21 September, 2009

Alex Linder on Women vs. Men

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“What a perfect illustration the girl is of the difference between male and female intelligence. The girl is obviously smart. She gives the ‘right’ answer – which to a female is always the textbook answer, what the tea(c)her or book says is correct. Not one female in 1,000,000 can think differently than this. Women are repeaters. It is not in them to originate or create anything but a baby except in the most unusual case. This girl is the perfect example of why I say smart girls always come across like ball-retrieving dogs, all but waving their tails. Or parrots. That ‘I said what you wanted’ pleasedness on their face is just funny, I used to sit back in AP English and just enjoy the show. Plenty of women are smart, but only in a mechanical sense. You can just tell the blonde girl would be bereft if she had to figure any real problem out by the way she shrinks when she hears something that has blood and mud on its muzzle. Smart women are just able to access the answer authority wants to hear quicker than others – but they can’t truly think about anything. It really is true, what Schopenhauer (said) – men are what is referred to when we speak of humans. Women are just ways of getting new men. I truly wonder if anybody has ever calculated the incalculable loss to human technical and artistic creation in spending such a high percentage of our dollars the last 100 years ‘educating’ muds, retards and women.”

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  7. 215 Responses to “Alex Linder on Women vs. Men”

    1. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      I might quibble with Mr Linder over his numbers. The number of intelligent White women who are capable of original thought is surely more that 1 in a 1000 and possibly more than 1 in a 100. It is certainly less than 1 in 10.

      The 14th Amendment said that male Negroes were smart enough to vote. This wounded America a bit. The 19th Amendment said that women were smart enough to vote. This was a fatal blow.

    2. Luke Says:

      I saw a graphic illustration a few years ago that charted the growth and size and intrusiveness of the Federal Government since 1922 and women being given the right to vote. What it proved and what was indisputable was that giving women the right to vote had a direct and negative influence over the growth, size and intrusiveness of government – which, evidently, our racist and bigoted Founding Pappy’s were wise and forward thinking enough to anticipate when they set this nation up and deliberately restricted the right to vote to only those white men who had proven themselves to be worthy and who had a stake in their communities, visi vi, land ownership.

      Hence, I have to again applaud Linder for his excellent analysis of this subject.

      Women are worth their weight in gold, if they are willing to make the invaluable contributions to their race that Mother Nature bestowed upon their gender-and white females who accept this honorable role should and must be viewed as the heroines that they truly are. But those who despise their own sexuality and the role of motherhood are obviously not to be revered in any special way, because they are working for the enemy who lusts for our extinction.

      And, most of these women are totally clueless to this subject.

    3. 13colonies Says:

      As long as white nationalisit men continue to think this way, there will be no progress in the cause. Women are half the world. If you boys don’t like women, you might as well all go homo and be honest about it.

    4. Howdy Doody Says:

      13colonies Says:

      21 September, 2009 at 6:12 pm

      Liking/loving women is a Solar system distance in sanity by giving Women any political Power in a Nation!

      Look what happened to this ex Nation since Women starting stirring the pot.

    5. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      White Women may be half the world but most of them don’t know when they are in over their head. As a general rule, they must be ruled by wise yet just men.

    6. Howdy Doody Says:

      By getting the Vote.

      The vote for women was treason and suicide IMO.

      Women as a group have the government as their first Husband.

    7. Blackshirt Says:

      I suspect Linder has a deep seated hatred of women. Some woman in his past broke his heart and trampled on his ego, or mommy didn’t give him enough love. Either way, there’s definitely an undercurrent of woman hatred going on here. Dude, get laid!

    8. Antagonistes Says:

      I see the truth in what Alex is saying.

      I myself am married to a woman who graduated second in her college class. But it is I who taught her real creative thinking.

      Hell, I didn’t even try in college and made fairly good grades.

      I spent most of my time in the library, really searching for some solid answers, answers I was not getting.

      Alex is, of course, speaking in generalities, but generalities are true for a reason.

    9. Cowboy Zeke Says:

      When we think of the amount of money wasted attempting to educate niggers and tards, we must also think of all of the return we have lost on not educating men, and the losses we have incurred by miseducating men, making them feel guilty or patriotardic and then sending them off to war to die, to be wounded inside and out, and to mix with muds, creating less intelligent offspring.

    10. Adam Says:

      Howdy Doody Says:

      Women as a group have the government as their first Husband.

      Profoundly true. Also: A race that loses control of its women is doomed, because its means of reproduction has been captured. That’s why race-mixing women evoke a deep, primeval disgust in any normal man. But the same thing is actually true when women are lost control of to the government, aka the technological system. Whether a woman wants to kill her unborn child, prevent conception, or get help with the expenses of raising her very own niglet, Big Daddy government is there to step in and give her money taken from white men at gunpoint.

    11. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      Nobody has mentioned the Jew divorce lawyer who turns White men into slaves of their money grubbing ex-wife. Women must be ruled by a stern get wise man.

    12. Adam Says:

      Donald E. Pauly Says:

      Women must be ruled by a stern get wise man.

      As Nietzsche has Zarathustra say: “Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiß die Peitsche nicht!”

      [Loosely: When you go among women, don’t forget to bring your whip!]

    13. Doug Says:

      I often notice that women’s taste in decoration tends towards wastefulness, towards external symbolism but without substance, like fake flowery ornamentation and excessively large furniture, in preference to actual real plants and lower-maintenance furniture. So many males apparently succumb to the Jewish-pushed theme of the gay male interior designer, that only women and gay males should take an interest in what a home should contain. This has allowed wasteful and useless shit to be promoted as fashionable for interiors of homes, such as random huge pots with fake cat-tail type plants, or similar shit you find at Kirkland’s or HGTV.

    14. Leucocyte Says:

      Its difficult for me to agree with Alex 100% on this one. Its difficult to agree or disagree at this point because I don’t really see modern men as being very much different than women.

      Ask a modern “man” the questions “did the Holocaust happen? are niggers stupid? are Jews a race of liars?” and 99.9% will give the wrong answers and be offended that you could even ask such a thing.

      The founding fathers wisely kept the vote from women, but they were just as foolish to allow mob rule by men. Independent thought, truly independent thought, is astonishingly rare among men and women alike. Only the smallest fraction of men or women have the capacity for self-determination.

    15. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      Leucocyte says:
      <>

      This is true but the actual numbers are important. Perhaps one White man in 10 has it, and perhaps one White woman in a 1000 has it.

      I am reminded of the Argentine Proverb which translates loosely:
      “The good woman and the bad woman both need the rod.”

    16. Lutjens Says:

      LOL @ Doug. Wow dude that is sooooo true. I cannot get over how lost women are when it comes to common sense. Jesus fucking Christ.

    17. Lee Luttrell Says:

      HEY…Blackshirt…This thread ought to keep you busy for the next week.

    18. Honkey Tonk Man Says:

      White women need to be given attention and love every single day. They need to be spoiled and told how beautiful they look when they dress up because your taking them out.
      ”’They need to know as a white man you will kill to protect her!

      ….Yet as white men we have failed them because every year all across the white nations tens upon tens of thousands of them are raped and murdered by non-white savages!
      ….when any outside group starts fucking with and abusing your women then all bets are off the table!
      ..it’s …TOTAL WAR!

      …I love white women. They are the best looking women in the world.

      …..”a word to the enemies of the white race”:

      THE NAZI’S WHERE JUST A WARM-UP
      …THE NEXT TIME THE HOLOCAUST WILL BE REAL!

    19. Jim Giles Says:

      Many women I see in professional jobs today who are overpaid and incompetent at what they do deserve the description Alex details.

      But I think men deserve the harsher criticism today than women. Let’s face it boys, you are a bunch of fucking pussies. Remember that scene in Deliverance in the woods where they make that fat white boy squeal like a pig. I think that description of white men should be put to words like Alex has done for feminist women and you would have described the bigger problem today.

      I think it’s nothing short of a laughing stock to suggest you are a White Nationalist and do it behind a pseudonym. I can think of some exceptions to this rule of mine but those individuals I can count on one hand, e.g., a brilliant military political economic genius. But most of us ain’t geniuses. And if you are gonna run your mouth do it with your legal name. Otherwise, henceforth remember the sound of that squealing pig by that fat boy in Deliverance and you’ll know what you truly sound like.

      And don’t forget there are women who can bring you to your knees and there are women at The Occidental Observer who are maternal and feminine who deserve respect. Maternal and feminine strengths are essential to our happiness and survival.

      Probably women act the way they do because of the way men act.

      Follow me!

    20. Karen Says:

      A mob can never properly rule. History shows us this over and over. I would dare to say that the Aryan men have been the ones taken in by the joos much more than other races of men. The adherence to christanity certainly did not come from White women who did not rule whatsoever long ago. There have even been rather intelligent men in leadership who became useful ediots and served the joos. There should be celebration of differences of male and female instead of insults and negative remarks about the differences. Men with lots of complaints about women show signs of homosexuality.

    21. Blackshirt Says:

      Lee Luttrell Says:

      “HEY…Blackshirt…This thread ought to keep you busy for the next week.”

      Why bother? Most of these dudes just hate women, pure and simple. I might as well go and beat my head against the wall.

      Honkey Tonk Man says:

      ”They need to know as a white man you will kill to protect her!
      ….Yet as white men we have failed them because every year all across the white nations tens upon tens of thousands of them are raped and murdered by non-white savages!”

      Correct. Everything we see as negative in our women today is the result of White men not living up to our side of the bargain. White men let the Jews run the media and pervert the ethics and morals of our women. The Jews only have as much power as traitorous White people let them have.

      Karen says:

      “I would dare to say that the Aryan men have been the ones taken in by the joos much more than other races of men. The adherence to Christianity certainly did not come from White women who did not rule whatsoever long ago.”

      I agree.

    22. Jim Giles Says:

      High IQ & Genius IQ
      Genius IQ is generally considered to begin around 140 to 145, representing ~.25% of the population (1 in 400). Here’s a rough guide:

      115-124 – Above average (e.g., university students)
      125-134 – Gifted (e.g., post-graduate students)
      135-144 – Highly gifted (e.g., intellectuals)
      145-154 – Genius (e.g., professors)
      155-164 – Genius (e.g., Nobel Prize winners)
      165-179 – High genius
      180-200 – Highest genius
      >200 – “Unmeasurable genius”

      Are you a White Genius or a White Pig?

      “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

    23. Adam Says:

      Leucocyte Says:

      The founding fathers wisely kept the vote from women, but they were just as foolish to allow mob rule by men. Independent thought, truly independent thought, is astonishingly rare among men and women alike. Only the smallest fraction of men or women have the capacity for self-determination.

      Hear! Hear!

      If you examine the data from past elections, you find out that white women don’t vote all that differently from white men. In pastPresidential elections, for example, they have mainly voted Republican. Women aren’t to blame for the fact that BOTH parties are anti-white.

      One major problem is also a fault of technological systems generally. Adam’s Law: Technological systems always grow in complexity until the average citizen has neither the time nor the mental capacity to master the information necessary to understand them. This leads to an over-reliance on “experts”, who in our Jew-dominated society tend to be hook-noses themselves, or beholden to the tribe, and makes the people ripe for exploitation by clever propagandists.

      The global technological system therefore has built-in totalitarian tendencies that play into Jewish genetic strengths, and against white genetic weaknesses. As Dr. MacDonald says in The Culture of Critique, whites tend to develop democratic forms of government, while the genetics of the Jew are more adapted to totalitarianism. Destruction of the global technological system will restore freedom, and change the environment back to one favoring whites.

    24. Jim Giles Says:

      “Destruction of the global technological system will restore freedom, and change the environment back to one favoring whites.”

      You have convinced me. I’m ready to start in the morning. Please tell me precisely what to do in order to destroy the global technological system.

      Adam is a great example of a White Pig. Now I believe there are others out there who are uncomfortable with their anonymity, who wear it like a shirt that fits too tight around the collar and are just rip roaring ready to strip that sucker off. Do it. Do it now.

      In the meantime, just remember you are keeping company with ‘Adam,’ a genuine White Pig.

      “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

    25. Tim McGreen Says:

      Colleges and Universities these days are over-run with spoiled, silly White girls who major in stupid things like business administration and psychology, when they should be married to a decent White guy and giving birth to HIS children. The role of a young White woman is not to compete against White men for jobs or to get drunk and make fools of themselves at Mardi Gras or on Spring Break. It is to propagate the White Race.

      And with a few remarkable exceptions, the intelligence of most young White co-eds is limited to what the teacher or professor expects them to learn in class. No more, no less. The rest of the time they are engaged in mindless chatter or other trivial activites.

      Sewing, cooking, cleaning and raising babies is all that most White girls need to know. The overwhelming majority of “working girls” or “career girls” are unhappy in their situation and want a strong, repsonsible White man to take care of them. Let’s not dance around this subject anymore. Feminism is a Jewish invention designed to create conflict between gentile men and women. I for one have had enough of it.

    26. Janet Says:

      Articles like this really bother me.

      White Nationalists need to continue to band together women and men. If you alienate half of society, all you’ll have is white males and without women, you’ll die off. If I were a woman reading this website for the first time, I’d be terribly turned off.

      I have 3 white male neighbors who have no kids. All over 40 and never married. All they do it sit at home on the weekend and whine why they don’t have a g/f or a wife. If they actually got off their ass and actually tried to meet women, they might start to have a family. They’re all good looking successful men. It’s really quite sad. I know the one hasn’t had a g/f in over 2 years. No reason for it.

      I have to work or I’d starve. If I were married and my husband wanted me home to cook and clean, I’d happily comply.

      As a widow I no longer have the financial support of a man to help me along. I’d love to get married again but men in my area have no balls. I will get men quite often give me THEIR number and ask me to call them. When hell freezes over.

      Men can’t have it both ways. If you want to get married or have a family, you actually have to get away from the computer, initiate a conversation and get the ball rolling. The men on this forum are very smart, no reason to be single.

      There are plenty of white nationalist women like myself who are traditional, who cook, sew and have clean houses. I keep a very clean house and I’m a good cook. But for some reason men have completely lost their balls and are complete pussies. I’ve noticed this in the last few years.

      So gentleman, some of the blames lies within you.

    27. Jim Giles Says:

      ‘Tim McGreen,’ You demand that women be women, soft and sweet homemakers but where is your true manhood that would compel a woman to ‘submit?’

      Most women do want to ‘submit’ to a real man but not to some anonymous coward.

      I deem you a White Pig and not a White Genius if you place the bulk of the blame on women and not men.

      I’ve run countless times for congress down here and you stinkin’ pussies, aka White Men, better known as White Pigs will not stand up with me. Not yet anyway.

      Alex uses his real name; I use my real name; why exactly will you not use your real name?

      “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

    28. Adam Says:

      Looks like “Jim Giles” is drunk again.

      Leave me out of your homosexual fantasies, will ya “Jim”?

    29. Jim Giles Says:

      ‘Adam,’ Jim Giles is my real name; more precisely Jimmy Darrell Giles; I live at 173 Pear Lane, Pearl, Mississippi, 39208. But my property is fenced with lots of dogs behind it and I wouldn’t suggest stepping one foot on it.

      I have no homosexual desires whatsoever; I am strictly and exclusively and desperately attracted to beautiful women. There is nothing like a pretty girl to make you feel good!

      You strike me however as a genuine and bona fide, White Pig.

      “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

    30. Howdy Doody Says:

      James Dickey the dung miner and his sick book, that the enemy aliens made in to a movie sickly slandering Whites and especially White Southerner’s was/is a crime that has not yet met with the bar of justice.

      Nothing funny about it.

    31. Ein Says:

      The 14th Amendment said that male Negroes were smart enough to vote. This wounded America a bit. The 19th Amendment said that women were smart enough to vote. This was a fatal blow.

      Well, they didn’t really say ANYTHING about smartness at all.
      Regrettably.

    32. Ein Says:

      “They need to know as a white man you will kill to protect them!

      ….Yet as white men we have failed them because every year all across the white nations tens upon tens of thousands of them are raped and murdered by non-white savages!
      ….when any outside group starts fucking with and abusing your women then all bets are off the table!
      ..it’s …TOTAL WAR!

      …………………………………………………..

      HT Man speaks good sense, as some others here are doing too.

      White men in the USA have lost their status as providers and protectors. Woman no longer need them (so much).
      In the present age, as Howdy said, the government has become their de facto husband.
      Meantime, blacks are everywhere presented (via the media) as , cool, strong, sexy, and “vibrant”.

      As Adam has pointed out elsewhere, females (of whatever race or species) have little or no fundamental racial loyalty. Their principal and overriding concern is for their offspring. In their own genetic self-interest, they will be attracted to the most powerful alpha-male who can provide and protect. By the nature of motherhood, a woman desires above all security. Power and status (or the appearance thereof), are the most important considerations that will sway her.

      If women see (as they do) that white men are no longer in charge, then they will go for those who ARE in charge. Or those who appear to be.

      Whose fault is that?

    33. Max Grubman Says:

      I find this entire thread extremely demeaning, even as a man. All you people do is hate, whether it’s women, Jews or African-Americans. Shame on you all.

    34. Arminius Says:

      “Whose fault is that?”
      Definitely not ours. The conspiracy works relentlessly for decades, well, centuries to squeeze the male gender into submission. Whether religion- any of them-, priests, capitalists, vote for niggers, women, divorce- and other laws, wars, baseball, alcohol, you name it, every thought, means, law, action is applied against us.
      And who is on top of all that? White race traitors, men without balls, whimps, all pushed upwards, duly elected- because nobody else gets a fair chance against them.
      What will you do? Shoot them? Useless. Another bunch of that scum steps forward to replace them. And they will eliminate you in punishment.
      Leaders with instinct to serve nation and race are extremely rare, and have been the first target by this despicable system.
      So, what can be done to enlist the other half of the white population to our cause? Correctly observed or not, Linder’s comments are not helpful.

      I believe, most posters here who want to see women as an ally and mate are wiser than those who can offer only the whip. After all, not submission, but a will to complement each other was the base of the old Germanic marriage and society. The old folk legends reveal a lot about it. This is our subconscious base- we all agree, the negro or oriental male has a completely different attitude to the female- but we have no respect for it.
      The question Linder should think about is how to make white women race conscious.

    35. Bret Ludwig Says:

      The male and the female are equally important to any species and ours is no exception. But they must have differing roles and the more evolved the species the greater the difference.

      Women should make the decisions in the home,such as how meals are to be served, the general type of decor (given limits the breadwinner, i.e. the male must set) rules the children must follow and so forth. Men should make the greater, outward looking decisions.

    36. Tim McGreen Says:

      No one here is seriously talking about whipping anyone into submission. Women just want a guy who is responsible and hard-working enough to take of her and the family that they’ll have together. But unfortunately and for whatever reason a lot of White men today have figuratively lost their balls. As Dr. Pierce has said, they have become over-socialized and feminized. And they have no intention of even trying to support afamily household without their wives working full-time, too.

      In the old days, a father would ask his potential son-in-law how he plans to support his little girl and a family. But it seems nowadays that most White fathers don’t even care what kind of irresponsible losers their daughters marry. And where are the Sonny Corleones to beat the shit out of their sister Connie’s abusive bum of a husband anymore? Is it any wonder so many White women have lost their respect for White men, even their own husbands, brothers and fathers?

    37. Tim McGreen Says:

      At any rate, all of those female-oriented courses and majors in so-called institutions of higher learning ought to be abolished. Only the most academically serious and intellectually gifted White females should be permitted to enroll, women like the great Hanna Reitsch, for example. The rest should find a good husband, get married, stay at home, raise a family AND KEEP THEIR YAPS SHUT.

    38. Vaultner Says:

      I’d have to say that granting women the right to vote was the beginning of the end for American politics. But that was only leaving the door ajar the real problem was the feminist movement. I.E. how they vote.

      I used to laugh when I’d hear “career women” talk about how long it would take them to retire, when in the fifties for most of them had it made. Wake up get the kids off to school, do a little cleaning / shopping whatever, chat with the other girls in the neighborhood, plan dinner, tough life huh?

      There’s an old English maxim on women that goes “Teach them to spell cat & that’s all”. A little deranged & coming from cheese heads it’s not surprising. I believe in educating women but a woman’s place is in the home. They are as much the victims of the jewish conspiracy as any of us maybe even more so. I’ve always enjoyed conversations with educated / intelligent women, it stimulates the mind.

      I do however appreciate the above Argentinean quote with restraint “The good woman and the bad woman both need the rod.” But that’s altogether a different kind of education.

    39. Tim McGreen Says:

      If you don’t show a woman who’s boss, she’ll never respect you. Women WANT to submit to a man, they don’t want to be his “equal” or his “partner”.

    40. Antagonistes Says:

      White men, some of them, perhaps a lot, ARE pussies.

      God, I hate to bring this up, but the “streaking” craze of the early seventies was mostly males.

      What was that, if not a bunch of gay-boys showing off their disgusting butts?

