9 October, 2009

Alex Linder on Kinism and WN

Posted by Socrates in Christianity, Christians, Kinism, religion, Socrates, white nationalism, White Nationalists at 1:55 pm | Permanent Link

Alex comments on religious vs. non-religious racialism:

[VNN Forum].


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  7. 42 Responses to “Alex Linder on Kinism and WN”

    1. UNIT ALPHA Says:

      NATIONAL SOCIALISM after running GERMANY and later EUROPE reinforced christianity as on it’s self the church couldn’t act. as for that the church won’t act in todays world and won’t do it nowhere else in the future. it degenerates year by year slowly and gets the death nail hit in it’s coffin by jewish mass media meanwhile all other religions will await the same fate. NS ideology can take the world problems on- because it has fighting spirit in comparison to todays church who is practicing yoga pacifism. reinforcing church ideology is a must to connect and communicating the old values of this country but it has to be done aggressive. in GERMANYS 1933 year there were only 1 fighting powers. the communist group who waived and didn’t act. the government-it didn’t act either as it was split and weak. the NS group was the only group who was aggressive and continued to be until she got destroyed. no other movement from the past is known for it’s will & drive in what it believed in until it was killed. no church has produced this wholesome idea of defending and fighting-mussolinis people made compromises and quit. NS for that will stay alive as a tool against world jewry/world government as no other ideology fought until it was overkilled. in honest heroic fighting is the essence of revival and the future of the german nationalist. the world will follow their example.

    2. Jim Says:

      The WN Movement desperately needs a religion that will supercede christianity. The best ones I have seen so far are Ben Klassen’s “Creativity” and Dr. Pierce’s ‘ Cosmotheism”. The main problem that I have with these philosophys is that they have no place for the paranormal or any concept of life after death. Reincarnation would be compatable with WN. The concept being that to be incarnated as a member of the White Race is the mark of an old and advanced soul. The Vedic religion was introduced in India by Aryan invaders centuries ago. It was very much a racial religion, adopting the caste system to attempt to preserve racial purity. Unfortunately, it failed much as our attempts in segregation also failed. Only complete separation of the White Race from inferior races will work.

    3. Tim McGreen Says:

      Excellent work, Herr Linder………….You rank right up there with Thomas Paine, Dr. Nietszche and Dr. Bertrand Russell in your Christian myth-busting skills. I suspect that the majority of Christians don’t really believe all that jive about pregnant Jewish virgins and talking clouds and dead saints coming out of the ground like an invasion of bloodsucking zombies. It’s fear of eternal punishment from an all-loving and all-forgiving god that keeps them in line, the poor neurotic bastards. Jeebus is always lurking around watching them in hopes of catching them doing something bad so he can throw their asses in Hell where the racists, Hindus and little unbaptized babies are.

    4. Antagonistes Says:

      The National Association of Evangelicals (who are usually the “family values” crowd) has send word to Congress that Jesus has instructed them that the illegal aliens are also his children, and are to be made citizens of America:

      http://wvwnews.net/story.php?id=7964

      Simple as that.

    5. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      Jim brings up an important point, I think.

      People want to live forever; nobody wants to die, even White people.

      Whether there is, in fact, life after death (as I believe) does not enter the equation–people want the comfort of knowing that their family members are not reduced to dust and ashes, that the “real” person has survived, and that they will meet again.

      (Closely related to this is the sexual drive and the proper way to contain it–but that is another topic which will, perhaps be touched upon later.)

      The Asatru religions, and the Druidic religions did indeed have a notion of reincarnation, which I consider superior to the Vedantic understanding. In the Vedantic understanding, it was very hard (almost impossible) to be reincarnated as a human. In the European understanding, families stayed together by being reincarnated together. But– and this is an important point– THIS life, ON EARTH, was the main thing, and the way that it was lived was paramount.

