard from Baja CA. to Finland at night, had this host Burns state in the last half hour of this three hour show that I just tuned into that WHITES are the Majority of Child molesters, and when the caller tried to talk about the extent in the West of invader rapes and Child inpregnation the caller was called a Racist etc.