      And the press encouraged it . . . wonder why?

    41. Jim Giles Says:

      >Howdy Doody Says:

      22 September, 2009 at 12:03 am

      James Dickey the dung miner and his sick book, that the enemy aliens made in to a movie sickly slandering Whites and especially White Southerner’s was/is a crime that has not yet met with the bar of justice.

      Nothing funny about it.<

      I wasn’t trying to be funny; I’m not a comedian; I am fed up with this anonymous crap! Unless you are a genius, in which case I give you a bye.

      For me, waging revolution is now like keeping bees; I’m only interested in starting and building a nucleus; beekeepers use the term nucs, i.e., a small hive that is used to start and build from.

      You boys, merit slander; let’s not play pretend; my respect will follow immediately and completely when you start acting like White Men by using your Real Legal Name.

      Until then, “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

      Honor and Courage.

      Follow me!

    42. Heather Blue Says:

      Alex’s post could have been written by Henry Louis Mencken.

    43. Blackshirt Says:

      “Jim Giles”

      No one cares how much of a man you think you are because you aren’t “anonymous”. Most of us need to make a living, so we don’t put our name out there in cyberspace for everyone and the FBI to see. You, on the other hand must not have a job or a business, for if you did you would be more careful about your identity.

      Of course, the other possibility is that you are an agent provocateur who wants to deliberately encourage others to sacrifice their anonymity so it will be easier to track them for federal agencies. Agent provocateurs are ALWAYS big mouths and encouraging others to take things a step further. Hal Turner anyone?

      So please spare us the preaching, internet hero.

    44. Vaultner Says:

      Heather Blue Said:
      “Alex’s post could have been written by Henry Louis Mencken.”

      I find this a little disconcerting excerpts from:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencken

      Henry Louis “H. L.” Mencken (September 12, 1880 – January 29, 1956), was an American journalist, essayist, magazine editor, satirist, acerbic critic of American life and culture, and a student of American English. Mencken, known as the “Sage of Baltimore”, is regarded as one of the most influential American writers and prose stylists of the first half of the 20th century.

      Mencken is known for writing The American Language, a multi-volume study of how the English language is spoken in the United States, and for his satirical reporting on the Scopes trial, which he named the “Monkey” trial

      Instead of arguing that one race or group was superior to another, Mencken believed that every community — whether the community of train porters, blacks, newspapermen, or artists — produced a few people of clear superiority. He considered groupings on a par with hierarchies, which led to a kind of natural elitism and natural aristocracy. “Superior” individuals, in Mencken’s view, were those wrongly oppressed and disdained by their own communities, but nevertheless distinguished by their will and personal achievement — not by race or birth. Based on his achievement and work ethic, Mencken considered himself a member of this group.

      He did much to defend Theodore Dreiser, despite freely admitting his faults, including stating forthrightly that Dreiser often wrote badly and was a gullible man.

      Theodore Dreiser
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dreiser

      Politically, Dreiser was involved in several campaigns against social injustice. This included the lynching of Frank Little, one of the leaders of the Industrial Workers of the World, the Sacco and Vanzetti case, the deportation of Emma Goldman, and the conviction of the trade union leader Tom Mooney. In November 1931 Dreiser led the National Committee for the Defense of Political Prisoners to the coalfields of southeastern Kentucky, where they took testimony from coal miners in Pineville and Harlan on the violence against the miners and their unions by the coal operators.

      Dreiser was a committed socialist, and wrote several non-fiction books on political issues. These included Dreiser Looks at Russia (1928), the result of his 1927 trip to the Soviet Union, and two books presenting a critical perspective on capitalist America, Tragic America (1931) and America Is Worth Saving (1941). His vision of capitalism and a future world order with a strong American military dictate combined with the harsh criticism of the latter made him unpopular within the official circles. Although less politically radical friends, such as H.L. Mencken, spoke of Dreiser’s relationship with communism as an “unimportant detail in his life,” Dreiser’s biographer Jerome Loving notes that his political activities since the early 1930s had “clearly been in concert with ostensible communist aims with regard to the working class.”.

      The author died on December 28, 1945 in Hollywood, aged 74.

      So Heather how could it have been written by Mencken?

      Monkey trial? A set up? Satire?

      I say that our society (White society) has been taught to prey on one another by the jew to present social discourse as a means of attrition.

      These early writers mentioned on Wikipedia did more to grant a foot hold of ideas to the jews influence than Hefner or Capote did.

      Perhaps we need in what’s left of the “So called movement” a few good writers of our own presenting subtle ideas into the mainstream.

      Mencken was by description “Illuminati” I’ve not read his works but I fail to see how Alex could by writing as Mencken did.

    45. Joe McGee Says:

      Luke Says:

      21 September, 2009 at 5:56 pm

      “I saw a graphic illustration a few years ago that charted the growth and size and intrusiveness of the Federal Government since 1922 and women being given the right to vote.”

      I saw that same chart Luke, and like anyone else who would see it,
      it removed all doubt in my mind.
      I suppose that was Clinton’s trick. Remember anytime he wanted a bill passed, he appealed to the maternal instincts of women with the “it’s for the children” line.

    46. ein Says:

      “Agent provocateurs are ALWAYS big mouths and encouraging others to take things a step further. Hal Turner anyone? So please spare us the preaching, internet hero.”

      Correct. Your suspicions are justified. I don’t care what his name might be. Nor his address. So why should he care about mine? It’s none of his damn business! Does it matter anyway? Why would he even care? And it has absolutely nothing to do with anything said here. Nor does it change the message.

    47. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      “jim giles”………..my respect will follow immediately and completely when you start acting like White Men by using your Real Legal Name

      uhh……yeh…..right…….well……that’s just “fine & dandy” in the Land of the First (and Second!) Amendments!

      un-fortunately, for most white people living else-where, they can be “dropped on” by the ZOG-bot thought police for so much as yelling “nigger”! (re: Simon Shepphard & Luke O’Farrell!)

      as such: internet anonymity is an absolute must….!……

      but…..if you REALLY want to impress….there’s plenty of “targets” in the ‘Kwa that require the most urgent attention….you could start with the pre-ponderance of jew baby-butchers!…..there’s a few of them “gone south” but there’s plenty more to go around, eh?!?

      now that’s some-thing you can “anonymously” and STILL be a REAL HERO!

    48. O*R*I*O*N Says:

      The virulent misogynism from Alex is going nowhere.

      The principal, basic realization for responsible WN men is this:

      WHITE MALE COWARDICE = WHITE FEMALE RACE-TREASON.

      -Without this reasoning we will never see progress.

      Beauty follows courage. Always has, always will.

    49. Blackshirt Says:

      “The principal, basic realization for responsible WN men is this:

      WHITE MALE COWARDICE = WHITE FEMALE RACE-TREASON.”

      Behind every race traitor White female is a White father who didn’t instill the proper values and who failed as a parent. Very rarely do you see otherwise. Most race traitor sluts I have known were abandoned or mistreated by their White fathers.

    50. Adam Says:

      Jim Giles Says:

      “Destruction of the global technological system will restore freedom, and change the environment back to one favoring whites.”

      You have convinced me. I’m ready to start in the morning. Please tell me precisely what to do in order to destroy the global technological system.

      Okay, here is what I want you to do.

      1. Stop drinking and sober up.

      2. Stop sitting around in your crusty, skidmark-stained underwear, whacking off to the homosexual scene in your favorite movie, “Deliverance”.

      3. Start acting like an adult white man, and use reason and evidence to argue, instead of schoolboy taunts. If you think my arguments are in error, then say why. If you agree they are correct, then you might want to volunteer your own ideas on how to destroy it. If you can’t or won’t do that, then just maintain a dignified silence.

      4. Keep in mind that destroying the global technological system is man’s work. It’s not for schoolboys, drunks, or anyone who is afraid of bloodshed. You have already stated you won’t do anything illegal. If that’s true, there’s nothing else for you to do. You’ll just have to sit the revolution out with the women and children.

    51. O*R*I*O*N Says:

      This woman (among others) inspires me to keep fighting:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g5Z174xp8k&feature=related
      As a loyal germanic man, I feel insulted by Alex’s misogynistic rants on behalf of my kindred, loyal racial sisters.

      This forum is useful for debate and information-sharing e.t.c., but may prove gravely counterproductive if misogynism becomes a major agenda.

      Stop shooting yourself (and everybody else) in the foot, please.

    52. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Blackshirt
      Comment:
      “Jim Giles”

      No one cares how much of a man you think you are because you aren’t “anonymous”. Most of us need to make a living, so we don’t put our name out there in cyberspace for everyone and the FBI to see. You, on the other hand must not have a job or a business, for if you did you would be more careful about your identity.

      Of course, the other possibility is that you are an agent provocateur who wants to deliberately encourage others to sacrifice their anonymity so it will be easier to track them for federal agencies. Agent provocateurs are ALWAYS big mouths and encouraging others to take things a step further. Hal Turner anyone?

      So please spare us the preaching, internet hero.<

      No one cares who you are ‘Blackshirt.’ I am certain of that. I certainly don’t because I know you to NOT be a man and moreover you will NEVER be a man.

      I intend to make you squirm as well you should at being reminded of what God Damn pussies all of you truly are; no matter how right or cogent sounding your arguments would be if authored by a real name rather than a pseudonym; this is the path the Internet has taken and I now oppose it 100 Percent. It is counter-productive and will get us no where. Good for donations and entertainment only.

      As to needing to make a living, I’ve heard this whining for years now and I’m no longer impressed with it. I exempt young ladies from my non-anonymous standard. As for you titular ‘men,’ my advocacy has always been one of Strict Legality and so pray tell how does coming out from under your pseudonym affect your job and income? Law enforcement already knows who you are because of your IP address; it ain’t the FBI you fear it’s your next door neighbor, your friends and your family. I’ve lost most of mine by the way. And keep in mind, I’m only going after a hard core nucleus; I’m recruiting here, searching here for a nucleus that is hard as nails; if you feel uncomfortable by me pointing out your femininity that’s your problem; I can’t help you in the manhood area; either you’ve got it or you don’t.

      I have both a job and a business; I care for my 97 year old grandfather and I am the Registered Agent for Radio Free Mississippi; I also have an emerging small organic farm with cows, chickens, goats, honeybees and vegetables. And my lack of concern in expressing my political views has cost me greatly; I’ve had to fight numerous criminal prosecutions. There have been four (4) State v. Giles criminal cases; 3 were misdemeanors (don’t think for a second that a misdemeanor case is trivial; it can destroy your life just like a felony conviction if you are made to serve jail time which the judge imposed on me in losing at the municipal level, forcing me to appeal to the County level where I prevailed as I did in them all) and the last was a felony prosecution. So I’m not at all impressed with the suggestion that some how I have nothing to lose or that some how my sacrifice is artificial. You fucking pussies!

      As for the Hal Turner comparison, I fail to see one. Hal wanted to be your buddy, your friend, someone you could contribute money to; he demanded nothing of genuine value from you; did he ever mention the word Honor? Did he care what your real name was? Hal talked about killing judges; there is a world of difference between me and Hal. How, specifically, are me and Hal similar?

      Internet hero? I’m mostly ignored; my website gets very few hits; most people don’t know who I am; I don’t get the press that other true Internet heroes receive, e.g., Dr. Duck, Hal Turner, Bill White; I’m sure you can think of others. Wonder why that is?

      ‘Blackshirt,’ et al. “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

      Honor and Courage.

      Follow me!

    53. Joe McGee Says:

      Great post Alex, is that why, at one time, you appointed Elisha and Aimee simultaneously as VNN Administrators. Or is an Administrator not a position of power?

    54. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: ein
      Comment:
      “Agent provocateurs are ALWAYS big mouths and encouraging others to take things a step further. Hal Turner anyone? So please spare us the preaching, internet hero.”

      Correct. Your suspicions are justified. I don’t care what his name might be. Nor his address. So why should he care about mine? It’s none of his damn business! Does it matter anyway? Why would he even care? And it has absolutely nothing to do with anything said here. Nor does it change the message.<

      Suspicions? I have none in regard to you fucking pussies; stop pretending to be something you are not, 1. Men and 2. White Nationalists.

      I’ve been attracted to Alex’s last two posts that have to do with masculinity, the Buchanan piece and now this one. In both he raises the issue of manhood; you boys have none; you may be good debaters, have respectable points but so what; you pretend to be tough guys; you pretend to be men; I’m calling you out on it; I’ve not heard a valid reason yet as to why you can’t show some real courage for a change.

      It has everything to do with Alex’s post, Women vs. Men; my point is you ain’t real men!!! And you fucking know it!

      The only message that matters is the one that elicits a physical act, a Strictly Legal Physical Act, a Political Campaign. It starts with shuckin’ the anonymity.

      Please tell me precisely your fears. What will happen if you start using your Real Legal Name?

    55. 2050 Says:

      It’s really not about ‘blaming’ women or men folks.

      That wasn’t the point.

      The jew Marx laid out the plan on paper. One key part of the plan was to get women to vote. The result would be that many women would negate the votes of their husbands. This is what happened.

      It was a very well thought out plan. They get to always use terms that sound good like equality and rights, while any attempt to return to the way it was would be used to call men opressive and chauvinist and bigots.

      This wasn’t done without thinking of the men too. Many things were used to distract and wear us out, including sports and wars and by controlling many times, our choice at the polls by either controlling the candidates or controlling our perception of them through the media.

      The old white way did not require beating women or ‘oppressing’ them. Just natural roles. The jew used propaganda to rile them up.

      Jim, i applaud you for living the life you do and doing the things you do, though you may call me a pussy in return. If the law already knows who I am, then I don’t need to tell them. Nor do I need whatever assorted antis and weirdos calling on me. Yes my family friends and neighbors(the ones i know, anyway) do know my politics and racial views. So did my employer. So does anyone I come in contact with esp. on a regular basis. I try to open the eyes of as many as i can.

    56. misogyn Says:

      Alex dislikes women in a theoretical way. In real life he’s eager to take any domineering cunt aboard to rule (and alienate) the roost. I don’t know why.

      As for this entire subject …. 52 comments already. 52,000,000 comments won’t bring women back to “humanity”. Sit back from the screen a second and consider, really imagine, what abortion is. Then remind yourself that, whatever else may be said, a vast majority of females believes abortion is a good thing. And that the rest doesn’t believe it is good because they “believe in God”.

      Those are your choices. Majority retards who think infanticide is ok, minority retards stuck in the fourteenth century.

      Someone up there said the guys here are smart, “no reason to be single”. In fact this intelligence is why they are all single. Women are “intelligent” up to a point. Criticize them as a group — suggest that they are sociologically coherent, that their behavior as individuals is in fact group behavior — and they become as uppity as Jews and negroes, berating, lobbying, slandering and whining. The feminist seed now lives in ALL females, including supposedly “valuable” females like those scribbling for Occidental Observer. I guarantee you “Lasha Darkmoon” and Elizabeth Whitcombe aren’t reaching over suckling infants to type out the fruits of their “valuable research”.

      Any truly “intelligent” man of this era will have already learnt that modern women are an “evolutionary dead-end” and gone their own way. Of course, that doesn’t apply if one has money.

    57. misogyn Says:

      It’s really not about ‘blaming’ women or men folks.

      The point, which hasn’t been & can’t be disproved, was that women are dumb, or at best only mechanically intelligent. You see every possible proof throughout history and everywhere in the present. You went to school with the little girls chirping about their straight A’s in Math while you sat there bored and confused, even though white men invented this baneful “Math” and the girls only parrot it. You watch them on the news “reporting lived from Kabul”, sounding “smart”, their analysis “penetrating”, when in fact they’re saying nothing at all, or at most the obvious. You see it every time you pick up a “classic” book written by a man; and if you happen to pick one up by a woman, you know instantly that it’s a token selection of some judaified review board. You don’t need a book report or a statistical analysis to tell you that The Origin of Species and the Nichomachean Ethics are worlds away from Little Women, Backlash, and Sexual Personae, because such things cannot be measured or scientifically tested. These are things of the spirit, and women are deficient in spirit — the creative spirit, the holy spirit.

    58. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim!
      Comment:
      “jim giles”………..my respect will follow immediately and completely when you start acting like White Men by using your Real Legal Name

      uhh……yeh…..right…….well……that’s just “fine & dandy” in the Land of the First (and Second!) Amendments!

      un-fortunately, for most white people living else-where, they can be “dropped on” by the ZOG-bot thought police for so much as yelling “nigger”! (re: Simon Shepphard & Luke O’Farrell!)

      as such: internet anonymity is an absolute must….!……

      but…..if you REALLY want to impress….there’s plenty of “targets” in the ‘Kwa that require the most urgent attention….you could start with the pre-ponderance of jew baby-butchers!…..there’s a few of them “gone south” but there’s plenty more to go around, eh?!?

      now that’s some-thing you can “anonymously” and STILL be a REAL HERO!<

      My contempt is directed at white men (in name only) in America not elsewhere who think they have integrity by posting anonymously; it’s a dishonorable act. Period.

    59. Tim McGreen Says:

      How dumb can you be, Jim? In case you didn’t know, we live in a country that is under enemy occupation, so we have to be a little careful what we say and how we go about doing things, capish? But then again, you could be an agent provacateur……….You’re being a little clumsy about it, though.

      Anyway, you know nothing about anyone else posting here. Maybe there are a few Navy SEALS or Special Forces veterans here, or maybe some professional wrestler or bodybuilder types. There could even be a decorated hero from the Vietnam War among us. In other words, real “he-men”. By contrast, you could be a little nasal-voiced nebbish wearing a Sponge Bob T-shirt for all we know. Don’t jump to any conclusions about the nature of other people posting here based solely on what they write. THAT’S MY JOB, BUB.

    60. Blackshirt Says:

      Jim Giles said:

      “Suspicions? I have none in regard to you fucking pussies; stop pretending to be something you are not, 1. Men and 2. White Nationalists.”

      I guess you think YOU are a REAL man, huh? Well, I wonder if those around you would think so. A real man doesn’t need to trumpet the fact that he is a man, the same way with a real hero. Using that logic, you are not a real man. What I do know from your posts is that you are a internet blowhard.

      “My contempt is directed at white men (in name only) in America not elsewhere who think they have integrity by posting anonymously; it’s a dishonorable act. Period.”

      We are fighting a dishonorable system that is deliberately breeding and brainwashing our people out of existence. You don’t win wars against people who are ruthless by being “honorable”. You win wars against people who are ruthless by being as cunning and ruthless as they are, and then some. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being anonymous in guerrilla warfare; as a matter of fact it is a requirement for a successful insurgency unless you are a well known figure like Osama Bin Laden.

      “The only message that matters is the one that elicits a physical act, a Strictly Legal Physical Act, a Political Campaign. It starts with shuckin’ the anonymity.”

      Seriously, what the fuck are you doing on the VNN website if you are looking to do things “strictly legally” and want to launch a political campaign? Did you get lost on the way to Stormfront or something? Why don’t you go and give money to “Dr” David Duke so he can run for congress again? Most of us are beyond the working through the system phase, so you just sound like an ass clown coming here and talking that shit.

    61. Blackshirt Says:

      “As to needing to make a living, I’ve heard this whining for years now and I’m no longer impressed with it. I exempt young ladies from my non-anonymous standard. As for you titular ‘men,’ my advocacy has always been one of Strict Legality and so pray tell how does coming out from under your pseudonym affect your job and income?”

      OK, dumbass. Yeah, you are correct that the FBI could put the resources into finding out who I am (I know for a fact they know), but why make things easy for them? Also, if I have to tell you what being a loud racist will do to your ability to get a decent job or to hold onto a decent job, then you are truly a MORON.

      “Internet hero? I’m mostly ignored; my website gets very few hits; most people don’t know who I am; I don’t get the press that other true Internet heroes receive, e.g., Dr. Duck, Hal Turner, Bill White; I’m sure you can think of others. Wonder why that is?”

      Umm, perhaps it is because you are an idiot?

    62. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Adam
      Comment:
      Jim Giles Says:

      “Destruction of the global technological system will restore freedom, and change the environment back to one favoring whites.”

      You have convinced me. I’m ready to start in the morning. Please tell me precisely what to do in order to destroy the global technological system.

      Okay, here is what I want you to do.

      1. Stop drinking and sober up.

      2. Stop sitting around in your crusty, skidmark-stained underwear, whacking off to the homosexual scene in your favorite movie, “Deliverance”.

      3. Start acting like an adult white man, and use reason and evidence to argue, instead of schoolboy taunts. If you think my arguments are in error, then say why. If you agree they are correct, then you might want to volunteer your own ideas on how to destroy it. If you can’t or won’t do that, then just maintain a dignified silence.

      4. Keep in mind that destroying the global technological system is man’s work. It’s not for schoolboys, drunks, or anyone who is afraid of bloodshed. You have already stated you won’t do anything illegal. If that’s true, there’s nothing else for you to do. You’ll just have to sit the revolution out with the women and children.<

      Repeat, please tell me precisely what to do in order to destroy the global technological system.