      Those who assert that we are obliterated at death say, to me, that we are walking dust and ashes, and ignore the unseen realities to our existence. These unseen realities are what make us more than just mammals.

      I believe that Christianity, with its notion of eternal hell, in which souls are tortured forever, soured many on the notion of life after death.

      Jonathan Edwards (“Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”) believed that there were “infants, no more than a span long, crawling about the floors of Hell.” Because they had “not accepted” Christ, or been baptized.

      To believe in justice is right and good, but to believe in insane retribution (for all eternity!) is nonsense, especially for infants!

      Reincarnation has justice built into it. But this justice is not dispensed by some middle-eastern despot Jehovah on a throne, surrounded by seraphim. No, we are not punished for our deeds, we are punished (or rewarded) BY our deeds.

      If not in this life, then the next.

    6. Dagon Says:

      Sri Sreggin Das,
      By the Vedantic understanding of reincarnation you are referring to the (mainly) Hindhu conception of the idea. Religious scholars often talk about “inter-species transmigration” – that is what you are describing, wherein a animal or person may be reborn even as another species given their actions in a prior life. In Theravada Buddhism reincarnation occurs only within one’s own species though the idea of karmactic law is left intact.

      It is very interesting reading about Asatru’s belief in transmigration and about whole families being reborn into the same family. Whatever the truth of whatever metaphysical realm may be out there though, one thing I have noticed about Norse religion in particular and pre-Christian European religion in general, is the comparitively strong focus on how one conducts themselves in THIS LIFE versus the Abrahamic obsession with some kind of 11th hour divine delivery SIMPLY because one professes a given creed. I have more sympathy with the this-world behavior-oriented view of the old European and Aryan religions than the Abrahamic (and heavily Judaic “by faith you are saved” non-sense which would have the individual give up their agency for the living of their own ethical life to the dictates of a neurotic God.

    7. New America Says:

      In light of the unique mission of VNN, it is only obvious to begin framing this issue in light of the Jews, and their Racial Religion, Judaism.

      Remember, Judaism has only ONE Commandment: “Is it good for Jews?”

      Pretty simple.

      Contrast that with what INSTITUTIONAL Christianity has become, and you can see that, temporally, we are starting off with about the same chances Helen Keller would have against Mike Tyson.

      Yet, there is SOMETHING about Christianity that simply terrifies the Jews – and, in that, no higher praise can be imagined.

      The Jews have made their peace with all other religions – even, and perhaps especially, Islam.

      They never object to the Islamic muzzeins – the callers to prayer – in the cities where they live, in part because Islam is, like Judaism, anti-Christian, and in part, because the Muslims take personal offense, and will deal out personal retribution, personally.

      Christianity has lost its inherently Masculine Foundation, and has become, in many ways, a Judeo-Christian parody of itself, worrying more about “racism” – VAtican II – than the transcendent issues that provided support and solace to Martel, among others.

      The pagan alternatives all failed their tribes, as well. In their defense, it seems they offered much needed Masculine energy to help transform Christianity from what could have been another desert-based Semitic cult, into the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

      “THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life.”

      That’s “the,” as in “only.”

      I have referred one and all to the Christian Separatist website, which has a wonderful pamphlet describing how the archaeological an philological discoveries of German scholars were remaking German Christianity – Masculine Lutheranism, if you will – into something that could take the best of the West, and meld it with the Masculine Force of Northern Europe.

      I will deal with the comments of Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga, directly – they are useful, indeed, in placing all of these discussion in a contest of Feminine Judaism versus Masculine Christianity.

      Again, I will remind one and all of the very astute Insight of Briseis on a VNN Free Talk Live lo these many months ago, where she spoke of the lack of Masculine Competence of so many of our young men.

      The Feminine Churches they went to, and the Judeo-Christian doctrines they were told were religious – spiritual – truths, went a longer way to gelding them, and the Culture in which tye were raised, than many realize.