      You cannot tell me how to destroy the global technological system anymore than you can tell me how to fly.

      In regard to drinking and sobriety, if you aren’t on some sort of drug then I can only conclude you are mentally insane.

      Your assertion that I am a homosexual is a flagrant lie. That makes you a liar. Perhaps I am mistaken to challenge men to be men but I am not a liar like you. That makes you dishonorable. You are without honor. You are a dishonorable liar as a factual matter.

      As for the movie Deliverance, the scene I make reference to stings; it bites; I don’t know if you are a homosexual or not but it seems to have hit a sore spot with you; maybe you aren’t a homosexual; maybe you are just effeminate; are you effeminate? Have you ever been in a fist fight? Have you ever been pushed to your physical endurance limits before?

      In regard to reason and evidence, I can only point to Adolf Hitler.

      ‘School boys?’ Why would you mention schoolboys? Odd. I am 50 years old. I have run for the U.S. Congress three (3) times as a pro-White anti-Zionist candidate under this platform. I don’t think of ‘schoolboys.’ Ever. Just making an observation.

      You have no argument, only a deranged distraction whether intentional or unintentional it really doesn’t matter.

      ‘Dignified silence?’ This is precisely what I recommend for you ‘White Men’ here posting in all your anonymous glory.

      > You have already stated you won’t do anything illegal. If that’s true, there’s nothing else for you to do. You’ll just have to sit the revolution out with the women and children.<

      This is most telling of who you are and what your motivations are here. You strike me as law enforcement. But you got my strategy down 100 Percent. I am 100 Percent Strictly Legal. I advocate 100 Percent Strict Legality. I also demand Honor and Courage. I’ve come to know law enforcement as bereft of both.

      Follow me!

    63. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: 2050

      Jim, i applaud you for living the life you do and doing the things you do, though you may call me a pussy in return. If the law already knows who I am, then I don’t need to tell them. Nor do I need whatever assorted antis and weirdos calling on me. Yes my family friends and neighbors(the ones i know, anyway) do know my politics and racial views. So did my employer. So does anyone I come in contact with esp. on a regular basis. I try to open the eyes of as many as i can.<

      Thank you and I’m not going to call you a pussy. I respect your decision to maintain your anonymity. Let’s be clear there are risks. I readily acknowledge that. And I would never want anyone to come to harm because they accepted my challenge recklessly. But I believe given how large our country is that there is a hard core nucleus out there ‘hard as nails’ as Hitler once said. I seek these men. Men better than me.

      Follow me!

    64. Tim McGreen Says:

      “Jim Giles” must be yet another “personality” of Tom McCreen/Curt O’Brien/Banjo Billy/Lone Star. They are all obnoxious and annoying in EXACTLY the same measure.

    65. old dutch Says:

      Let us take a few minutes to remember that White American politician from Mississippi, Senator Theodore G. Bilbo; a populist progressive who did much to help the common White American.

    66. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Tim McGreen
      Comment:
      How dumb can you be, Jim? In case you didn’t know, we live in a country that is under enemy occupation, so we have to be a little careful what we say and how we go about doing things, capish? But then again, you could be an agent provacateur……….You’re being a little clumsy about it, though.

      Anyway, you know nothing about anyone else posting here. Maybe there are a few Navy SEALS or Special Forces veterans here, or maybe some professional wrestler or bodybuilder types. There could even be a decorated hero from the Vietnam War among us. In other words, real “he-men”. By contrast, you could be a little nasal-voiced nebbish wearing a Sponge Bob T-shirt for all we know. Don’t jump to any conclusions about the nature of other people posting here based solely on what they write. THAT’S MY JOB, BUB.<

      As I just said, I seek men better than me and I assume they are here or I wouldn’t be wasting my time with the likes of you. Those who whine the loudest about my Honor and Courage challenge aren’t the ones I seek. I seek the silent ones.

      ‘Clumsy?’ You mean to say genuine, authentic and sincere, don’t you?

      Here I am trying to leave a townhall meeting where I spoke as a candidate for governor and advocate for our state flag. I am in the white shirt walking away when I am cut off by a municipal fireman who didn’t like what I said.

      A funny post by you nonetheless.

    67. Adam Says:

      Jim [seeking men hard as nails] Giles Says:

      Your assertion that I am a homosexual is a flagrant lie.

      The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

      ‘hard as nails’ … I seek these men.

      Christ, what a closet case!

      Men better than me.

      Anyone is a better man than you. The Jew PeeWee Herman is a better man than you. Even Michelle Obama is twice the man you are.

      Follow me!

      Not on your life, princess.

    68. Tim McGreen Says:

      I’ve been a little unfair towards the fairer sex here. I just remembered that one of America’s greatest political figures (I won’t insult her memory by calling her a politician) was Jeanette Rankin, a Congresswoman from Montanna and one of the first females to serve in Congress. You know she must be great because the Jew-Feminist controlled history establishment NEVER mentions her, in spite of the fact that she was one of the first women in American politics. Rep. Rankin was one of the few people in Congress who voted against the US entry into WWI and the only one (as far as I know) to vote against US entry into WWII. In 1968, at the age of 88, she led an anti-Vietnam War march which stopped right in front of a red-faced LBJ. A great woman and a great American.

      And then there was Empress Maria of Austria, who was a passionate Jew-hater. Elizabeth the First of England was great, too, as was Catherine the Great of Russia. And the Celtic warrior Buddika kicked Roman ass. Hanna Reitsch and Leni Reifenstahl were uber-females as well. So the current generation of young White females has no excuse to keep acting like shallow, out-of-control idiots. It’s bad enough when White men act that way.

    69. Spadius Says:

      I live just yards from (one of) the largest university campi in the nation. I see, everyday, the homosexuality, the miscegenation, the anti-white sentiment, the blatant untruth that is fostered within the college dormitory, the athletics, the curriculum, the administration. I personally know fine, promising, young European women whom have come to this great University and bedded down with subhumans within the span of a semester. I know this is something that is oft discussed on this forum, but to really feel the impact, I believe, one must enter the belly of the beast. This is where we are being defeated! THIS is where we must take our stand! But, what can we do?

    70. Tim McGreen Says:

      Adam, you put Jim “Tinkerbell” Giles in his place. Good work!

    71. Blackshirt Says:

      I saw some of his videos on Youtube. This Jim Giles is a patriotard.

    72. Lutjens Says:

      LOL @ Mizzter Giles. I come from real Nazi blood (both of my grandfathers were recruited into SS Deathskull units on the Eastern front during WW II). Fuck you, you are the pussy. When the time comes, I will be doing some serious fuckin ass whippin’ while you’ll be begging your j00den masters and their nigger police forces for their forgiveness. You roundmouth’d backwoods hillbilly cocksucker.

      I see and have seen our young White boys in schools today are being pussified and forced to engage in j00 and nigger worship by the overwhelming number of feminist/Bolshevik teachers at the elementary school level. They become limpdicks before they reach manhood. They are not taught to be leaders, which requires superior problem-solving and decision-making skills. They are force taught what to think, what to say, what to feel. Never hurt anyone else’s feelings. Always be sensitive. Nothing about God, family, country, honor… In other words, taught to be conniving wimpy, lazy, dishonest little fucks. White parents have contributed to this massive failure by enrolling their boys into these institutions of brainwashing and Bolshevization. Then these little pricks can’t get into college or find a job after ‘high school’ and wind up being ZOG cannon fodder in the Middle East.

    73. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Blackshirt
      Comment:
      Jim Giles said:

      I guess you think YOU are a REAL man, huh? Well, I wonder if those around you would think so. A real man doesn’t need to trumpet the fact that he is a man, the same way with a real hero. Using that logic, you are not a real man. What I do know from your posts is that you are a internet blowhard.We are fighting a dishonorable system that is deliberately breeding and brainwashing our people out of existence. You don’t win wars against people who are ruthless by being “honorable”. You win wars against people who are ruthless by being as cunning and ruthless as they are, and then some. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being anonymous in guerrilla warfare; as a matter of fact it is a requirement for a successful insurgency unless you are a well known figure like Osama Bin Laden.Seriously, what the fuck are you doing on the VNN website if you are looking to do things “strictly legally” and want to launch a political campaign? Did you get lost on the way to Stormfront or something? Why don’t you go and give money to “Dr” David Duke so he can run for congress again? Most of us are beyond the working through the system phase, so you just sound like an ass clown coming here and talking that shit.<

      ‘Ass Clown?’ I like this descriptor; it fits you to a Tee. Unlike yourself, I’ve actually done things in the real world beyond anonymous Internet postings. This is a speech I gave at the Neshoba County Fair in 2004. It is the political event of the year in Mississippi.

    74. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Blackshirt
      Comment:
      Jim Giles said:

      I guess you think YOU are a REAL man, huh? Well, I wonder if those around you would think so. A real man doesn’t need to trumpet the fact that he is a man, the same way with a real hero. Using that logic, you are not a real man. What I do know from your posts is that you are a internet blowhard.<

      I’ve earned the right to dress you down you fucking coward.

      Strict Legality. Period. Honor and Courage. Period. They are nonnegotiable.

    75. Blackshirt Says:

      “I’ve earned the right to dress you down you fucking coward.”

      What? Did you get boinked in the bunghole in a Mississippi prison by a gang of blue-lipped coons?

      I’m just not worthy ;-)

    76. Blackshirt Says:

      “Strict Legality. Period”

      So I guess Revolution is out of the picture, eh? LOL :-)

    77. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Blackshirt
      Comment:
      “As to needing to make a living, I’ve heard this whining for years now and I’m no longer impressed with it. I exempt young ladies from my non-anonymous standard. As for you titular ‘men,’ my advocacy has always been one of Strict Legality and so pray tell how does coming out from under your pseudonym affect your job and income?”

      OK, dumbass. Yeah, you are correct that the FBI could put the resources into finding out who I am (I know for a fact they know), but why make things easy for them? Also, if I have to tell you what being a loud racist will do to your ability to get a decent job or to hold onto a decent job, then you are truly a MORON.

      “Internet hero? I’m mostly ignored; my website gets very few hits; most people don’t know who I am; I don’t get the press that other true Internet heroes receive, e.g., Dr. Duck, Hal Turner, Bill White; I’m sure you can think of others. Wonder why that is?”

      Umm, perhaps it is because you are an idiot?<

      How big a man are you? Height? Weight? Are you blond Aryan looking or dark? Athletic build, frail or fat? What is your age?

      I think you are about 25 years old; short, fat and dark; but please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m least certain of your age but stick with short, fat and dark.

      My point is this; you get to take pot shots at a man far your superior because of you anonymity; if we knew who you were, the matter would be settled and you wouldn’t be running your mouth so freely.

    78. Blackshirt Says:

      “if we knew who you were, the matter would be settled and you wouldn’t be running your mouth so freely.”

      Who is we? Do you mean you and the rest of your FBI infiltration team? ;-)

      But I’ll indulge you a little. I’m a well built man in my 30s who is a Marine Corps veteran. That’s all I’m giving you asshole. Have fun with it!

    79. Blackshirt Says:

      “How big a man are you? Height? Weight? Are you blond Aryan looking or dark? Athletic build, frail or fat? What is your age?”

      FEDERAL AGENT. Hello!

    80. Blackshirt Says:

      Do you want my driver’s license number too? How about my address and mother’s maiden name? LOL

      NUTS

    81. Jim Giles Says:

      “I guarantee you ‘Lasha Darkmoon’ and Elizabeth Whitcombe aren’t reaching over suckling infants to type out the fruits of their ‘valuable research’.”

      I feel certain if they aren’t currently good mothers that they would make good mothers and good wives.

      I do not understand the point of berating such women. We would all be better off if we had more like them.

      As I move about where I am, I don’t see clean cut athletic white men that inspire awe in women; lots of obesity and tattoos.

      And ‘misogyn,’ I have the least respect for anonymous posters who are mean and ‘tough’ esp. in regard to ladies.

      On behalf of the ladies, “Squeal like a pig boy!..louder!..louder!”

    82. Behan Says:

      It is even “Biblical” that technically speaking women should not have authority rule. This is not misogynistic-for the Creator of human DNA intentionally designed women with an inherent “narrower depth perception.”

      In fact- women are “repeaters” and they can memorize any pre-existent information you give them- just like Jews! However, it is much more rare for women ( and Jews ) to be original thinkers since both have been genetically limited.

      More often than not men can “outreason” a woman since men do not depend upon factual memory as much- Jews being an intellectually inferior race have no choice but to steal evolutionary knowledge from Aryans because Jews ( and most females) do not possess critical thinking ability beyond a superficial level. It’s inherent in genetic make-up…which is why the Bible itself frowns upon women as rulers.

      Jews waited for centuries for Aryans to build their civilization so the
      Sheeny bastards could invade the white civilization, set up a banking system, and “suck” off the progressive civilization that was built by superior white races- centuries before Jews. Even when
      white Northern Europeans had built a stable civilization say 1,000 years ago- the Jews and N-ggers were both still raping their own children, playing in the mud, and throwing spears at each other.

      Jewish women are of the lowest genetic ilk as they are not only idiots, but are psychotic, and are whores without shame-they’ll
      have sex with any drug-dealing N-gger that will cast them a cocaine induced glance.

      But females really do have a narrower depth percetion-thus they
      perceive only the “superficial” level of reality- and Jews are this way as well due to inherent stupidity…and there is nothing wrong with speaking this truth!

    83. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Tim McGreen
      Comment:
      “Jim Giles” must be yet another “personality” of Tom McCreen/Curt O’Brien/Banjo Billy/Lone Star. They are all obnoxious and annoying in EXACTLY the same measure.<

      Why the quotation marks around my name? That’s my real name. What’s way more than annoying, what’s emasculating is for men to act like women. Many are doing just that here and now.

      ‘Annoying?’ Something a woman would say.

      My biggest regret is that we can’t all get together and work it out amongst ourselves. And I assure you that I am way more than simply obnoxious (also a word a woman would choose or an effeminate male).

      There’s no getting around the all too obvious fact that most intellectual white men are bookish, small and timid except for anonymous Internet posts where you can appear large and brave. You will never lead anyone anywhere.

    84. Angryyoungman Says:

      The problem isn’t that Aryan women are inherently devious, power hungry, or stupid. The problem is that they have been brainwashed since FDR, the kike loving crippled coward.

      One shouldn’t forget that we gave buck niggers and other muds the right to vote before our own women. That was back when White women “stood by their man”. I guess that’s “Christian values” for you.

      Some of you guys need to watch your mouths. How would you feel if someone told your mother or grandmothers that they had the mind of a canine?

      If their is one group of white women who deserve hatred and scorn it is the women of the old-boy/blue blood New England Yankees. Those were the bitches who loved niggers so much that they would let poor whites kill each other for it. Later on they told adults they couldn’t drink or use narcotics (prohibition/drug war). Those puritan cunts and their sociopath men folk are the ones who ran this country and still do to a great extent. They are the same ones who ceded much of their power to the Khazars. They are the ones who have sold this country out and ran it into the ground.

    85. New America Says:

      Thanks to Jim Giles for kicking ass and taking name with the trolls, while standing up for us!

      While I have long argued Linder is another Mencken, I would like to again see the Light in the Darkness, and begin to partially address this issue in the context of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model.

      Arminius nailed it:

      The question Linder should think about is how to make white women race conscious.

      First Prize!

      In a negative way, the “white” women are already “race conscious.”

      It’s simply that all too many of them – like all too many of our males – not “Men” – have accepted the subordinate status of White Men in all ways possible for the System – Jew-controlled, of course – to use.

      When they see our males choosing to avoid the Work, the Racial DUTIES, of Men, and waste their time in the paralllel, Jew-controlled universe of niggerball, and World of Warcraft/HALO 3, it’s because all too many of our young males have not been in the Company of Men.

      As the Jew-controlled Soviet America we have become, the Jews will always seek to make the Feminine – Judaism is a Feminine Culture – dominant over the Masculine.

      Thus, our young men are denied to Initiation Experience needed to become Men.

      This is best described, for the average person, in Heinlein’s book, Starship Troopers, where Lt. Colonel DuBois writes to his former pupil, Johnny Rico, when Rico is near to graduating from Camp Curry – the MI’s version of Basic Training, their version of Parris Island.

      DuBois describes what he calls “the hump,” which is a state of Consciousness – Initiatory Consciousness – which reflects a Wisdom, a Tradition Wisdom, that can not be reduced to words on a piece of paper.

      On the other side of that, you KNOW that you are Man, and Childhood is at an end.

      ALL of the current social system is designed to geld our young men, to insure they remain “males,” and NEVER become MEN.

      Reread that last line – it’s of critical importance.

      Peter Schank summed it us in one phrase that should be tattooed on the inside of our skulls, for easy reference:

      To destroy a Nation, you must do what is the first priority of the Jews, and destroy the potential Warrior Caste.

      Replacing family with color television – the Jew Tube, the Electronic Rabbi – succeeded with damn near perfect results.

      So, what is left for our young women who seek masculine company?

      Remember the wisdom of Terrible Tommy Metzger:

      WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US!

      My solution, in large part, is educating my Nephews by reading Covington;s Northwest Quarter of books, while insuring they have the skillset needed to function effectively in a future Northwest Republic.

      In time, they will become the Living Foundation of a Northwest Republic.

      And what is left of America?

      Well, the parasites only thrive among the dead, and the dying.

      They are dead, and dying, and don’t realize it.

      Yet.

      Their Posterity will not have such luxury.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian: You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    86. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Adam
      Comment:
      Jim [seeking men hard as nails] Giles Says:

      Your assertion that I am a homosexual is a flagrant lie.

      The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

      ‘hard as nails’ … I seek these men.

      Christ, what a closet case!

      Men better than me.

      Anyone is a better man than you. The Jew PeeWee Herman is a better man than you. Even Michelle Obama is twice the man you are.

      Follow me!

      Not on your life, princess.<

      Cute imitation of my original assessment of you.

      I see an Effeminate Male Type here as my primary adversaries.

      The way you debate gives you away as a sissy. You don’t understand my parlance because you have spent more time reading rather than sweating.

      I speak plainly; you speak poetically. Masculinity versus Femininity.

    87. Adam Says:

      Leaving the attention whore Jim Giles aside and getting back to the subject at hand, I think that Alex and misogyn are dead accurate in their assessments of the intelligence of women. The testament of all history is that woman is capable of a certain cleverness, but real genius is forever beyond her grasp. That’s okay though. Although intelligence can make a woman more interesting, we don’t love white women primarily for their intelligence, but for their other fine qualities.

      The contradiction between this plain speaking about women (or some would say misogyny) and Alex’s avowed aim of building a white mass movement is what’s jarring, however. Building such a movement will require a high degree of political skill, if it can be done at all. If that’s the goal, insulting half your audience seems a poor way to start. Good politics requires leaving some truths unspoken.

    88. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Tim McGreen
      Comment:
      Adam, you put Jim “Tinkerbell” Giles in his place. Good work!<

      The Effeminate Male Types converge.

      In the real world, this ‘fight’ would have ended long ago.

    89. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Blackshirt
      Comment:
      “I’ve earned the right to dress you down you fucking coward.”

      What? Did you get boinked in the bunghole in a Mississippi prison by a gang of blue-lipped coons?

      I’m just not worthy ;-)<

      Jim Giles 4 vs. The State of Mississippi 0

      How many wins do you have under your belt?

      I’m growing weary of this but I don’t regret it because the experience has affirmed for me the complete and utter dishonor of anonymity.

    90. Irma Grese Says:

      Blackshirt Said: Of course, the other possibility is that you are an agent provocateur who wants to deliberately encourage others to sacrifice their anonymity so it will be easier to track them for federal agencies. Agent provocateurs are ALWAYS big mouths and encouraging others to take things a step further. Hal Turner anyone?

      Quoted. For. TRUTH.

      Now: regarding the rather unpleasent SEXISM in the article:

      I do find Mr. Linder to be a very intelligent man in many regards. He sees the jew/nigger problem clearly, and more importantly he has many insightful, workable ideas on how to deal with it. He is a very, very good writer who has a knack for a well-turned phrase! I’ve read many of his articles/postings in the forum and have learned a hell of a LOT; in a juden-frei world HE would be on TV representing the Right and not Pat Buchanan.

      I agree on the danger of Feminism: it’s a noxious jew concoction brewed up to turn Aryan women and men against each other in a standard DIVIDE AND CONQUER strategy. I can see that it has done A LOT of damage to male-female relations in this country. And I KNOW that men and women have different strengths – and weaknesses. I am in favor of encouraging traditional roles for women, i.e. child-rearing, home making, etc. But this “women ain’t nothing but PUSSY and all y’all need to get back in the kitchen an’ make me a sammich BEYOTCH” CRAP has REALLY got to GO. And I’m NOT just talking about VNN but a lot of other sites as well!

      You know what all you anti-women WNs sound like when you say stuff like that?? NIGGERS. Yes, that’s EXACTLY WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE. NIGGER RAPPERS. Always referring to us as bitches and pussy and other vulgar terms, going on about how we’re good for nothing but breeding, don’t deserve to vote and should be slaves to men – WELL TO HADES WITH THAT! I am a WHITE WOMAN, I am a HUMAN BEING worthy of respect and I will NOT be treated as a 2nd or 3rd class citizen by YOU or ANYONE. Nigger bucks treat their women like GARBAGE – is that what you and others like you want, Linder? What, are you JEALOUS of them or something?? Is THAT why your ex took your kid AND LEFT??! You wanna be some sort of WN Eminem?? Yeah well COUNT ME OUT, PAL if that’s how you think! If I wanted to be a slave, I’d convert to Islam and go live with the sand-nigs!

      Do you people want to know WHY there are so many White women out there in the work force?? IT’S BECAUSE THESE DAYS IT TAKES TWO INCOMES TO SUPPORT A FAMILY, THAT’S WHY. Jew plutocrats and their “white” counterparts have kept wages low and shipped living wage jobs overseas for YEARS NOW, which is why the old days where the HUSBAND could go to work while the WIFE stayed home to raise the children are GONE. Stomping on Aryan women WON’T – REPEAT, WILL NOT – bring them back. Getting rid of the jew WILL!

      White Nationalism will NEVER be able to throw off the jew yoke until White men AND White women can come together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and work towards that end. Ugly misogynist HATRED is a tool that the JEW uses to divide us against one another! DON’T FALL FOR IT OR OUR RACE IS DOOMED. Karen, Honkey Tonk Man, O*R*I*O*N and Blackshirt have it right. AS USUAL.

    91. factmeter Says:

      “The founding fathers wisely kept the vote from women, but they were just as foolish to allow mob rule by men.”

      Really. Odd that these “great” founding fathers didn’t care so deeply about the subject to make it specifically part of their constitution. I.e. either barring women from voting, or making suffrage exclusively male. Neither direction is contained in the founder’s constitution.

      You’d be hard pressed to find any indiction of the feminist/suffragettes in their other writings too, if indeed you’ll find any at all.

      And by the way mob rule is not necessarily bad, as long that that mob is in turn led by a sound leader or ideology. I.e. Adolf Hitler and National Socialism, good example.

    92. factmeter Says:

      “Probably women act the way they do because of the way men act.”

      What a feminist cop-out.

      Thankfully there are much better intellectuals in this movement than “Jim Giles”.

    93. Jim Giles Says:

      >Author: Lutjens
      Comment:
      LOL @ Mizzter Giles. I come from real Nazi blood (both of my grandfathers were recruited into SS Deathskull units on the Eastern front during WW II). Fuck you, you are the pussy. When the time comes, I will be doing some serious fuckin ass whippin’ while you’ll be begging your j00den masters and their nigger police forces for their forgiveness. You roundmouth’d backwoods hillbilly cocksucker.

      I see and have seen our young White boys in schools today are being pussified and forced to engage in j00 and nigger worship by the overwhelming number of feminist/Bolshevik teachers at the elementary school level. They become limpdicks before they reach manhood. They are not taught to be leaders, which requires superior problem-solving and decision-making skills. They are force taught what to think, what to say, what to feel. Never hurt anyone else’s feelings. Always be sensitive. Nothing about God, family, country, honor… In other words, taught to be conniving wimpy, lazy, dishonest little fucks. White parents have contributed to this massive failure by enrolling their boys into these institutions of brainwashing and Bolshevization. Then these little pricks can’t get into college or find a job after ‘high school’ and wind up being ZOG cannon fodder in the Middle East.<

      Little man, you would get real quiet in a hurry the second you looked up at me. How tall are you? Are you fat or athletic?

      Back and forth, back and forth. Mr. Anonymous versus Jim Giles. Not much of a contest.

      I stand for Honor and Courage and a Strictly Legal Political Movement that is spelled out in minute detail.

      I lived in Germany for a couple of years and never encountered one single German who expressed himself the way you do.

    94. factmeter Says:

      “White Nationalists need to continue to band together women and men. If you alienate half of society, all you’ll have is white males and without women, you’ll die off.”

      Forget about this democracy bullshit, trying to please everyone and not alienate everyone, and trying accept all manner of antgonistic views. If things need to be said, say them. If the present or past behaviour of certain groups (e.g. Jews and women) is causing a problem, highlight it.

      Democracy is bullshit, as is “not alienating people”. That’s political correctness, plain and simple. We need a strong leader with a strong vision, a sound ideology which serves the interests of our race and culture. Someone who will follow through a sensible plan and not stop to consider the hagglers who want to talk, whine and waste time.

      Democracy and trying not to offend people is a sure-fire way to end up in a decadent society, like we have today.

      “I have 3 white male neighbors who have no kids. All over 40 and never married. All they do it sit at home on the weekend and whine why they don’t have a g/f or a wife.”

      Guess who decides to have kids and marry, Janet, honey? The wimminz do. And their minds went off having kids 30 years ago, when Jews and their White Intelligencia Sistas told them materialism and having a career was more important.

      Realise the cause and effect, Janet, honey. Women don’t want kids, men don’t get involved in families and have kids. Really simple.

      So gentleman, some of the blames lies within you.

      I suppose Jewish/feminist culture does not factor at all, nor does the receptivity of the mass women towards reproduction. Any chance you will let us White Men undermine feminist culture and change the attitude that the mass woman holds on the future of our race? No?

      There are external matters at play. Not only will folks like you not let us acknowledge those external factors, when we say that those factors should be addressed, you disparage that. You grind such ideas to a halt with your incessant objections.

      Jews and Feminists: laying all the blame on the White Man since 1958, whatever the issue. Change the record please.

      “I deem you a White Pig and not a White Genius if you place the bulk of the blame on women and not men.”

      As I said above, women are the ones who decide to have children, not men.

      And will you be squealing like the coward pig you are if I say certain foundation blocks of feminism – e.g. the vote, abortion, etc. should be removed?

      Why not get a recording of yourself squealing, piggie? Such suggestions really make you sqirm.

      Nothing’s more repulsive to piggie Jim Giles than logical solutions.

    95. factmeter Says:

      Jim Giles information gathering on his shitty little forum (16 posts total):

      “Membership in this forum requires that you first email a copy of your driver’s license to jimgiles@radiofreemississippi.net or mail a copy of your driver’s license (include your email address) to Jim Giles, 173 Pear Lane, Pearl, MS 39208. The name on your driver’s license will be your User Name which will be emailed to you with your password. Your driver’s license will also be posted as your signature for each and every post you make in this forum.”

      Fed asset perhaps?

      Piggie begs for cash:

      “Request for financial support”

      Notice his use of the Jew-friendly line “anti-Zionist”. All aboard Giles “anti-Zionist” train, yay!

      This guy is a joke, serving up low quality time wasting propaganda.

      Another quality line from “Jim Giles”:

      “You seem smarter than me, a telltale sign that you’re a pussy”

      The intellect, wow.

    96. factmeter Says:

      “Stomping on Aryan women WON’T – REPEAT, WILL NOT – bring them back. Getting rid of the jew WILL!”

      Don’t you know anything about conditioning, woman?

      The mass white woman won’t get into line unless she is conditioned to get into line.

      White women need to be punished, shamed when they betray their race and culture. White men should not be in the least shy of meting this conditioning out.

      Why do White Men cowtow to the feminist agenda always? Because feminists condition men into it. They are told they are “sexist” “chauvinists” “pigs” for opposing the agenda. Gradually, they fall into line. If this conditioning – shaming and castigation – were not applied, men would not follow the agenda.

      The modern white woman has become a fembot, to borrow a phrase from the early feminists. The modern white woman is a liability.

      Deprogramming and condititioning should be the White Nationalist’s approach to the modern White Woman. Turn a liability into an asset. These liabilities – bots led by Judeofeminist ideology – will not suddenly turn into reliable assets. It will not happen spontanously. It must be undertaken as a task in itself.

      Expecting a mass person to suddenly change their ways is idiocy. You really expect me to buy that one?

      No, we have liabilities on our hands today, fembots led by a poisonous destructive ideology. They reached this position because of conditioning and programming from the White Female Intelligencia and the Jews.

      The conditioning must be removed and replaced if any progress is to occur. Break the mindsets.

      Jews and feminists have been doing this for decades, they are perfectly aware of the process. Now it is time for WNs to exploit this process. It is time for us to realise that our revolution will not happen unless this process is exploited.

    97. factmeter Says:

      Action and Consequence.

      Scenario I (current one, endorsed by feminists and Jews)

      Action: Woman participates in feminist agenda
      Conseqeunce: No consquence for this behaviour from White society. Behaviour is either condoned or encouraged.
      Result: Woman becomes liability to her race’s future in myriad of ways; become impenetrable to sensible ideology. Woman repeats behaviour and behaviour becomes more common.

      Scenario II (preferable for the survival and health of our race)

      Action: Woman participates in feminist agenda.
      Consequence: Woman is isolated, shamed and castigated for engagement in given feminist behaviour by White society.
      Result: Woman learns participation in feminist agenda has negative consequence. Woman is reluctant to repeat experience and gradually ceases behaviour. Behaviour becomes less common among the mass.

      Ignorance of these dynamics will lead to repeated failure to reform behaviour of White Woman.

    98. Zoroastro Says:

      I hugely respect Alex Linder but very much disagree with his occasional (white) women bashing. If it wasn’t for our white mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, we wouldn’t be here. I think we need to show them more respect and empathy, particularly since they are such an overwhelming target of the nefarious Kikes and their controlled media. Both white women and men are nature’s greatest gift. In human terms, there can be nothing higher, better, or more creatively beautiful.

    99. Mary O Says:

      Men are no better. Only a small percentage of men think critically. And, who is their authority? TV. Or some MSM rag. Was Adolf Hitler really evil incarnate? Is Israel really an ally? Why did WTC #7 suddenly collapse? Some women fail to inform themselves sufficiently on the important issues, but most patriotards are guys: It’s the same difference.

      These teenage women who seek acceptance of authority in the classroom or elsewhere are often in need of a parent figure. Most teenagers live in single-parent homes. Or sometimes their father is a careerist who neglects them. Since the teacher (or other authority) is all they have for a father, they might sometimes try too annoyingly hard to please. But, after all, worse might be trying to anger and shock people just to get attention.

      Also, a large number of young women tend to be self-absorbed as a result of selective advantage. The infant whose mother believed that his stomach ache was the most important problem in the whole world had a better chance at surviving. Instead of disparaging young women for their sometimes narrow world-view, we should appreciate them; since we probably wouldn’t be here except for foremothers who had similar attitudes.

    100. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      re: “jim giles”……….try using “italic” tags when quoting other posts (makes it a bit clearer, eh??)

      “quote” or “quote”

    101. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      re: “jim giles”

      you should consider “signing up” with storm-front if you’re serious abt “recruiting”….it has the largest n° of white nationalists on the web posting there (over 100000, i believe!)…..it might, also, be worth yr while becoming “a sustaining member” because, that way, you won’t be arbitrarily “banned” so quickly…..that will involve sending $a few bucks$ to Don Black in Flrd….but……..wtf-ever, eh?!?

      my user-name there is “jimbo!”

      *this is only a smallish ‘blog which mainly caters to VNN-ers and, of course, the casual visitor….who number only a few thousand @ best*

    102. NAME THE JEW Says:

      This Jim Giles guy sounds like a paid agent of Jew$.

      Notice especially how he says he is an “anti-Zionist,” and not anti-Jewish. Be very wary of the people who do not NAME THE JEW directly and instead resort to their bullshit “anti-Zionist” rhetoric.

    103. Vaultner Says:

      Irma,

      I agree with almost all of what you said, & well said.

      Adam Said:
      “Leaving the attention whore Jim Giles aside”

      Remind you of anyone? Giles showed up & jewboyamerikwa vanished.

      No reply from Heather Blue?

    104. ernst blofeld Says:

      I’ve made many statements here and elsewhere that could be construed as “denying the holocau$t”
      I also make frequent business trips to Europe, where if you haven’t noticed people are put in prison for such statements.
      So what advantage is there in posting with my real name?
      We are dealing with an enemy that is using every available means to wipe out our very existence. They don’t play fair and are no more impressed by your bravado Mr. Giles than anyone else here.

      There will be a lot more people in the years to come who face trumped up charges like Matt Hale. Someone openly racist is not going to get on the jury to help them. A person who could nullify that jury is more useful to us than a hundred slobs marching at a rally with swastika armbands.
      Those types would never be able to infiltrate the system where they could be useful, whether it be their local government, school boards, police, fbi, state department, etc.

    105. Curt O'brian Says:

      The whole thing just sounds like a backhanded way to call WNs a lot of names. Typical Jew thing to do. Why do you assume this guy is on the level?

      Why doesn’t it seem earlier on that it is somebody pranking you?

      The fact he is an admin. of a website and is willing to give a mailing address just means he isn’t harmless but probably very dangerous from a certain POV.

      The guy who copied Tom McWren’s name but changed a few letters is “talking back” to Gilies. Come on… it is probably a series of Jews who are talking back and forth in another window on their computers on some Jewish website in real time about this page. Laughing about fucking with the whites as a group attack.

      I played a FPS war-game online some time long ago and for six hours I was sitting in Utah as part of a group of Norwegian college guys living in Trondheim Norway and we were “fighting” a group of Marines based on the US East Coast.

      Get hip. It is several groups F ing with the people here living all around the country if not the world. If you spoke Hebrew you could do it to. Set up a fake account and a fake webpage. Get other WNs who spoke Hebrew around the world to text you. The group of you would play games like little theater pieces with the Jewish people on their own websites.

      Afterwards laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh at the names you got away with calling people before they figured out you were screwing with them if they ever did. You only meant them harm but they tried for long winded posts to get on your good side. Hahahahaha….

      Thing is who speaks Hebrew? The Jews have a much harder network to attack than the hapless whites.

    106. Blackshirt Says:

      Curt/Tom “McReen” you are too funny. You didn’t mention gays in this last e-mail… c’mon man, you’re slipping!

    107. Blackshirt Says:

      Oops, I meant “post” not e-mail. I guess I’m slipping ;-)

    108. Blackshirt Says:

      exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      re: “jim giles”

      “you should consider “signing up” with storm-front if you’re serious abt “recruiting””

      Yes, Stormfront is exactly where Jim Giles should be along with all the other patriotard kosher konservatives who want to keep it “strictly legal” lol

    109. Stan Says:

      Luke Says:

      21 September, 2009 at 5:56 pm

      I saw a graphic illustration a few years ago that charted the growth and size and intrusiveness of the Federal Government since 1922 and women being given the right to vote. What it proved and what was indisputable was that giving women the right to vote had a direct and negative influence over the growth, size and intrusiveness of government – which, evidently, our racist and bigoted Founding Pappy’s were wise and forward thinking enough to anticipate when they set this nation up and deliberately restricted the right to vote to only those white men who had proven themselves to be worthy and who had a stake in their communities, visi vi, land ownership.

      The same thing can be seen in Swiss politics since women received the vote countrywide in the early 1980s.

    110. Stan Says:

      Another interesting thing is that most of the people posting on this thread (including me, see post above) either will not or cannot address the OP’s observation. Linder made a simple observation, and a few posters discussed his observation. However, most treated the discussion as an ‘attack’ on women and that became the subject of the thread. Most of us couldn’t wait to get into that fight.

      Mr. Giles took the opportunity to ride his favorite hobbyhorse, which has even less to do with the discussion.

      In a small way, this thread may illustrate why we white nationalists accomplish nothing.

    111. ENwhiten.com Says:

      I have covered this on my blog:

      Though we at ENwhiten love women, there is a problem with letting them vote. Too many view gov’t as a surrogate family and the president as a surrogate husband. Many only care about themselves and their children and the rest of the world, especially men, be damned. The reason for this is genetic. Only men have the full complement of human gene types, having both an X and a Y chromosome. You could actually make a woman from a man’s genes. To women, the Y chromosome is alien genetic material. This explains why we have feminism but no “masculinism” and why men have a more pan-human outlook. For every Y chromosome that enters a voting booth , three X’s do. The whole situation tends to destroy the family structure as women seek out the most desirable males to breed with and then vote to have the mass of “loser” men pay taxes to support their bastards. It’s more a baboon society than human. Ideally, only married women should vote, preferably with children, preferably sons.

      Also:

      Abolish welfare and affirmative action, and women will suddenly get very fussy about whom they let knock them up. They will insist that the guy marry them first, have a good job and buy life insurance. Divorce would again become rare as would spinsterhood and illegitimacy.

      OT but on a similar note:

      There is no shortage of poor US citizens, black, white and brown. If the US welfare state were dramatically pared back, the demand for illegal labor would evaporate over night.

      To sum up:

      The welfare state is the root of most of the problems of Western society. And that came primarily from the female vote.

    112. Tim McGreen Says:

      Curt, it’s Tom McWren and not Tom McReen? How would you know that? Is it because you’re both the same nit-wit, by any chance?

      That Jim Giles guy is a Fed informant, a la Hal Turner. No doubt about it. But I wonder if he’s one of those big, pot-bellied redneck types with the red, white and blue suspenders and the little American flag sticking out of his straw hat? Or one of those good ol’ boy NRA members who wear those dumb T-shirts with an American Eagle or a grinning skull and Confederate Flag on it? I hate all that right-wing redneck shit. Why can’t those sloppy patriotards lose some weight and wear a sport coat, oxford shirt and khakis, like normal people? Maybe they’d get a little more respect and be taken seriously for a change if they looked halfway decent.

      Anyway, Giles is trouble. He tries to call too much attention to himself and he’s too nosy. Bad combination.

    113. Adam Says:

      From Alex’s article, above:

      I truly wonder if anybody has ever calculated the incalculable loss to human technical and artistic creation in spending such a high percentage of our dollars the last 100 years ‘educating’ muds, retards and women.

      While we cannot, of course, calculate an incalculable loss, we definitely must notice that technical creation, i.e., science as concretely manifested in the global technological society, is primarily what is responsible for the death of artistic creation. As I wrote below in the thread on Lasha Darkmoon’s article, science is what assassinated God in Western civilization. If it’s also true, as Darkmoon asserts, that a godless society can’t produce any worthwhile art, then it’s clear that art is incompatible with global technological society.

      But the main thing here is that Alex’s statement doesn’t really go far enough in revealing the true nature of the problem. It is important to observe that the disempowerment of white men in the educational system by wasting money that could have been spent on them in educating “muds, retards, and women” instead isn’t an accident. It’s part of the design of modern educational technique, which as Ellul says, has as its goal the prevention of another Hitler. I will quote at length a passage from The Technological Society, as it’s definitely worth it. Although this passage deals with the education of “children”, it’s equally applicable, if not more so, at the college level. He begins by quoting Mme Montessori in a speech she gave to UNESCO:

      We must awaken the child’s social conscience. I know that is a complicated educational question, but the child who will become the man must be able to understand life and its needs, the fundamental reason for all existence, the search for happiness … He must know exactly what he must do and what he must not do for the good of humanity … To reach these ends, we must prepare the child to understand the meaning and necessity of the entente among the nations. The organization of the peace devolves more on education than on politics. To secure peace practically, we must envision a humane education, psychopedagogy, which affects not one nation but all men on earth … Education must become a truly humane science to guide all men to judge the present situation correctly.

      Ellul then gives his analysis:

      This statement seems to me truly remarkable in that it designates candidly the end of psychopedagogic technique in the best possible circumstances, within a liberal and democratic conception of man, state, and society. (Mme Montessori is a liberal and speaks for liberal countries.) I have taken Mme Montessori’s statement by way of example, but one could examine the purpose of this technique in numerous other pedagogical studies published in the past few years.

      We note first of all that this technique must be implemented by the state, which alone has the means and the breadth to carry it through. But the rigorous application of the psychopedagogic technique means the end of private instruction – and therefore of a traditional freedom.

      Second, this technique is “pantocrator”. It must be exercised over all men. If one man is left who is not trained according to its methods, there is the danger of his becoming a new Hitler. The technique cannot be effected unless all children are obliged to participate and all parents to co-operate. There can be no exceptions. If only a minority are educated to comply, this technique can resolve none of the problems it is intended to meet. We note again the aggressive character of technique. Mme Montessori emphasizes the fact that “it is necessary to free the child from the slavery of school and family” for him to enter the cycle of freedom proper to this technique. However, this freedom consists in a profound and detailed surveillance of the child’s activities, a complete shaping of his spiritual life, and a precise regulation of his time with a stop watch; in short, in habituating him to a joyful serfdom.[Emphasis added.]