      “It is not by accident” that the gelding of Christianity occured with the gelding of our young men; Peter Shank’s most asture observation about the destruction of our Warrior Caste will be addressed in the framework of the response to the remarks of Sri Sreggin Das.

      Finally, as always, let me remind you that much of the heavy lifting has been done by Harold Covington, who in effect tells us, in “A Distant Thunder,” that, in a Northwest Republic – a White RACIAL Homeland – that all religions are tolerated – Christianity, Creativity, Asataru, whatever – are tolerated as long as none of them goes against the Prime Directive for the Northwest Republic, and that is this:

      The primary organizing principle of the Northwest Republic is to frame every decision, no matter how small it may seem, in the context of the One Purpose: Defend The RACE.

      That is the same principle that has worked so well for the Jewish Race – the Jewish Nation – for centuries.

      It worked for them, and it will work much better for us.

      Why?

      Because WE ARE BETTER.

      My new sig:

      We have always set our sights too low.

      Harold Covington offers us an entire Nation, a White Homeland, as
      well as a Republic, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

      That’s good enough for me, today, and my Posterity, in time.

      In the meantime, why not take heed of the words of…

      Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous, unsuccessful barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

      “I dare you to do better.”

      What’s stopping you?

    8. Adam Says:

      Throughout history and throughout the world, God or gods have proved their fitness to rule by killing the gods which preceded them. In the Old Testament, the tribal God of the Jews demonstrates his superiority over his competitors by dispatching the various Baals and gods of the tribes that the Hebrews meet in battle. Similarly, to show the superiority of Christ, the Christians cut down the sacred trees of the Druids and the Norsemen; they smashed the idols of the Aztec and the Inca, and violated and looted the temples of the ancient gods of Greece and Rome.

      At the beginning of the 20th century, the heretofore invincible Christian God squared off in battle with science, a vigorous young challenger made flesh in the form of the technological system. After several viciously fought rounds, this battle, refereed by Nietzsche, resulted in his famous pronouncement “God is dead”, and the technological system thus became the new God of the people. The reign of this God is unlike that of his predecessor, for his rewards are all of this world. His Church is the all-powerful Judaeo-fascist State, and today Obama is his prophet. The Church’s doctrine, accepted by all true believers, is multi-culturalism, diversity, and the divine, eternal innocence of the Jews. The role of Satan is filled by the white man, who is thought to lurk behind every evil that still plagues mankind. The pulpit of this God is the television, accorded an honored place at the center of every home, just as the Romans used to accord a place of honor to the sacred spirits of the hearth. The priesthood of his Church are the technocrats, who inform the actions of the prophet Obama, and who are themselves above the law, and speak among themselves in a language only they can understand, intelligible only to initiates. Heaven – where all true believers work to bring about and hope one day to arrive – is the transhuman future, when all races merge into one brown mass of burping, farting, randomly copulating humanity, and sail off in a starship, to Walk Among the Stars.

    9. old dutch Says:

      For the Pope of Kirksville: To paraphrase a popular saying from the Reformation—every man his own Pope. LOL. ;o)

    10. Blackshirt Says:

      It is so refreshing to have Linder come out and lay into the Christian crowd. He lays out some excellent arguments touching on many of the ways Christianity is detrimental to the survival of the White Race. Really excellent work and I can just imagine all the CI and Jewsus fans who read this forum who are probably red-in-the-face angry over such an intellectual smackdown.

    11. New America Says:

      And, to complete the saying, “Every man his own king.”

      That ties us back into the topic.

      Under Christianity – Mature Christianity, Masculine Christianity, what Christianity should becoming at the Institutional level, most “men” have now become sheep, and gelded sheep, at that.

      Think of the common unifying theme of the organizational inversions known as “Interfaith Meetings.” In these meetings, leaders of various congregations, each of whom swears all of the other members at the table with them are either fools, evil, or some combination of both, and are going to Hell.