      In other words, what has been created is a system that not only starves while male genius, but is deliberately set up to prevent it from arising. Re-examining Alex’s statement, we should also note that technical progress – i.e., progress useful to the technological system – is the only kind of white male genius that is not starved under the current plan. The educational system was set up the way it is specifically to disempower white men, to strip them of their privileged place and position as intellectual leaders, and to channel and restrict whatever sparks of genius that might remain to the realm of the purely technical, helping the system find new technical means to enslave and further disempower them. The destruction of human freedom is the goal, and these educational techniques are the means. Nothing less than the complete destruction of the global technological system will enable recovery.

    114. factmeter Says:

      “If it wasn’t for our white mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, we wouldn’t be here.”

      Yeah, and if they continue to have their way there won’t be any White race to speak of in the future. Stick with the facts please.

    115. factmeter Says:

      “Only a small percentage of men think critically. And, who is their authority? TV. Or some MSM rag. Was Adolf Hitler really evil incarnate? Is Israel really an ally? Why did WTC #7 suddenly collapse?”

      Both White men and women need to be re-conditioned and re-programmed; whatever makes you think otherwise.

      Why is it that WNs have this big stigma against calling White women out on their bullshit, and stigma against calls to reprogram them to a more palable sensible ideology? Yet they will gladly say that White men have poor mindsets?

      What’s the reason for the repulsion on the first issue, and welcoming of the second?

      Among both men and women you are talking a small percentage who critically think. You’re probably talking 5% of men and 0.5% of women. The crucial thing is to make this small percentage of critical thinkers the leaders of society.

      The very large difference in male critical thinkers vs. female critical thinkers is something to be considered, not dismissed.

    116. factmeter Says:

      “I saw a graphic illustration a few years ago that charted the growth and size and intrusiveness of the Federal Government since 1922 and women being given the right to vote. What it proved and what was indisputable was that giving women the right to vote had a direct and negative influence over the growth, size and intrusiveness of government…

      The same thing can be seen in Swiss politics since women received the vote countrywide in the early 1980s.”

      “Size of Government” is a red-herring. What is of issue is the nature of Government, it’s end-objectives and policies. Yes, all of these take a turn for the worst upon female suffrage?

      So the obvious conclusion is? Remove the women’s vote. Yet most WNs would rather cut their dicks off than consider such a prospect.

    117. Tim McGreen Says:

      “Why is it that WNs have this big stigma against calling White women out on their bullshit, and stigma against calls to reprogram them to a more palable sensible ideology? Yet they will gladly say that White men have poor mindsets?”

      ******************************************************

      Yes, White women do get hysterical whenever their faults are pointed out to them by White men. No doubt a result of Jew conditioning. Negroes and other perennial “victim groups” have also been trained by Jews to respond the same way. “Whuchu lookin’ at, Whitey?” “Dat racis” and “Don’t call me “baby”or “honey”, you White male sexist pig!” Nice work, Jews, turning our own women-folk against us.

      The ancient Athenians had the right idea. Democracy for all responsible White adult male citizens of Athens, not slaves, Negroes, foreigners or women.

    118. misogyn Says:

      Uncoiling like voracious tapeworm, this thread. And some good insights scattered throughout. But you see, they’re all from men. That’s life. Women react, because in reaction they grasp at what they perceive to be threats to their station. Really, we’re not saying we altogether don’t need or want them, only trying to delineate profound differences with very great consequences for us all. Such analysis won’t appeal to every class; lower-class females will lose their heads and tell you you’re acting “like niggers” (which is senseless), higher-class females are “educated”, so their bias is to the left and they’ll paste your remarks elsewhere to show their friends how “crazy” those “white supremacists) are. Point is, you can’t win. Continue the most trenchant thread of analysis and ignore everything else.

      Random repartee …..

      I’ve been a little unfair towards the fairer sex here.

      No you haven’t. No one is being “unfair”; we are merely attempting to describe reality — the social and physical conditions which constitute this reality — as we find it. It happens that women can’t be described in glowing terms as they are on television and in the classroom. Neither can blacks. Nor Jews, nor any other group favored by the Jewish / PC elites to beat us down into worshipful posturing. When someone comes at you telling you your analysis, your criticism is wrong or unchivalrous, and that you should stop and instead hold hands and play nice, you know you’re on the right track and should get as far as possible from the alien conscience which is trying to seduce you into its service.

      I do not understand the point of berating such women. We would all be better off if we had more like them.

      Why? They write the same kind of analysis as white nationalist males have been doing for fifty years, triple that if we include German / French anti-Semitism. That brings us back to women being “good repeaters”, obviously. How many articles uncovering Jewish malfesance do we really need, and are such articles more valuable because something with a clitoris is doing the typing? Sounds like feminist tokenism to me. I’d say white nationalism needs to root this sneaking shit out of its social fabric, but “chivalry” — excessive deference to females regardless of social / eugenic merit — is so ingrained, and in the best of worlds such a delicate flower of the European soul, there’s certainly no hope of it. Anyway, I, at least, don’t believe we need more “Lasha Darkmoon”s. I think that sounds pretty fuckin’ weird. Don’t you?

      How would you feel if someone told your mother or grandmothers that they had the mind of a canine?

      I’d puzzle at the awkwardness of their jibe. If they called my mother a “bitch”, we’d have a fight. In any case no one is calling anyone canine-brained. Or are we? It is probably safe to say that female behavior is more predictable or at least that male behavior, in its fullest social elaboration, is more diverse and creative. Thus we might also say that females are closer to the dog and the proverbial dinner-bell.

      Men are no better.

      This betrays the class of the female making the claim.

      Why is it that WNs have this big stigma against calling White women out on their bullshit, and stigma against calls to reprogram them to a more palable sensible ideology? Yet they will gladly say that White men have poor mindsets?

      They want us to do and be what they want. Simple as that. They’re “free” — like blacks, also “free” to make claims on who we are and what we do, while they can do whatever they are entitled to do by Big Jew. We have no rights with any of them. To know woman is to insult her. Nietzsche said something like that, somewhere.

      Yes, White women do get hysterical whenever their faults are pointed out to them by White men.

      We’re not even talking about “faults”, though. We’re talking about a very complex interplay of factors like female nature, elite control, social innovations, sexual behavior, etc. Even WN females can understand that they’re pawns, but this is quickly forgot in the breathless rush to reassert themselves, to fend for kind and “equalize” by pathetic tit-for-tat jabber about men-doing-it-too. Look, it’s real simple: Women really are just supposed to squeeze out other humans and make food. Most of them still do precisely that, too. There exist pockets of deracinated females who refuse to do it, or have missed their chance, or who have pathologized missing the endless chances, or are too entrenched in their militant singularity or enveloped in comfy individualism, etc. In most other cultures women also work in the fields. God forbid!

      What’d that guy here say? “Life is real simple: Stay alive. Reproduce. Everything else is something someone made up.”

    119. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      An intelligence test for voting is the way to go. This would disenfranchise 90% of the Negroes, 99% of White women, and 10% of White men. The average White woman has a functional IQ of 70, similar to an African Negro.

      Male Negroes have a big advantage over White women. Because of their having some racial mixing with Whites, their IQ is about 85 on average. Average Jew’s IQ is 115 and average white male IQ is 100 by definition.

      Looking at it another way, Negro males are as much smarter than average White women as Jews are smarter than White men.

      The intelligence of smart White women is comparable to average male Negro. That is why they hang with them. This gives them a chance to shine intellectually every now and then.

    120. New America Says:

      Socrates_ one in the filter.

      Thanks!

    121. stan sutton Says:

      giles is a true american, i live in ms, have followed him some. they want even let him talk on radio,hes a little radicule,but that what it takes in these difficult time .imo

    122. 2050 Says:

      One of the better long running threads here in a while.

      While there certainly are IQ differences between men and women, to try to compare our women with niggers is as traitorous talk as I’ve ever heard.

      Those numbers are total crap.

      The IQ of the average Amerikwan is 100. That’s counting niggers, etc. Take them out and white people’s IQs go up a bit. closer to 110. About the same as jews.

      That said I would like to cast my lots with both the women posters here, who I think are pretty good posters overall around here, and I like what misogyn had to say as well.

    123. Curt O'brian Says:

      Well it is a challenge to Jewish superiority. These guys just quietly wanted to dominate the board three months ago with a fairly subtle cycle of mind games. With that Zoroaster guy followed by parasifel/blackshirt/etc. Now they are practically posting two thirds of the posts and it is just flat out aggression.

      I don’t think Tom is one of them and I’m not and neither is that other guy Old Dutch. But you see how they sarcastically are trying to reverse that right? I don’t know what you can do about it. To have a private board with a password is to have a group member list in dangerous times.

      I am very impressed by how organized the Jews have become in just the last few years. The major movies are brazen and so is Television. They OWN the papers. It use to be” think Yiddish talk British” but now it’s just think and talk Yiddish and translate into coarse English.

      I think I can understand if the Chinese or Arabs or anybody else attacks the US in ten years. It is becoming the total tool, even more than before , of the Zionists. The other sophisticated older civilizations must see that?

      What is amazing is their men are such pussies, such cowards, in a fair fight and their women are such hard flinty asexual types. The Jewish inbreeds are winning. Amazing what you can do by lying and working together…

    124. Mary O Says:

      “Look, it’s real simple: Women really are just supposed to squeeze out other humans and make food.”

      Not sure if you really intended this statement to be so vulgar and disrespectful; but there is a certain disconnect in your logic. First, you degrade motherhood, and then rage at women who do not have children?

      The majority of young women actually do want to have children; but our society makes it overly difficult. This topic could fill a book; but a huge number of young White men seem to avoid commitments.

      Motherhood is more than “squeezing out” humans. Human offspring have a quite long period of development; minimally 13 years. Unlike any sort of animal, the human infant is totally dependent on his mother for the first two years. The mother teaches him basic language & social skills, and morality. Women teach children religion (in all cultures). Basically all the crucial learning that must take place in early childhood is the responsibility of the mother.

      Furthermore, the mother must protect her children, and provide for their material needs. Usually, she must make great sacrifices to ensure their good health and well-being. Her culture determines how exactly she manages to provide for her children; but this provision is always a major challenge. The woman requires at least an extremely serious commitment of support from the children’s father. The community in which she lives must also support her relationship to him. The whole culture must reinforce loyalty, responsibilty and the importance of family.

      In earlier cultures, women usually started having children at a younger age. By the time a woman was thirty, she would likely have nearly grown sons & daughters, and need to provide guidance and direction. As a grandmother, she would support her daughters, and pass on to them her knowledge of how best to take care of the children. Our society holds women back from having children at the natural motherhood age; but by the time a woman is natural grandmother age (say 35 years old), she doesn’t have the same needs and wants as she did as a 19-year old. More independent as an adult, she is not so motivated (biologically) to start a family anymore; her inclination is more to be involved with the larger world. Our society is actually more sexist than any other society: feminine nature and priorities are completely subordinated to mere masculine convenience.

      Plus, a lot of the intensity of relationships in the late teens also has a biological imperative: the young parents must bond with each other, and with their children to form a strong family (another selective advantage). Our society tends to encourage a lot of meaningless socializing, and wantoness, for this age group instead.

      Another social problem for today’s mothers is that an infant actually requires 100% of his mother’s attention; but if a woman stays home from formal full-time work, she slips down the hierarchy in the artificial world of work. She may end up isolated from people whom she feels are like herself. For some women, this isolation is very painful; not to mention the lower salary etc. The better care she gives her child the more she slides DOWN the social scale: no wonder our society has such low birth rates.

    125. Adam Says:

      Mary O Says:

      Our society holds women back from having children at the natural motherhood age; but by the time a woman is natural grandmother age (say 35 years old), she doesn’t have the same needs and wants as she did as a 19-year old.

      It would be more accurate to say that society holds white women back from having children as early as nature intended for them to do. Non-white females don’t seem to have this problem. This is yet another instance of differences between the races that are based in genetics. Once again whites are shown to be poorly adapted to survive in the technological system that they themselves invented.

      More independent as an adult, she is not so motivated (biologically) to start a family anymore; her inclination is more to be involved with the larger world.

      Yes. Because of scientific methods of birth control such as birth control pills and “therapeutic” abortion (i.e., abortion on demand), reproduction can easily be delayed until most women no longer want to have children. Hence, the considerable propaganda effort that the system, which desires a low white birthrate, puts into convincing women to go to college, and advance their careers before starting a family. Again a differential effect, as such propaganda seems to be taken to heart more by white females than those of any other race.

      Yet, at bottom, it would be fair to say that the main reason white women do this just because they can. Technical advance – “progress” – has permitted it. Unlike in previous eras, they now have the technical means to follow their natural, individualistc inclinations: they dally and waste their prime breeding years in greed for accumulating consumer goods, pursuit of status in the eyes of their female friends, and even just satiating their sexual lusts and curiosities, which before the invention of scientific means of birth control, wasn’t a path that was open to them. Our birth control technology has enabled a full deployment of innate female egoism and hedonism that heretofore had been kept in restraint by the forces of nature. It has enabled them to become more like men, in this way and others.

      Our society is actually more sexist than any other society: feminine nature and priorities are completely subordinated to mere masculine convenience.

      Men do enjoy having easier access to women’s vaginas, made possible by the existence of scientific means of birth control, true. But seeing this as some kind of sexist plot by the patriarchy to keep women subordinated is deranged.

    126. Irma Grese Says:

      Don’t you know anything about conditioning, woman?

      Sigh. Yes yes, I am well aware of it. What of it?? You know I happen to agree with YOU regarding the need to shame those women who betray our race. All I am saying is that looking at ARYAN women as no better than muds and retards, like some of the closet cases around here have done, will get the White movement exactly NOWHERE. I’ve been listening to some translations of Hitler’s old speeches and so far I haven’t heard HIM denigrating and trash talking females like some kind of nigger rapper.

      Donald E. Pauly Says: An intelligence test for voting is the way to go. This would disenfranchise 90% of the Negroes, 99% of White women, and 10% of White men. The average White woman has a functional IQ of 70, similar to an African Negro.

      Wow, that’s just LOVELY. Good luck trying to build a movement that can take down ZOG with THAT attitude, pal. Alienating 50% of the White population, what a plan! ONE MORE TIME FOR THE BRAIN DAMAGED: White Nationalism will NEVER be able to throw off the jew yoke until White men AND White women can come together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and work towards that end. Ugly misogynist HATRED is a tool that the JEW uses to divide us against one another! DON’T FALL FOR IT OR OUR RACE IS DOOMED. Get it? Got it?? GOOD.

    127. Mary O Says:

      “Yet, at bottom, it would be fair to say that the main reason white women do this just because they can. Technical advance – “progress” – has permitted it. Unlike in previous eras, they now have the technical means to follow their natural, individualistc inclinations: they dally and waste their prime breeding years in greed …”

      The majority (about 2/3) of young women (say age 19) just want the marriage and children. Work, college etc are just a means to an end, a way to pay bills, something forced on them. Maybe another 1/6 prefer to wait until they are older to start a family for whatever reason. Maybe 1/6 simply prefer to remain single (and this fact has always been true, even before any type of reliable birth control existed). But in seeking a husband women often end up wasting time with some guy who isn’t serious or who doesn’t want to make any commitments.

      “Men do enjoy having easier access to women’s vaginas, made possible by the existence of scientific means of birth control, true. But seeing this as some kind of sexist plot by the patriarchy to keep women subordinated is deranged.”

      Not a plot. Our whole society just hates women. Women are not accepted for who we are; but rather society just uses us, and tries to force us to be just short guys. About 2/3 of women really ONLY want children; but society forces women to jump through all these artificially constructed hoops: team sports, formal degree, dating bars … All to make life easier for Chandler-type guys. After all, by cutting the girls’ family out of the loop, he doesn’t even have to bother presenting himself as a decent citizen to them. He doesn’t have to be judged, except by just the girl herself who being young is also naive. A girl can’t be a girl, that in itself would be counter-cultural; society can’t wait to give her a machine gun and send her into combat in Iraq. See our society so prefers and worships men that women must be converted into men. And, women too get stuck with all the hard work of our society, like raising the teenagers, for example.

    128. Ein Says:

      “In a small way, this thread may illustrate why we white nationalists accomplish nothing.” — Stan

      Indeed it does! I think that sums it up very, very well.

    129. Tim McGreen Says:

      After the Revolution, White women must remain barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen until the White population recovers from several hundred years of plague, war and abortion. Then we can talk about “equal rights” and other such niceties.

    130. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystsic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      A Tulku once asked the Buddha, “Sir, is it permissible to make distinctions, since there are, in reality, no distinctions?”

      The Buddha replied, “Since there are no distinctions, there is no distinction between the man who makes distinctions and the man who does not. Go, therefore, and make distinctions.”

      The distinctions between the sexes are necessary, and those who seek to combine us all, without distinctions, as our shit combines in the sewers underneath the city streets, are not following the Tao.

    131. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      That should have been “Mystic.” These old eyes . . .

    132. ENwhiten.com Says:

      Babies can be easily manufactured using 3rd-world women as surrogates (a new biz for India or China) or even animals (perhaps a special breed of pig). One of the advantages of this is that these kids could be raised free from leftist propaganda. You could even introduce a new religion at this time (kids will believe anything). I’d prefer one based on the Greek gods and modern physics. Ladies, you can be replaced!

      http://www.enwhiten.com/?p=486
      http://www.enwhiten.com/?p=732
      http://www.enwhiten.com/?p=707
      http://www.enwhiten.com/?p=1636

    133. Blackshirt Says:

      Irma and Mary are right. But ladies, don’t get upset with most of the posters here, they aren’t all of us White male racists. There are just a lot of woman haters here, probably quite a few who can’t get a date or are too ugly to get any attention from the women around them, so they fantasize about a world where they can force women to do what they want. But it’s all hot air, because they will never get women to willingly become slaves to their husbands again.

      One final note, all this “stay at home and cook me some food and stay pregnant, bitch” stuff is straight out of the Hebrew/bible tradition. This wasn’t the way most of the Pagan European world operated before Christianity (especially the Celtic and Germanic tribes). The Romans and the Greeks did have a more Patriarchal system, but women could achieve high status and influence, despite not being able to participate in politics.

      It is interesting to note that much of the misogyny displayed here is just as kosher as what goes on in the Orthodox Jewish community. Don’t believe me? Go check out how the Orthodox Jews treat their women.

    134. Howdy Doody Says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNQn86vL5zE

    135. Adam Says:

      Mary O Says:

      “Yet, at bottom, it would be fair to say that the main reason white women do this is just because they can. Technical advance – “progress” – has permitted it. Unlike in previous eras, they now have the technical means to follow their natural, individualistc inclinations: they dally and waste their prime breeding years in greed …”

      The majority (about 2/3) of young women (say age 19) just want the marriage and children. Work, college etc are just a means to an end, a way to pay bills, something forced on them.

      Forced? Women are “forced” to become superficial, materialistic sluts? I don’t think so.

      Maybe another 1/6 prefer to wait until they are older to start a family for whatever reason. Maybe 1/6 simply prefer to remain single (and this fact has always been true, even before any type of reliable birth control existed). But in seeking a husband women often end up wasting time with some guy who isn’t serious or who doesn’t want to make any commitments.

      From a white racist point of view, the deleterious effects of birth control technology aren’t confined to just the obvious ones. For instance, they also have the effect of reducing the average number of children that each white woman ends up having, hence the white birth rate dipping to below replacement level – something not true of other races. Further, they are also dysgenic, because intelligent white women are more likely to use birth control technologies than the unintelligent. And, because they enable an endless sexual experimentation, they encourage just the sort of thing you are complaining about: “wasting time with some guy who isn’t serious or who doesn’t want to make any commitments.”

      Though it is not without problems, a hedonistic, materialistic lifestyle is something both sexes find more attractive than the old ways. If white women (or men) were truly interested in abandoning their hedonism and materialism they would do so.

      The hedonistic lifestyle which is enabled by the use of scientific birth control technologies also results in an emotional coarsening of both sexes. Why should a man “make a committment” when he can get all the sex he wants with no committment? And why and how would he possibly want to make a committment to a woman who has been enabled by birth control technologies to have sex with any number of other males before him, one who is very likely on the way to becoming a case hardened slut incapable of “committment” herself, if she is not there already?

      No, I’m convinced that people who minimize the disastrous impact of scientific birth control technologies simply haven’t thought deeply enough about the problem.

      “Men do enjoy having easier access to women’s vaginas, made possible by the existence of scientific means of birth control, true. But seeing this as some kind of sexist plot by the patriarchy to keep women subordinated is deranged.”

      Not a plot.

      When you say, as you did, that “feminine nature and priorities are completely subordinated to mere masculine convenience” you are implying there’s a plot, I think that’s clear.

      Our whole society just hates women. Women are not accepted for who we are; but rather society just uses us, and tries to force us to be just short guys.

      Because technological solutions require a uniform input to produce a uniform output, the natural distinctions of sex and race are things it would prefer don’t exist. This is no plot, and nobody is hating you. It’s just an artifact of the machine.

      About 2/3 of women really ONLY want children; but society forces women to jump through all these artificially constructed hoops: team sports, formal degree, dating bars … All to make life easier for Chandler-type guys.

      Here your patriarchal plot idea re-emerges. Nobody is “forcing” women to do anything. You can do what you want, but of course there’s always a price. People could refrain from the sex and the materialism if they wanted to, but they don’t. That’s the hell of it. That’s “progress”.

      After all, by cutting the girls’ family out of the loop, he doesn’t even have to bother presenting himself as a decent citizen to them. He doesn’t have to be judged, except by just the girl herself who being young is also naive. A girl can’t be a girl, that in itself would be counter-cultural; society can’t wait to give her a machine gun and send her into combat in Iraq.

      Again we see the poisonous hand of technology at work in changing culture. The technology of the machine gun is inherently egalitarian. It can be operated by anyone, man or woman, white or nigger; and because it can be done, it is done.

      See our society so prefers and worships men that women must be converted into men. And, women too get stuck with all the hard work of our society, like raising the teenagers, for example.

      It’s not a question of society preferring and worshipping men. The trend toward feminization of men is equally apparent. Dr. Pierce, for example, complained about it all the time. Like race differences, sex differences are being eliminated by the global technological system. Masculinity, femininity, white culture, black “culture” – it is mixing them all in the same bucket.

    136. O*R*I*O*N Says:

      Last post is right on the mark, Blackshirt.
      Germanic Volksgemeinschaft appreciates and honours women.
      Both in its original pagan and modern NS variant.

      Semitic traditions, both kikish and mudslime, on the other hand, treat women in contemptuous ways, e.g. burkas, genital mutilation, menstruation-“demons”, etc. etc.

      ——————————————————————————–

      Adolf Hitler famously expressed it thus:
      “In my state the mother is the first citizen.”
      Further:
      “The first and deepest representative of the folk is that part which nourishes men from the fertility of the earth, and which perpetuates the nation through the fertility of its family.”
      Again:
      “Work honours the woman as well as the man. The child, however, ennobles the mother”.

      The direct lineal successors to the Hitlerian Reich; the NPD in Germany and its affiliated national-socialist movements across Europe are all devoted to true Volksgemeinschaft, and as such shun the poison of male chauvinism and misogyny.

      Have you ever seen mudslime men party, or even just greet one another? –they kiss and dance among themselves; no women allowed! LOL.

      I’m with Metzger on this one. TT repeatedly reminds us men to be respectful of our women; to show them our appreciation in romantic ways.
      If we lack the surplus of love for our race to do this, and instead succumb to frustration and nourish “horizontal hatred” for our own kindred…
      …then we have truly lost.

      Direct your hatred and contempt against the many enemies of our people –not against our women!!! …who have been brainwashed from cradle to grave, to act as they do, and who are preyed upon by muds of every kind. Come now.

      One last thing: I can recommend WNTube in this regard.
      They expressly forbid misogyny [women bashing] in their forum guidelines.
      http://www.wntube.net/forum/index.php?topic=2.0

    137. 2050 Says:

      Adam, Mary O. means that women are being masculinized because that gives…hmmm. ok try this:

      It is more convenient for men to have sex and not have to take care of a child. Apply this to other areas of life as well, like work. No more inconvenient ‘woman’s work is never done’ stuff. Men don’t have to do the drudgery of housework and screaming kids, they just get to go hang out with the guys at work, come home and have meals conveniently prepared for them. Women, since feminism, a jew movement, are choosing the convenient route of living for themselves, as they were taught to see the lives of men.

      She didn’t mean that it was a plot by men, though it is a plot by jews.

      Mary O. You’re posts are very good. Well written and intelligent.

      So are Adam’s. I think you both are right.

      And, the force of non stop sexualization of young girls, and the non-stop propaganda, via of course the technology we have, is very powerful.

      The jew imposed all these laws that require women to be propagandized into joing the military as you see in full force right now on tv and as they do in schools. Same with team sports in school. The law requires that girls join sports on an equal level with boys. Even though girls are not natural sports enthusiasts, they must be hyped up and motivated to do so through endless ‘isn’t this fun’ propaganda, etc.

    138. 2050 Says:

      I think i messed up the closeing bold tag above^^
      I was just trying to bold force

    139. O*R*I*O*N Says:

      Germanic Volksgemeinschaft appreciates and honours women.
      Both in its original pagan and modern NS variant.

      Semitic traditions, both kikish and mudslime, on the other hand, treat women in contemptuous ways, e.g. burkas, genital mutilation, menstruation-“demons”, etc. etc.

      ——————————————————————————–

      Adolf Hitler famously expressed it thus:
      “In my state the mother is the first citizen.”
      Further:
      “The first and deepest representative of the folk is that part which nourishes men from the fertility of the earth, and which perpetuates the nation through the fertility of its family.”
      Again:
      “Work honours the woman as well as the man. The child, however, ennobles the mother”.

      The direct lineal successors to the Hitlerian Reich; the NPD in Germany and its affiliated national-socialist movements across Europe are all devoted to true Volksgemeinschaft, and as such shun the poison of male chauvinism and misogyny.

      Have you ever seen mudslime men party, or even just greet one another? –they kiss and dance among themselves; no women allowed! LOL.

      I’m with Metzger on this one. TT repeatedly reminds us men to be respectful of our women; to show them our appreciation in romantic ways.
      If we lack the surplus of love for our race to do this, and instead succumb to frustration and nourish “horizontal hatred” for our own kindred…
      …then we have truly lost.

      Direct your hatred and contempt against the many enemies of our people –not against our women!!! …who have been brainwashed from cradle to grave, to act as they do, and who are preyed upon by muds of every kind. Come now.

      One last thing: I can recommend WNTube in this regard.
      They expressly forbid misogyny [women bashing] in their forum guidelines.

      http://www.wntube.net/forum/index.php?topic=2.0

    140. Adam Says:

      And, the force of non stop sexualization of young girls, and the non-stop propaganda, via of course the technology we have, is very powerful.

      Yes, certainly. This is another kind of force, however.

      Being “forced” to grow up in a culture in which young white girls get mentally raped by seeing male niggers interacting with white women in sexual ways in mass media, or even non-sexual ones, is another aspect of the way the technological system deforms a culture. Given the amount of time most people spend watching movies and TV, it probably would not be an exaggeration to state that the average white girl nowadays gets mentally raped by niggers over 30,000 times before she reaches physiological adulthood. (Say 10 times per day for 10 years, from ages 6 – 16.)
      This also has a coarsening effect.

      But we have to understand that, even so, the force involved here is illusory. No one is holding a gun to women’s heads “forcing” them to watch the propaganda. It’s simply a cultural norm that most find it more pleasant to conform to than not. If they truly wanted not to see it, they could read Jane Austen books instead, but they don’t.

      When Mary says she is “forced” into some behavior what she appears to mean is that she must do it in order to obtain something she thinks is valuable. For instance, she may think she is “forced” to get a degree in order to become more employable, which implies that she thinks being employable is valuable. And maybe she’s right. After all, without a good-paying job, how will she be able to buy all of those consumer goods that the TV is “forcing” her to buy? Without the status and lifestyle such a good-paying job would enable, how could she ever hope to attract a husband and have the 1.5 kids the culture is “forcing” her to do? So, you see, she is “forced” to get a degree.

      But all of this force is only an illusion. She could behave differently if she truly wanted to. She’s just not willing to pay the price of non-conformity. In the same way, white people are not “forced” to do anything by the propaganda produced by the system. They may subjectively experience it as being forced, but that’s only because they are who they are and don’t want to change. Most people just go along to get along. As Dr. Pierce said, all but a few are lemmings, and a lemming is far more interested in what other lemmings are thinking than in objective reality.

      The jew imposed all these laws that require women to be propagandized into joing the military as you see in full force right now on tv and as they do in schools. Same with team sports in school. The law requires that girls join sports on an equal level with boys. Even though girls are not natural sports enthusiasts, they must be hyped up and motivated to do so through endless ‘isn’t this fun’ propaganda, etc.

      This is just more of the leveling tendency that stems from the inherently egalitarian nature of technique. There is also a Darwinian factor here, namely, once military technology has reached the level that men as well as women can be made into soldiers, a country that refuses to use them in that capacity is at a disadvantage, since countries that draw an army from the whole populace will be able to call up twice as many soldiers as those which do not. Hence they will be stronger and more likely to win. Team sports? This is preparation for life in the workplace, or in the military. Such preparation is now widely thought to be the most important goal of education, in case you haven’t been paying attention. See the quote from Ellul’s book which I posted earlier in this thread for an explanation of why this is so.

    141. Adam Says:

      2050 Says:

      And, the force of non stop sexualization of young girls, and the non-stop propaganda, via of course the technology we have, is very powerful.

      Yes, certainly. This is another kind of force, however.

      Being “forced” to grow up in a culture in which young white girls get mentally raped by seeing male niggers interacting with white women in sexual ways in mass media, or even non-sexual ones, is another aspect of the way the technological system deforms a culture. Given the amount of time most people spend watching movies and TV, it probably would not be an exaggeration to state that the average white girl nowadays gets mentally raped by niggers over 30,000 times before she reaches physiological adulthood. (Say 10 times per day for 10 years, from ages 6 – 16.)
      This also has a coarsening effect.

      But we have to understand that, even so, the force involved here is illusory. No one is holding a gun to women’s heads “forcing” them to watch the propaganda. It’s simply a cultural norm that most find it more pleasant to conform to than not. If they truly wanted not to see it, they could read Jane Austen books instead, but they don’t.

      When Mary says she is “forced” into some behavior what she appears to mean is that she must do it in order to obtain something she thinks is valuable. For instance, she may think she is “forced” to get a degree in order to become more employable, which implies that she thinks being employable is valuable. And maybe she’s right. After all, without a good-paying job, how will she be able to buy all of those consumer goods that the TV is “forcing” her to buy? Without the status and lifestyle such a good-paying job would enable, how could she ever hope to attract a husband and have the 1.5 kids the culture is “forcing” her to do? So, you see, she is “forced” to get a degree.

      But all of this force is only an illusion. She could behave differently if she truly wanted to. She’s just not willing to pay the price of non-conformity. In the same way, white people are not “forced” to do anything by the propaganda produced by the system. They may subjectively experience it as being forced, but that’s only because they are who they are and don’t want to change. Most people just go along to get along. As Dr. Pierce said, all but a few are lemmings, and a lemming is far more interested in what other lemmings are thinking than in objective reality.

      The jew imposed all these laws that require women to be propagandized into joing the military as you see in full force right now on tv and as they do in schools. Same with team sports in school. The law requires that girls join sports on an equal level with boys. Even though girls are not natural sports enthusiasts, they must be hyped up and motivated to do so through endless ‘isn’t this fun’ propaganda, etc.

      This is just more of the leveling tendency that stems from the inherently egalitarian nature of technique. There is also a Darwinian factor here, namely, once military technology has reached the level that men as well as women can be made into soldiers, a country that refuses to use them in that capacity is at a disadvantage, since countries that draw an army from the whole populace will be able to call up twice as many soldiers as those which do not. Hence they will be stronger and more likely to win. Team sports? This is preparation for life in the workplace, or in the military. Such preparation is now widely thought to be the most important goal of education, in case you haven’t been paying attention. See the quote from Ellul’s book which I posted earlier in this thread for an explanation of why this is so.

    142. Tim McGreen Says:

      The Third Reich awarded the Mother’s Cross to women who bore more than three children, I believe. But I guess using the “logic” of some of the more “sensitive”and “understanding” posters here, that means Der Fuhrer was a pathological woman-hater. After all, he wanted German women to give birth to large, healthy White families, didn’t he? What a crime.

      Like the Jew feminists say, a woman’s career and selfish personal interests should always take precedence over having a baby, right? A lot of people posting here have obviously been taken in by 40 years of Jew-feminist propaganda without having realized it. Yet they accuse their opponents of having an Old Testament/Orthodox Jew mentality about women. Which side has really been more Judaized, I wonder?

      And I suppose the Vikings, the Saxons and the Normans believed in female equality, eh? Their men fought and conquered, their women stayed at home and raised the children. Everyone knew their place and there was no domestic or social turmoil like we have in this screwed-up society.

      Too many of our White women have become brazen and haughty. In other words they behave like the worst kind of men. Competing with them for the same scarce jobs, putting them in uniform and sending them off to fight in Iraq, encouraging them to go to college and pursue their selfish career goals instead of doing what Nature herself intended them to do….No sane society would allow any of this.

    143. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      Some have taken offense at the simple biological fact of how stupid the average White woman is. At least every Jewish Princess that I have met is not stupid. The White Nationalist women who post are in the upper 1% of White female intelligence. It is time for this cream of the crop to admit how stupid their sisters who passed for White actually are and help us do something about it.

      It is not rocket science to avoid having sex with Negroes, yet this is beyond the intelligence of the vast majority of White women. Those who have understood the Jewish Question for several years will remember the brilliant writer Carol Ward. She gladly offered to give up her vote if it would keep other White women from voting. She would be one of those 1% of females who should be allowed to vote.

      Only one White woman in a 100 is fit to breed. Ten in a hundred are fit to give birth to garbage collectors and their equivalent. The remainder should be used as surrogate mothers to carry the eggs of the smartest 1% to term. In a single generation, the damage done by 100 years of Jewry can be reversed. We need polyandry, not polygamy.

    144. JoeG Says:

      “In my country there is a saying. Beat your wife every day because if you don’t know why, she does!” – quote from the movie Rendition

      Even the Arabs know how to keep women in line. American men are the biggest pussies in the world. That’s why this country has turned to crap. Don’t just blame it on the Jews. Look in the mirror…

    145. JoeG Says:

      “Men with lots of complaints about women show signs of homosexuality.” – Karen

      What the hell is this about. Why don’t you gt a clue. I love to screw women and have never considered being a homo. I’d rather kill myself. In yet, I utterly despise American women. You’re only good for sport fu’kin.

    146. Irma Grese Says:

      Blackshirt Says: It is interesting to note that much of the misogyny displayed here is just as kosher as what goes on in the Orthodox Jewish community. Don’t believe me? Go check out how the Orthodox Jews treat their women.

      Hey Blackshirt I’ve noticed that, too! Many of the posters here – ESPECIALLY misogyn, factmeter, Pauly & Tim McGreen – might as well be Fundy Muslims or Baptists from the way they talk about women. Note that BOTH religions have their origins in kikism and thus share many of it’s mental defects: violent antipathy to logic and facts, emotionalism and of course an overwhelming desire to subjugate and oppress others – even if those “others” are their own people!

      Well, to hell with them. When the revolution finally comes we’ll just have to stand their type up against the wall right along side the kikes and niggers who’s cause they serve through their divisive misogyny. Now I’m DONE with this disgusting thread! My Profs have piled a LOT of homework on me for this weekend and I want to get started early. Guten tag!

    147. Tim McGreen Says:

      Unfortunately, for every Irma Grese, there are about 1,000 Heidi Klums, Nicole Brown Simpsons and other such brain-dead White bimbos who are enemies of their own race. Miss Irma is a one-woman panzer division!

      But putting Irma and other such remarkable, all too rare exceptions aside…..If you were to show up for a pro-White rally, who do you think would be throwing shit at you and calling you a racist pig? Who do you think will be shreiking the loudest, calling you every name in the book? That’s right, some spoiled White liberal female, that’s who! And who is it that’s always trying to curry favor with the token Black guy in class or at the office? Right again, some spoiled White liberal female. And is it just a coincidence that all the cheerladers at NFL and NBA games are White, while almost all of the players are Black? Do you think any of those cheerleaders have a problem with that?

      I think I’ve met maybe two truly race-concious White females so far, two White sisters who weren’t afraid to ridicule Jews or niggers. Both were of German descent, interestingly enough. The rest of the females I’ve known were, for the most part, decent enough, but if they had any racist beliefs they were extremely well-hidden.

      So, I would exempt Miss Irma from having to go barefoot in the kitchen……………..at least for a while. But as for the rest of the White women-folk, they will have to be fitted, if necessary, with a ball and chain to make sure they stay put and behave themselves.

    148. Howdy Doody Says:

      Any of the NKVD dyko’s reading will be wetting their bib overall’s.

    149. Mary O Says:

      Three points:

      1. Some people objected to my statement that women are forced to jump through hoops like getting formal degrees. The pressure to attend college is almost insurmountable. If esp. a bright girl decided not to go, because she didn’t want to be “materialistic,” or just live her whole life for the sake of her “career,” her parents would probably drag her to a psychiatrist. And, what alternatives would then be available for her? Plus, don’t forget that all her friends would be going to college. Also, in some parts of the country rent & housing costs are huge. She will feel that she has been left with very little choice; in that sense, she is forced to go to college.

      2. The “women are stupid” attitude in part fuels the whole problem. Feminism took off after about three decades of (Jewish) TV programming in which women were portrayed as ditzy, manipulative spendthrifts like Lucille Ball. Women felt alienated by this programming. Many women felt that they had to prove themselves; that is, prove that they were competent, responsible and capable human beings; therefore, they sought advanced education and demanding professional jobs. However, in most (healthy) societies, the reverse is true; the men are the ones who need to prove themselves to the society and esp. to women.

      Alex Linder criticizes women in general for not being as creative as men, but what drives creative genius? To large extent, most creative men are trying either overtly or subconsciously to impress women; however, women don’t usually need to have tremendous accomplishments to attract a husband. Therefore, women just don’t have the same level of motivation to achieve in science or other fields.

      3. We cannot see men and women as separate and conflicting political interests. This idea of men vs. women is Communist, and only results in our oppression as a race.

      The main problem for women is that today’s jobs are so demanding that they cannot devote enough time to their children. But if they do not conform to the workworld, (as I mentioned before) they lose their social status & seniority in their position, and often their husband’s income is not sufficient to support the family comfortably. Should they somehow end up divorced, they might be plunged into extreme poverty & end up living in some mixed-race housing project. How should a woman balance this conflict? WN needs to come up with some creative solutions …

    150. Tim McGreen Says:

      It’s a paradox that going to college for White women is supposed to be a symbol of female liberation, yet as Mary O says it seems many White women are all but forced to go to college, in the same way they were once forced to stay at home, find a husband and raise a family. Those Jew-dyke feminists are such tyrannical hypocrites.

    151. Adam Says:

      Mary O Says:

      Three points:

      1. Some people objected to my statement that women are forced to jump through hoops like getting formal degrees. The pressure to attend college is almost insurmountable. If esp. a bright girl decided not to go, because she didn’t want to be “materialistic,” or just live her whole life for the sake of her “career,” her parents would probably drag her to a psychiatrist. And, what alternatives would then be available for her? Plus, don’t forget that all her friends would be going to college. Also, in some parts of the country rent & housing costs are huge. She will feel that she has been left with very little choice; in that sense, she is forced to go to college.

      That’s a pretty accurate account of it. It would take a very non-conformist, very independent-minded female to rebel in such a way. Ordinarily when women rebel they even rebel in conformist ways, e.g., with a tattoo or a piercing, or bringing home a nigger boyfriend. True non-conformity has a price tag that is beyond what most women are prepared to pay. The loss of reputation, livelihood, family, and friends that true non-conformity may often entail is inconceivable to them. In my life I’ve met plenty of intelligent women, but very few if any non-conformist women.

      2. The “women are stupid” attitude in part fuels the whole problem. Feminism took off after about three decades of (Jewish) TV programming in which women were portrayed as ditzy, manipulative spendthrifts like Lucille Ball. Women felt alienated by this programming. Many women felt that they had to prove themselves; that is, prove that they were competent, responsible and capable human beings; therefore, they sought advanced education and demanding professional jobs. However, in most (healthy) societies, the reverse is true; the men are the ones who need to prove themselves to the society and esp. to women.

      This is a strange narrative. First of all, I doubt that women were alienated by Lucille Ball, who was probably the most popular female comedian in television history. Her depiction of a housewife and mother was certainly no more demeaning than Al Bundy’s depiction of a husband and father in “Married with Children”, or Katy Seagal’s depiction of Mrs. Al Bundy, for that matter. A damned sight less, in fact. Second, and most importantly, without the invention of the birth control pill, which was in widespread use by 1963, and without the legalization of therapeutic abortion (Roe v. Wade, 1973), women would have been forced to remain at home, barefoot and pregnant. That’s just a fact of biology. Without scientific birth control feminism is nothing. Its entire program could never have been implemented.

      Alex Linder criticizes women in general for not being as creative as men, but what drives creative genius? To large extent, most creative men are trying either overtly or subconsciously to impress women; however, women don’t usually need to have tremendous accomplishments to attract a husband. Therefore, women just don’t have the same level of motivation to achieve in science or other fields.

      Again, a rather shaky theory, I think. Schopenhauer was one of the greatest German geniuses, and he was as misogynistic as anyone here. Impressing women was the last thing on his mind. Others, like Kant and Thoreau, were pretty much asexual creatures who were thought to have died virgins. Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Oscar Wilde, and others were homosexuals. We can surmise that they probably weren’t trying to impress women.