      They sit back, knock down some fine cuisine, and discuss…

      Business.

      You see, they are all in the same business – like McDonald’s and Wendy’s for example – and that business is controlling the masses on behalf of the King, and the man who claims to be the spiritual King of This World.

      They meet to discuss mutual business concerns, and to discuss, softly, and with cloaked words, organizational control system – how to keep the Sheep in line.

      The Free Lutherans of NSDAP Germany were fully aware of the nature and particular challenge of the Jews, and their Racial Philosophy disguised as a religion, Judaism.

      This is an element we would do well to consider; fortunately, the people at the Christian Separatist website have done most of the heavy lifting for us. AS well, their Anointed Standard Version of the Bible is well worthy of study.

      Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga correctly and astutely raised the issue of reincarnation. I would like to complement that with the twin of the doctrine of reincarnation, the doctrine of karma – and, with Christianity, Grace.

      At the First Council of Nicea, the Church leadership, good temporal politicians all, voted 3 to 2 to deny the doctrine of reincarnation. Why? Obviously, if you believe the Erth is a means to an end, a much greater, transcendental end, then the ability of the King to take your life – much less control your life – becomes diminished, indeed.

      Thus, the people of Rome were angered to see the Christians refuse to run in fear at meeting the lions in the Colosseum. The Christians saw – and this is the particular relevance for White Nationalism – that The Game Was Rigged.

      Seeing “behind” the material, they gave their lives quietly, knowing that the jar of clay that contained their Minds only held part of their Soul, and even less of their Spirit.

      This, in part, is why Christianity is so hated by the Jews:

      What Jews say is All That Matters is really not all, at all.

      It is a means to an end, a much greater end, that the Spirit can only glimpse, and the Soul can not see, at all.

      The fundamental principle behind reincarnation – that the Earth is a schoolhouse, and the spirit becomes ensouled for the learning only offered in a three/four dimension Reality – just eough to allow the formation of the Persona, and help it to move forward and face the lessons the Spirit sees for the purpose of instruction, in matters that we can not comprehend.

      We CAN comprehend our Duty to a transcendental purpose, one much greater than our own lives.

      We can then fulfill that Duty, by seeing the Light in the Darkness, the Spirit from which Matter was formed, and turning obstacles into opportunities.

      Again, this is why Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model is so important for us – US, as a People, a Tribe, a Nation, and a Race.

      Covington offers us the opportunity to look at what is failing in our lives, in the society before us, and address creative resolution of the conflicts in the Light of how this situation would be perceived if one was in an all-White Racial Homeland, in a Northwest Republic.

      I can assure you, Christ will be there, as He is HERE, waiting for all of us to use the unique Gift of this schoolhouse, Free Will for Mankind, to talk to Him – quietly, along, when we are preparing to sleep, just talk to Him AS IF HE WAS THERE, just waiting to talk to you.

      You would be surprised at the number of Christians who do not see reincarnation in the Bible, whether it is the announcement to John the Baptist at the Last Supper – in the fulfillment of prophecy – or in the Resurrection, where the body of the man, Jesus, went into the tomb, and the new body of the Spirit, Christ, walked out.

      Remember, we – all of us – walked with God before He laid the foundation of the Heavens, and the Earth.

      Then, we walked Among The Stars, and we shall do do, again – IF we choose to do so.

      my new sig:

      We have always set our sights too low.

      Harold Covington offers us an entire Nation, a White Homeland, as
      well as a Republic, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

      That’s good enough for me, today, and my Posterity, in time.

      In the meantime, why not take heed of the words of…

      Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous,
      unsuccessful barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

      “I dare you to do better.”

      What’s stopping you?

    12. Lone Star Says:

      Even Satan portrays himself as an angel of light, “Herr Linder.” The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.

      If that was some kind of brilliant comeback by yours truly, then I can see that so called white nationalism is actually designed to do harm to the white race, or at the very least, make whites look like arrogant, cowardly buffoons.