      Your motivation theory of creativity implies that if women could be properly motivated, they would then achieve at the same level as men. All history testifies that that just isn’t so.

      This idea is reminiscent of the ideas of the so-called anti-Semites on this site whom I have to constantly keep reminding that genetic differences between whites and Jews ARE important. They also have this wacky motivation theory that if whites simply TRY HARDER to be like Jews, they’ll be able to outjew them. It ain’t necessarily so, McGee.

      Sex differences are as genetic as race differences. I think that you should just face the fact that women as a group aren’t able to achieve at the same intellectual level as men, and that’s a matter of genes, not motivations.

      3. We cannot see men and women as separate and conflicting political interests. This idea of men vs. women is Communist, and only results in our oppression as a race.

      The main problem for women is that today’s jobs are so demanding that they cannot devote enough time to their children. But if they do not conform to the workworld, (as I mentioned before) they lose their social status & seniority in their position, and often their husband’s income is not sufficient to support the family comfortably.

      For evolutionary reasons, women are intensely concerned with status and material comforts, especially how they are seen in the eyes of other women. In chimpanzees, for example, a female’s high status is correlated with increased survival chances for her offspring. Women just don’t buck social pressure. There’s no percentage in it for them. I believe this built-in female tendency to conform also has something to do with the lack of female genius. Conformists do not come up with the new theories, the new perspectives on things, that is the stuff of genius.

      Should they somehow end up divorced, they might be plunged into extreme poverty & end up living in some mixed-race housing project. How should a woman balance this conflict? WN needs to come up with some creative solutions …

      Okay, here’s my idea: Destroy the global technological system, and build a new white world on its ashes. Did I win anything?

    152. Zoroastro Says:

      Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Oscar Wilde, and others were homosexuals.

      Leonardo? Michelangelo?
      Kikes’ horseshit.
      Notice how in their almost every brilliant genius was defective in any manner they can come up with on the controlled, horseshit info-boards like Wikipedia.
      On the other hand, I don’t have anything against brilliant homosexuals like Oscar Wilde who knew Mr. Nosey Hebrew.

    153. Vaultner Says:

      Hey Irma,

      Not to sound like I’m defending jews or anything but Orthodox jew women don’t shave. Not just the finer points either legs, under arms, disgusting.

      Honestly if White women did that we’d treat you all a lot worse than a little sexist wrangling.

      You see the big problem is that there are not enough White women to go around. There’s no even trade when a monkey, mud or jew gets a White woman we White men are left with sasquach like whores that we can’t even stand the sight of. Along with this the majority of White women think diversity is great, because in their minds change = progress.

      The complaint as I see it does not cut out 50% of the movement as some have indicated but points out that the skewed logic of most White women is the leading cause of our dilemma much as the Joe six pack ESPN watching idiot who pays no attention to the goings on in our country.

      Someone on this thread said there are 1,000 idiot White women to every Irma Grese, I’d say it’s more like 100,000.

    154. Marwinsing Says:

      My secret confession revealed to the world at last, I have a crush on the ghost of Hanna Reitsch: “C’mon Hanna let’s fly to the moon…” (in yer dreams sweetie)

    155. misogyn Says:

      This thread has been rendered truly valuable, at least to me, by Adam’s commentary, all uniquely trenchant, profound, and very smoothly written. Here’s a guy who can think outside the usual limiting dialectic, and write about it for the benefit of those smart enough to grasp it. Not including women, naturally. It all comes down to dynamic / non-conformist behavior, that which sets man apart as a creative spirit as opposed to the creative body, woman. There are a hundred ways to express that, and not one of them will women accept, who are, per the will of the zeitgeist, ever on the defensive against imputations of inequality. This in turn comes down grasping at social leverage, or power, delegated via dialectic, or discourse as the leftists would have it; sociobiology threatens women, and the poor things have only a weak TV caricature (“Chandler”), or juvenile accusations of latent homosexuality, to fall back on. To turn the tables here, they deserve out pity, not our scorn. But really I just think we ought to ignore them as much as possible, LOL.

      Mary tells me mommies are responsible for the smothering of their babies until age 13. Ok. I tell you I’ve seen a Guatemalan boy of four hauling a bundle of logs thrice his size up a mountain on his little brown back, with energy enough to spare a smile as he passed me on my (symbolic?) way down. Another time, I followed a Nepali girl of seven carrying a fuckin’ BOULDER of hay, tied with string, five or six miles back to her village without breaking a sweat on a blistering day. Humans are soft if you make them soft, they’re hard if you make them hard. The Marys of this world would increase softness. That isn’t good. The Marys shouldn’t be having children. Does the world need more soft white people?

      And say what you want about Orthodox Jewesses, but they dress modestly, are quiet in public, and unfailingly have 3 or 4 kids with them. Not to suggest we should or can emulate Jewish behavior, but comparing that to what’s on offer here …. any reason we shan’t be envious?

    156. Mary O Says:

      “Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Oscar Wilde, and others were homosexuals.”

      Impressing women is one of the main motivators for male creativity, but certainly not the the only one. Besides, it’s the same difference: if men are not interested in impressing women, then they have to catch the attention of desirable young men. Young gay males love nothing more than to brag of the celebrities whom they meet at their parties. Maybe the need to impress is even greater for gay males; since a woman’s interest tends to go beyond just the superficial.

      Homosexuals can be very creative, esp. in interior design, fashion and organizing social events; but generally straight men actually outperform them in every creative field. Eugene O’Neill and Arthur Miller (although Jewish) tower over gay writers like Tom Stoppard or Alan Ginsberg. Gay Truman Capote was a truly great writer, but he is an exception. Some people think that gay dominance over the NYC theatre scene is what killed Broadway, since gay men lack the intellectual vigor of straight men. Certainly, they lack the maturity.

      Even in art: compare Cezanne or Matisse or Picasso (okay, many people dislike him) or even Jackson Pollack to almost any gay artist. Gay John Singer Sargent achieved greatness, but JMO his work is marred by a certain cattiness that runs through his portraits, esp. his portraits of wealthy women. Da Vinci was an exception.

      Furthermore, Oscar Wilde had numerous relationships with women, including his devoted wife, Constance; he also had two sons, and JMO was more of a bisexual. If Hemingway and Fitzgerald were gay at all (= Jewish myth), they were bisexuals.

      Shakespeare is now believed to have been bisexual, but even his identity has never been clearly established. Beyond that the greatest novelist of all time was (straight) Leo Tolstoi. Also, Henry James, Edgar Allen Poe, James Joyce, Robert Frost & John Keats were all straight.

    157. Mary O Says:

      “… sociobiology threatens women, and the poor things have only a weak TV caricature (”Chandler”), or juvenile accusations of latent homosexuality, to fall back on.”

      No, according to sociobiology (Edmund O. Wilson), women pretty much rule. All cultural achievement is basically men trying to prove themselves as worthy husbands and fathers.

      “Mary tells me mommies are responsible for the smothering of their babies until age 13.”

      Huh? Like where did I say that?

      Women must accept responsibility for providing for their children (love, attention, food, clothing, safety, shelter, education), and this commitment lasts minimally 13 years. This response was to a poster who claimed that women just push out a child. No, a women bears a child, and then must protect and take care of that child for minimally (depends on culture) 13 years. The long development period for human offspring is due to the large human brain, and the complexity of our cultures.

      [Violins …] “I’ve seen a Guatemalan boy of four hauling a bundle of logs thrice his size up a mountain on his little brown back, with energy enough to spare a smile as he passed me on my (symbolic?) way down. Another time, I followed a Nepali girl of seven carrying a fuckin’ BOULDER …”

      Yuck! Were you in the Peace Corps or something?

      BTW: General comment: so many posters here are using the phrase “barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.” If you believe that White women need to produce more children, then you should be more positive on selling the idea. How about “respected, loved, surrounded by her beautiful children” or some other positive phrase? First of all, “barefoot”? Shoes are not that expensive. Pregnant sounds medical; but “with child” might be too prissy. “In the kitchen” is not poetic. How about “enjoying the companionship of her loving husband and beautiful children inside their happy & peaceful home”?

      The key point: you make motherhood and marriage sound so degrading, but you also rage at women for apparently rejecting the prospect. Point out the rewards for women instead.

    158. Mary O Says:

      “And say what you want about Orthodox Jewesses, but they dress modestly, are quiet in public, and unfailingly have 3 or 4 kids with them.”

      More like one or two kids max, unless you are talking about the Hasids. They are also graceless, obsessive and pushy.

      “Not to suggest we should or can emulate Jewish behavior, but comparing that to what’s on offer here …. any reason we shan’t be envious?”

      Yaay-ahss, shan’t we not, indeeeed?

    159. Stronza Says:

      No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women. How many of you here who are contemptuous of women are actually married, with children?

    160. Adam Says:

      Mary O Says:

      General comment: so many posters here are using the phrase “barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.” If you believe that White women need to produce more children, then you should be more positive on selling the idea.

      Nothing degrading about a woman going barefoot, or being pregnant, or in the kitchen for that matter. As Nietzsche said:

      “Everything in woman is a riddle, and everything in woman has one solution—that is pregnancy. Man is for woman a means: the purpose is always the child. But what is woman for man?
      “A real man wants two things: danger and play. Therefore he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything. Man shall be educated for war, and woman for the recreation of the warrior: all else is folly [ … ]

      “The happiness of man is: I will. The happiness of woman is: he wills. ‘Behold, just now the world became perfect!’—thus thinks every woman when she obeys out of entire love. And women must obey and find a depth for her surface. Surface is the disposition of woman: a mobile, stormy film over shallow water. Man’s disposition, however, is deep; his river roars in subterranean caves: woman feels his strength but does not comprehend it.”
      -Friedrich Nietzsche, ‘On Little Old and Young Women’ in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, trans. Walter Kaufman, in The Portable Nietzsche, New York: Penguin Books, 1954, p.178-9.

    161. Mary O Says:

      “Sex differences are as genetic as race differences. I think that you should just face the fact that women as a group aren’t able to achieve at the same intellectual level as men, and that’s a matter of genes, not motivations.”

      But yet what is achievement anyway? Is writing some law brief really more important than teaching a child to walk? Genetically, no.

    162. Mary O Says:

      “No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women. How many of you here who are contemptuous of women are actually married, with children?

      Thank you, Stronza! You hit the nail right on the head. Frankly, single childless women should read this thread for that wonderful “dodged a bullet” feeling.

    163. Mary O Says:

      “Any of the NKVD dyko’s reading will be wetting their bib overall’s.”

      What is the NKVD?

    164. Tim McGreen Says:

      “Any of the NKVD dyko’s reading will be wetting their bib overall’s.”

      What is the NKVD?”

      ******************************************************
      See? Women don’t know anything.

      BTW, if you White girls want some respect, how about losing some weight and looking like these chicks? Then I’ll respect you all night long, baby.

      http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Vintage_Sexy_Stewardess_Flight_Attendant_Pictures/Stewardess_Girl_Pictures_ACP.jpg

    165. Tim McGreen Says:

      That’s how White girls used to look, “back in the day”. Now, far too many of them are fat and un-couth, with pierced orifices and hideous tatoos. Whatever happened to White girls looking and acting feminine? Is it any wonder normally civilized guys like me are starting to act the way we do? We’ve had enough of Women’s Lib and sensitive, Alan Alda/Robert Redford type guys making excuses for those dumb broads.

      A fat White girl was on TV recently, maybe it was Dr. Phil. She was telling the audience that her doctor said if she didn’t lose some weight, only the Black guys would look at her anymore. She lost the weight. That doctor deserves an award for his sound advice.

    166. Howdy Doody Says:

      Tim McGreen Says:

      25 September, 2009 at 11:24 pm

      That’s how White girls used to look, “back in the day”. Now, far too many of them are fat and un-couth, with pierced orifices and hideous tatoos.
      UN-QUOTE\

      Okay, I am sucked back in for another post after reading that.

      I have to traveling a little bit to use a Vet facility for my wonderful dogs.

      I have to put up with a full staff of women, and that would be Fine, Okay, but the the ONLY normal women are the book keeper and officer manager!

      The Main over the counter Interrogator/greeter has a Peirced Tongue, a peirced Nose, and lower lip, she is Fat, and very low profile hostile.

      If I there was another Vets office for dogs I would use, but the others are too far, and if you have an emergency you can shoot your self in the foot.

      Remember women have the GOVERNMENT as their First husband Always and they know it, and it is another reason that so many are the way they are.

      Sad state of affairs.

    167. Howdy Doody Says:

      As for the pin cushioned receptionist she is spoken to politely by me, and IMO its just plain sad.

      My last post on this one.

    168. april gaede Says:

      Clever and attractive women do not want to vote, they are willing to let men govern as long as they govern men. George Bernard Shaw

    169. Ian Says:

      With the 21st century Western women, including non-white ones, it is all about the maintenance of privilege. They don’t want the white Western man forming a relationship with the Third World woman, although they can have relationships, of a most sexual nature, with any men.
      In the USA marriage by agency of American men with foreign women, was made very difficult by the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005, pushed through Congress without debate, attached to anti-abuse legislation. The main player was Senator Maria Cantwell. Her claim was that American men exploited third world brides. The fact that thousands of women from non-western societies wanted to marry American men was irrelevant. Also the fact that the rate of domestic violence was much, much lower in such marriages, especially murder, both ways, was irrelevant. I think Cantwell and her fellow feminists were worried that they might lose their privileged position if non-western women came in, like strike-breaking labour.
      The IMBRA legislation did not cover American women marrying foreign men, nor did it cover homosexuals bringing third-world boyfriends into the USA. Senator Maria Cantwell seemed unconcerned by a rich homo importing a young Brazilian male to service him, but outraged by marriages between American men and third-world women.

    170. Ian Says:

      I included non-white Western women, because there are numerous privileged such women here in England, given titles such as ”baroness” even. Recently the Attorney-General of the UK, Baroness Scotland, a more-or-less black woman, was found to be employing a non-registered blackwoman from Tonga, as her personal cleaner. Scotland paid a fine, minor compared to her salary etc.. She did not stand by the cleaner, who was detained and has now disappeared from view. Privileged western Blackwoman Baroness Scotland is quite at home with her fellow western feminists, not with third world multiple mothers.

    171. Biff Baxter Says:

      Without women and children, life wouldn’t be worth living. Civilizations are created solely to protect our racial progeny through organized society.

      On the other hand, there is no means quicker to destroy a civilization than to pretend that women are men’s equals. It’s greased rails to armageddon every time.

      I’m 46 and I have never met a women who could think. Never. I’ve never even met a woman smart enough to realize she wasn’t capable of thinking, either. They just don’t know any better.

    172. Mary O Says:

      “Senator Maria Cantwell [claimed] that American men exploited third world brides. The fact that thousands of women from non-western societies wanted to marry American men was irrelevant.”

      We Whites should be grateful to this Ms. Cantwell! Those Asian “marriages” are nothing but a waste of White genes. They corrupt our White bloodlines with deracinated half & half nobodies.

      Why do White guys want these Asian chicks so badly? Perhaps their naturally slender frames suggest an adolescent (and therefore younger) White woman, but their male offspring will also inherit this slighter build.

      Asians in general do have many admirable qualities, but only a woman of their criminal classes would advertise to be some stranger’s bride.

      Asian-White relationships too always seem to have a false quality: the White man overly solicitous of his “fragile” exotic, the Asian woman gently “educating” him. These guys suffer from a totally needless cultural inferiority complex.

      Also, the fact that Asian culture is so unfathomable to us (and visa versa) precludes true intimacy. Buddhism and other aspects of their culture can be fascinating, but in a spouse, doesn’t one need someone who actually understands your feelings at a much deeper level? An Asian wife might be quite dutiful, but marriage is more than just a set of duties.

    173. Mary O Says:

      “I’m 46 and I have never met a women who could think. Never. I’ve never even met a woman smart enough to realize she wasn’t capable of thinking, either. They just don’t know any better.”

      You hang around with retards?

    174. Mary O Says:

      “BTW, if you White girls want some respect, how about losing some weight and looking like these chicks? Then I’ll respect you all night long, baby.”

      Those minidresses are immodest, esp. on a stewardess. All those foreigners could look straight up their dresses. However, that photo is much more tame than what I expected. They do look like nice girls.

      Of course, everyone should maintain correct weight, and get lots of exercise.

      But it also seems that White men are something of “looks-connoisseurs.” Other races don’t have anything like this pickiness, and we don’t seem to have had this phenomenon in the past. Perhaps modern White men are so bombarded with (highly doctored) images of perfect White girls that their image of what a woman should be is skewed.

    175. Mary O Says:

      “[Baroness Scotland] did not stand by the cleaner, who was detained and has now disappeared from view. [She] is quite at home with her fellow western feminists, not with third world multiple mothers.”

      Thank God! The last thing we need is more of them.

    176. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      [[april gaede Says:

      26 September, 2009 at 2:44 am

      Clever and attractive women do not want to vote, they are willing to let men govern as long as they govern men. George Bernard Shaw]]

      April goes to the heart of the issue. White men have allowed Jews to rule them which has caused this discord with our White women.

    177. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      [[Tim McGreen Says:

      So, I would exempt Miss Irma from having to go barefoot in the kitchen……………..at least for a while. But as for the rest of the White women-folk, they will have to be fitted, if necessary, with a ball and chain to make sure they stay put and behave themselves.]]

      Tim makes a good point but balls and chain are unnecessary.
      White Bimbos who love Negroes can make excellent surrogate mothers to carry the eggs to term of those rare White women with brains. Make them earn their daily bread by serving as incubators.

    178. Vaultner Says:

      “No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women.”

      Bill Clinton married a woman that hates men & Whites aren’t we all equal, LOL. But then who’s to say Bill has more than minimal brain function.

      Woman in general hate real controversy unless it’s a silly argument. Hence the term “Can’t we all just get along?”.

      Donald E. Pauly said:

      “White Bimbos who love Negroes can make excellent surrogate mothers to carry the eggs to term of those rare White women with brains. Make them earn their daily bread by serving as incubators.”

      Bad idea Telogony if I’m spelling it right is when a mud screws a White woman enough to change her DNA there by changing the surrogate babies DNA by proxy.

      The propaganda that everyone on the Earth has such similar DNA let to go with the idea that we need to mix in order to stay alive is false. They’re only showing the surface like an outline that says we are all humanoid.

    179. Tim McGreen Says:

      Doesn’t it seem that White girls were better looking in the 1960s and 1970s than they are now? Maybe it’s because inferior Mud genes that were introduced into our Race by fat, stupid White girls starting around thirty years ago have since worked their way throughout most of the rest of the White gene-pool. Or maybe it’s because millions of the best young men of our Race were killed off in all those Jew-instigated wars of the last century, leaving only the dregs behind to breed more of their own kind. Or maybe it’s the easy access to cheap, unhealthy junk-food that’s ruining our women inside and out?

      Mary O makes a very interesting point about how UN-picky the men of other races are when it comes to selecting women. I guess they’re not picky because their females all look pretty much the same, the way penguins and zebras all look alike, even to each other. I mean, how would one Chink describe another Chink? “Uh, he glot brack hair and yerrow skin and he glot sranted eye, too, rike me. He no rook rike white peopr with yerrow hair and lound brue eye, ha-ha. Da white peopr awrays rook da same to da Chinee peopr. And da brack peopr rook rike monkee. Ha-ha.”

    180. Mary O Says:

      Looks are only superficial, of course; but back in the 60s & 70s women were not under so much pressure. They had a lot more time to devote to fixing their hair in elaborate styles, and developing a sense of style; not to mention just plain rest and relaxation. The fashions were more feminine & generally-speaking more graceful & modest. Many female celebrities of the time had talent, grace & poise (Cher, Joni Mitchell, Anne Bancroft, Diana Rigg, Elizabeth Taylor, Liv Ullmann, Catherine DeNeuve, even Twiggy!). They were much more likeable than Brittany Spears or Madonna or Lindsay Lohan.

    181. Tim McGreen Says:

      You are correct again, Mary O. I think it’s a good thing to have a White woman like you bring another perspective to these conversations. I’m no fashionista, but now that you mention it, the way that women dress today is pretty dull compared to a few decades back……….. Dark, Hillary Clinton-style pant suits, their hair hastily tied back in a sloppy ponytail, frumpy mom-jeans and sweatshirts.

      In the old days, women took their time so they could always look good and they wore feminine clothes that had lots of frills, ribbons and lace. They sprayed their hair into big, sweeping works of art and wore Cleopatra eye-makeup with six inch long false eyelashes. Even the Black women looked better back then! Remember Pam Grier? So I guess you’re right, these days there’s no time or incentive for most people to look or even act decently anymore. WTF happened?

    182. Kuda Bux Says:

      “. . .WTF happened?. . .”

      The money supply (MZM) went from 284B to 9512B over 50 years.

      This is 7.3% per year, and is the true rate of inflation (adulteration).

    183. Howdy Doody Says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNG7-2Ausis&feature=related

      Read that women as they grow older need the hormone’s from having intercourse, and if they don’t get it look out.

      In my county the women who work at the court that I have seen with husbands are almost to a man Chubby to fat, and the men obey, hard to imagine such relationships.

      I have to ban myself from this thread.

    184. Vaultner Says:

      McWeenie,

      “Even the Black women looked better back then! Remember Pam Grier?”

      Yea WTF? Pam Grier? A little soft on the niggresses eh boy?

    185. Tim McGreen Says:

      Vaultner Says:

      27 September, 2009 at 3:12 pm

      McWeenie,

      “Even the Black women looked better back then! Remember Pam Grier?”

      Yea WTF? Pam Grier? A little soft on the niggresses eh boy?

      McWeenie? Nigresses? OK, whatever……………

      Pam Grier is obviously part White like Vanessa Williams. That’s where their physical attractiveness comes from, you dig? However, I would never want anything to do with a mullatta or a quadroonette or even an octoroonette. They’re racially polluted and I wouldn’t risk getting any of their mixed-up DNA smeared all over my peener. That stuff doesn’t come off!

    186. Tim McGreen Says:

      Roman Polanski just got arrested for that 1977 statutory rape of a 13 year-old shiksa. How could Sharon Tate have fallen in love with that pervy Jew, especially when Steve McQueen was after her? More proof that beautiful White women have no sense.

    187. Ogriad Says:

      I am a white pig . a smart white pig . who when the time is right . will feast on the death of this hell we have created for ourselves

    188. -jc Says:

      # Stronza Says:
      25 September, 2009 at 10:01 pm

      No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women. How many of you here who are contemptuous of women are actually married, with children?

      Thank you, “Stronza.”

      Not long ago, I spoke for the first time, in a very long time, with a woman I thought to marry 40 years ago but who repeatedly couldn’t help herself being unfaithful. Her father was an overachiever who was never home. She boasted that it wook her ten-plus years to achieve her doctorate but never had to work because of her husband’s investments. Her two sisters turned out worse, raunching after man after man, transparently because their father wasn’t there, which one described as being “hung up trying to keep ‘male energy’ in their lives.” The woman was visiting at her father’s home, finally spending time with him, after her mother had died.

      There are simply three aspects– facets– to what one makes of herself: Heredity (nature), environment (nurture), and decisions. Who knows the percentage of the influence each exerts but I’m convinced that heredity plays a very large role and that decisions are the smallest part. Nurture may be maximized by good role models and that most certainly does not include television, Hollywood movies, and left-liberal government (public) school “educators.”

      As to the inability of men and women spending adequate time with their offspring, if you’ll think about it, it is more of a function of the fraudulent, essentially Jewish central banking and finance “system.” If one can’t store-up his labor against the future without its destruction by planned inflation as taxation that secures the Jew’s/banker’s position with politicians and permanent government bureaucrats, then both must slave to the detriment of their offspring.

      Arriving home to rested, bathed children and wife, with a fire laid behind the hearth ready for his match, perhaps a little Jim Beam handed to him, as we waits for dinner to be served, would not have been uncommon in the America of the 50’s. That is gone and all the giant houses, second homes, motor and recreational vehicles, and other toys, that I hear some say women lust after, has only been made possible by the miracle of paying three or four times the asking price in usurious interest, with after-tax income, requiring two wage earners just to make the interest payments on stuff that will be worn-out before it is “owned” or “repossessed.”

      Lay the ax to the root of the problem, “gentlemen,” and quit squabbling with one another because that is the wrong tree They’ve got you barking-up. Read Billions for the Bankers Debts for the People, by Sheldon Emry and you’ll understand that you must lay the ax to the root of the correct tree. It is not all that difficult: What is practically all you hear about in the news, due to the powers that be being convinced they are losing their grip on all this?

    189. -jc Says:

      Kevin MacDonald explains evolutionary psychology

      http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1055182#post1055182

    190. -jc Says:

      Full text of Billions for the Bankers Debts for the People, by Sheldon Emry, here: http://www.justiceplus.org/bankers.htm

      1st cartoon: (Divorce Court) “… and Judge, we were always in debt.”

    191. Tim McGreen Says:

      “No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women. How many of you here who are contemptuous of women are actually married, with children?”

      ******************************************************

      Horsehit. Women will marry ANY guy if the money is right or if there is some other personal advantage in doing it. BTW, a lot of homos get married to mask their true homo identity, so just because a guy is married doesn’t mean he’s normal.

      We can’t have any naive people in this Struggle. You have to know all about human nature, sexuality and psychology if you’re going to defeat the Jew and his Goy mercenaries.

    192. Vaultner Says:

      McWeenie said:

      “Pam Grier is obviously part White like Vanessa Williams. That’s where their physical attractiveness comes from, you dig?”

      No I don’t dig. Any man who finds a woman attractive is usually willing to participate in sex with her.

      I can see you out at a bar with some friends “Dude look she’s gorgeous but I’d never do her.” Come on now who you trying to kid? Vanessa Williams WTF, all flipper footed & fake nosed, brown like shit. God made shit the same color for a reason. When you were little did anyone tell you not to eat the yellow snow? Well you don’t eat the brown or tan either pal.

    193. -jc Says:

      Regarding:

      “No woman with at least minimal brain function is going to marry a man who hates women… ”

      Someone just wrote:

      “Horsehit (sic). Women will marry ANY guy if the money is right or if there is some other personal advantage in doing it. BTW, a lot of homos get married to mask their true homo identity, so just because a guy is married doesn’t mean he’s normal.

      We can’t have any naive people in this Struggle. You have to know all about human nature, sexuality and psychology if you’re going to defeat the Jew and his Goy mercenaries.”

      The operative words are, of course, minimal brain function and I’m sure the writer meant cognitive function. That excludes a great many women, these days, when when America is looking more and more like the Jerry Springer show. However, these are not the sort of people that are going to be part of the solutions to WN problems, both public and private. And bitter experience does not teach much useful about human nature.

    194. keebler Says:

      You’re correct Linder. Example: I saw a list of the greatest artists (painters) in the last 500 years. Almost every artists on the list was a man.

    195. -jc Says:

      Hopefully “Mary O” will join http://www.vnnforum.com and we’ll hear more from her.

    196. Tim McGreen Says:

      Vaultner, you would be proud of me. For some reason, more than a few Black females have “come on” to me, possibly because I’m so sweet and sensitive, unlike their rude, crude Black boyfriends. But even before I became racially conscious, I knew deep down that it just wasn’t right to go down that road. I NEVER did and I’m very, very glad I was sensible enough to know better. No regrets in that department, but plenty of regrets elsewhere, like not spelling the word “horseht” properly. There, I screwed it up again.

    197. Howdy Doody Says:

      Madonna

    198. Stronza Says:

      “We can’t have any naive people in this Struggle. You have to know all about human nature, sexuality and psychology if you’re going to defeat the Jew and his Goy mercenaries.”

      The very first thing one should know about human nature, sexuality and psychology is that men and women are attracted to each other because of their intrinsic differences. If we weren’t different from you, you wouldn’t like us.

      Remember Prof. Henry Higgins singing, Why Can’t A Woman Be More Like a Man? He was full of schitt and he knew it.

      I found this somewhere: “We [women] possess the ability to find anything, anywhere in the house. Admit it. You ask us where your keys, papers and shoes are, and dammit all, we always know.” That’s the way it is in my house, and I live with 3 men.

      And that’s just for starters!

      C’mon, we’re supposed to be on the same side here. ):

    199. Vaultner Says:

      Yea they know where everything is because they’re the ones that moved them there.

    200. Blackshirt Says:

      C’mon, one more post and we’ll have made it 200! :-D

    201. 2050 Says:

      This was a fun thread, I enjoyed most of it.

      Yeah, that old perv jew Roman Polanski must have figured he had no worries left. Just the fact that such a slimeball jew is in the background of a notorious murder is strange. or to be expected. Nutty hippy cult kills ST. RP probably hired them.

    202. Tim McGreen Says:

      There are still a lot of rumors surrounding those August ’69 killings in SoCal. How convenient that Polanski just happened to be out of town when his wife was murdered. He was at the Playboy Club in London shagging some stewardesses or Bunnies or both when he got the news….But that still wouldn’t explain why the LaBiancas were killed the next evening by the same crew (minus Sadie Mae Glutz). They didn’t even know the Polanskis.

    203. grant Says:

      PS_20081217

      though I do not know the aspects surrounding Peter Shank but on VOR he spoke about woman…

    204. Sean Gruber Says:

      jc said

      “And bitter experience does not teach much useful about human nature.”

      If experience doesn’t teach us about nature, what does? Your sermons?

    205. Go get an education Says:

      All of you racist and sexist idiots need to get over yourselves.

      Isn’t it funny that you all claim women cannot entertain original thought, yet you simply repeat each other and yourselves over and over again?

      If you were so creative, so imaginative, so original, wouldn’t you be thinking something OTHER than what men thought thousands of years ago?

      If women are so dimwitted, why are you even complaining? Surely, strong, intelligent men could deal with this issue in manly silence? Surely, it would be the easiest of tasks to keep these absolutely stupid women in the kitchen.

      What I simply don’t understand is that, you can look at a woman and not believe that that woman has her own hopes for the future. Honestly, who are you to demand she does not try to fulfill those hopes?

    206. -JC Says:

      Carpenter is correct and that was the point of not only permitting but encouraging so called woman’s suffrage. It was the point of the 18-year-old vote– that “if you’re old enough to be drafted and die for your country then you’re old enough to vote.”

      Vietnam vets will recall how amenable young men, primarily looking at the pictures, were to the left-liberal Playboy Philosophy that was slipped-in to their “reading matter.” Young, inexperienced men are quite receptive to such material couched in that sort of venue. Consider the sort of trash that publishes print and online porn and the effect it has on relations between the sexes that ought to lead to mentally and spiritually healthy offspring generally.

      Its been said that if you’re not a liberal in your youth then you have no heart and, if you’re not conservative when you grow-up then you have no mind, or something to that effect. I don’t buy that and attribute it primarily to many of the conditions of the post-modern world or at least America.

      My wife recently told me of a discussion on a relatively right-wing talk radio discussion with many more than usual call-ins, and the host asked if listeners were watching as much television. The consensus was that, no, they not only had stopped watching television but that they were onto that it was targeting the lowest common denominator and those who were home, maybe on some kind of public assistance or at least didn’t get out and spend their time productively, and minority youth and women.

      Visiting yesterday with a retired special forces friend who always has FAUX NEWS turned-on in the background, I noticed that FOX is apparently after Obama and was using his response to the ongoing oil spill to make themselves look like the polar opposite of the Marxist communists currently riding high. Now I’m wondering what they have planned besides higher prices for all fuel, etc. Not being a TV viewer at all and being fascinated by FOX, I suppose they are rather like cow punchers on a drive trying to turn those somewhat dissatisfied with the speed at which the nation is being taken-down before a stampede ensures.

      Based on what I’ve seen from the local Tea Party, deracinated as it is, tolerating, being careful not to offend, being entertained and led from the stage at the largest gatherings, and apparently wanting to appeal to mulattoes and mestizos, they aren’t strong enough to cause much change. And I noticed how they were being represented by FOX as multicultural. An attrractive female mestizo talking head was used to criticize the Mexican government’s response to the shooting of the 15-year-old rock thrower shot by a Border Patrolman this last week, etc., transparently for her influence on White men; my pal pointed that out to me.

      The Jew is jealous of the best in Whites and mocks “The meat it feeds on.” -Shakespeare (Othello, Act 3, Scene 3)

    207. David Baker Says:

      Get an education,

      I’ve heard quite a few unflattering comments from women about men, too. So, do you leap to the male’s defense as a crusader against “Sexism”? Women are so easily manipulated by the media, it seems all someone in that realm requires is a script that compliments women, then a pitch for whatever they want from women. (In the case of liberals, it’s their votes). Original thoughts may not be solely the domain of males, but women think differently than men, and they are natural nurturers and supporters. Where we may differ in opinion is on the amount of hypocrisy inherent in the women’s movement. They insist on “Equality”, but if they’re not up to par with established standards of physical and mental qualifications for any job, those standards are ‘adjusted’ to accommodate females, not only in the context of qualification, but PREFERENCE. I’ll tell you what, let’s say all state and federal laws requiring the employment and promotion of women were eliminated. No company would be penalized if they refused employment to women, OR men. All set-asides for government agencies to contract with companies headed by females would be rescinded. No “Family Leave” for pregnant women would be required. No Child Care services would be required. Those conditions would leave firms with the choice of hiring who they want. (Except illegal aliens, of course. Another liberal voting block..) Do you believe that would be equitable? Do you think such changes would “Level the Playing Field”?

      Of course, women would scream to the high heavens if A-N-Y of these conditions were eliminated. They so tenaciously hang on to the court’s/government’s liberal organizations, they actually think these services are a RIGHT. I’ll say it again: Every liberal program in existence would end tomorrow if liberals were made to pay the full costs of those programs.

    208. Mary O Says:

      Affirmative Action doesn’t help White women that much, unless they take some job that is mostly held by men; but in those cases, there is usually a reason why women don’t generally want the job.

      Also, when a women wins a promotion based on her hard work and merit, someone will always say that she only got it because she is a woman.

      Most White women would prefer to have a lesser job than to be promoted unfairly over better-qualified men. The women who would succeed under a merit-based system would have greater respect.

      One thing I hate though is this new push to get young girls (12-15) into sports.

      A normal interest in exercise for health, fitness and fun is fine, but this pressure for girls to seriously compete in team sports is an unnatural social construct.

      On the radio, this Sunday, June 20, they were interviewing a local (Westchester County NY) girls coach named Bob Something.

      The vulgarity of his speech was despicable. He assured that the interviewer that he knew just how to reassure the girl who is upset that she had “played out of her ass” that day. Bob claims that he is friends with all of the girls’ parents, too. Do Westchester parents actually allow men to talk to their young daughters with language straight from a gutter? My father would have punched him out cold, if he ever dared to use such an expression in front of us girls.

      The interviewer praised Bob that he had never seen any girl react negatively to his criticism. He made the mistake of asking one of the girls how he managed to avoid hurting any of her teammates’ feelings. “Ohhh, it’s because he’s … Bob” she managed to pant out in a breathy Marilyn Monroe voice.

      So these young women are soon approaching the natural age for starting a family. What does our society give them as preparation? Orders to jump through hoops (like girls soccer & lacrosse) all for the privilege of being allowed to be part of Bob’s platonic (we hope) harem: a tenth-rate imitation of the commitments and family that they really want and need.

      Then we had to listen to Bob explain how his girls “dominate” and how great those “dominating” skills will help them in future job interviews.

      He is basically trying to convert them into guys.

      The Chinese are criticized for killing girl babies, but forcing young women to be something that they are not is almost just as bad.

      Also, I have heard fathers of teen girls brag of their daughter’s team sport performance just as if they were talking about a son. “My girl is captain of the team. She dominates …”

      This concept of girls needing to dominate other girls promotes lesbianism.

      Meanwhile the local newspapers waste ink on these girls. They look terribly unfeminine snarling with teeth protectors & holding bats high.

      Feminist women are blamed for this girls sports phenomenon, but the biggest backers are men.

    209. David Baker Says:

      Mary O., I don’t watch, back, promote or otherwise care about women’s sports. I DO donate to the Girl Scouts, because that organization is dedicated to helping young girls learn valuable teamwork and goal attaining skills. I DO donate to family feeding organizations (and I wish more people did) because they are very short on supplies, and people who need such services are growing in number. Perhaps you could respond to my query. What if every state, federal and local program to force employers to hire and promote women were eliminated? What if lawyers couldn’t sue deep pocket companies for discrimination against females; sexual or otherwise? These are programs that have institutionalized discrimination against men. Why do men have to wait to be hired just because women are applying for the same job, but must be hired due to Affirmative Action? These laws have done little more than create a fertile environment for liberals to form voting blocks, and Jewish lawyers to clean up with litigation against companies who don’t comply with their labryinth of rules and workplace etiquette. I guarantee if all of those rules were thrown out, and companies had their druthers on hiring, they would hire males for most types of work.

    210. Mary O Says:

      Back in the 1960s, a Playboy mentality took over the society. This magazine presented women as just seeing men as “free meal tickets,” and debased the value of all the work that women were doing at the time: raising and caring for children, the sick, and elderly relatives, taking care of the home, and other social and family-related activities.

      Young men don’t want to support a wife, and they don’t really want children that much. This fact was always true; therefore, older societies (like Ancient Rome) rewarded them for marriage and fatherhood with higher status & privilege. Today there are no real incentives for making commitments, because our society hates women. Result: no children.

      In other cultures, young men want to be head of a family, and they want many children. They don’t seem to have this resentment of having to support a woman at all. People deride Islam as being hateful toward women, but our society forces women to give up their infants to daycare while they pursue jobs which are usually mind-numbingly boring.

      If a woman cannot raise her own child, what really is the point of having a child? Here, in Westchester Co., you can see the sweetest little White children being in the care of gruff immigrant women (usually Jamaican), with whom the mothers themselves would not even bother to share a cup of tea.

      OTOH Most mothers would rather just stay home and raise their own children, but if a woman does stay home for a long period of time, she loses all her “experience” on the resume. On return to the workplace, she would be starting from scratch.

      Plus, these marriages with the wife who stays home are not necessarily the most stable. By putting her own earning power in jeopardy, she is risking her children’s welfare; since she may become their sole support. Despite all the talk about how men pay, women are more likely financially devastated by the divorce.

      A woman’s income these days serves as a “pay-as-you-go” dowry, which is worse sexism than the “your family pays once” dowry of olden times.

      Also, a man’s family often discourages his marriage and starting his own family, because they want him to maximize his formal education. This way the son acts as greater tribute to themselves: “my son, who has 2 phds, which I would have had too , if only … ”

      Vicious circle: society hates women, forces young women to act as guys (combat, career, lacrosse), denies them the opportunity for motherhood during the prime years (roughly 19 – 27), refuses to support them in motherhood, therefore not enough children are born, and therefore the White race is losing out demographically, and therefore politically, and therefore (in the long term) financially. Then, White men have more trouble getting jobs, which makes them less inclined towards starting a family, which forces women to act as guys …

      How do you stop a vicious circle? You just have to stop feeding it. You don’t have a good job? You can’t afford children? Have them anyway. Make commitments anyway. Might take 15 years, but the White race would recover in numbers, and push the foreigners out. The immigrants won’t come here, if we have already committed every penny to supporting our own people.

      And, even without EEO, some women would be more inclined by nature to pursue a career. Read somewhere that in the Victorian era, 25% of women neither married nor had children. Authors Willa Cather, Tolstoi & Henry James describe individual men and women who simply decide to remain single. Also, if you read peerage books, you see the same pattern: people would have a very large family of more than six children, but several of the children would never even marry. Therefore, society should esp. support those women who are so inclined to be mothers.

    211. Jim Says:

      An excellent comment, Mary O. I agree with almost everything you said. However, our society, based on jewish values, does not HATE women. It hates WHITE women AND WHITE men. Through jewish feminism, the jews have driven a wedge between our two sexes, and have tried to implement a society whereby White men are feminized and White women are masculinized, thereby vastly reducing the White birth rate. Through their control of the media, the jews always promote miscegenation with the negro, by portraying strong, intelligent negroes with White women. White women, as well as White men have got to wake up and kick out the jews, before the jews have genocided us out of existance.

    212. Mary O Says:

      Jim, I totally agree. Everything I said relates to White women, and the harm being done to the White race. Our society hates White men as well, not just White women.

    213. -JC Says:

      This has been a good discussion; I don’t usually subscribe but think this an important topic. I especially like Mary after hearing her last couple of posts. For those of you with the time and attention span, here’s a post from a remarkable woman:

      Full text of “Seven Financial Conspiracies Which Have Enslaved the the American People” by Mrs. Sarah E.V. Emery Cached

      http://www.bargainmatch.com/mixsearch/?keyword=cache:mkvzconuysqj:www.archive.org/stream/sevenfinancialconspiracieswhichhaveenslavedtheamericanpeople/microsoftword-document1_djvu.txt%20%22seven%20financial%20conspiracies%20which%20have%20enslaved%20the%20american%20people%22&affid=46689&sid=43265d29cd7007d9390ab16c05962a0d&cid=BPO

    214. -JC Says:

      ESorry: Eliminate that first portion of the link address as I’ve apparently got some kind of Trojan problem. Start with http://www.archive.org

    215. -JC Says:

      Women’s sports and the emaciated look associated with fashion models and soccer playing, etc., not to mention poor food choices and families not sitting-down to meals together, contributes to low body fat in young women who naturally already have ‘girlish figures’ and that contributes to infertility. Accident?