      If “Herr Linder” was sincere, he would welcome all race conscious people, respect their beliefs, try to find common ground and build a consensus. But he rather divide, find fault and name call. What a joke. How very kosher.

      I guess “Herr Linder” is jealous that Christianity gets more respect today, supposed faults and all, than Nazism and white nationalism. I’m really sick of all these kosher Nazis and “white nationalists” sanctimoniously pretending to do us a favor and enlighten us, while conspiring to stick the knife further in our back.

      The white race, as well as the world, will reclaim its destiny, not by listening to these kosher wolves in sheep’s clothing, but by ignoring them. Thank God!

    13. Arminius Says:

      Quote:
      “Race is infinitely deeper and more meaningful than religion, which is never anything but a transient mood, which blows over like weather the minute reality intrudes.”

      “transient mood”-well, very few people realize- certainly Christians never do- that their clergy, changes its public stance like a weather vane, but always referring themselves to Christ, faith and religion.
      The “eternal word of God” takes a different tack just as the attitude and perceptions of man changes, and it changes usually and mostly with the economic situation in a nation. Whoever is in charge, what kind of ideas captivate people, the priests of all denominations are on their side.
      The clergy backed the “ancien regime” as long it ruled, it went over without hesitation to the “French Revolution”, it adored Napoleon (both I. and III.) and dishonored him after his fall, it supported the restauration, King and Kaiser, democracy and republic, war and pacifism- whatever was in vogue at the time.
      The clergy kept the exploited workmen in their place, as long nobility and capitalists called the shots, but when socialism gained many followers and seemed to become a popular movement in the 19th century, they- from the most obscure reverend to the Pope (Leo XIII.)- discovered their social heart and founded Christian Socialism. Just as well they became fervent nationalists everywhere when this idea rose at the beginning of the 20th century.
      The same clergymen- that new generations take over doesn’t matter, they always act just the same: When Hitler and National-Socialism came to power, they enthusiastically told the nation: “Our Fuhrer was called by God” and 13 years later they condemned him as the “vilest evil of all time”.
      Thus it is indisputable, they interpret the Bible just the way it serves their benefit in any current situation. And because the Jew media hammered into the minds of our time, that racism is bad and to be despised, and Jew media rule the minds- they join in and declare it the “greatest of all SINs”. The religious- Christian- connection is not to be lost on the faithful (fools).
      If the white Aryans should one day, by some at present unforeseeable event, gain their freedom and independence, I bet my last cent, that the clergy will jump into our boat as a matter of course, telling us, that it was, “The Will of God and Jesus Christ, as fortold in the Holy Bible.”
      So, do we need to replace the Christian religion by a “better” one more fitting for our race? NO! NEVER!
      “The moral laws is in us”, KANT postulated. In any man of race.
      Religion is the relic of a bygone age.

    14. Tim McGreen Says:

      There is but one God (the Northwest Republic) and Covington is his last and greatest Prophet. However, please make all checks and money orders payable (in US funds only) to New America. Any donations of gently used bisexual or interacial adult viewing material would also be greatly appreciated.

    15. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      wtf’s wrong with an “Istina” brd/cst?

      after all: a broad-cast is worth a thousand posts, eh?!?

      we haven’t heard from him-self for a good while now!

      wtf’s “up”?

      a bad case of laryngitis ?!?

    16. CW-2 Says:

      Great stuff, lots of free debate. Anyone looking for ‘immortality’ need only do two things, find a partner of the same race of similar character and have many healthy children. The war currently raging outside our front doors is all about whose genes are going to triumph in the future. Globalist and jews are fully aware that genes determine character and all cultural potential.
      It seems that most Christians are willfully blind to the realities of biology, and persist in the crazy notion that any savage just out of the stone age can become a good ‘American’ or ‘European’ once a magic wand is waved over them.

    17. Blackshirt Says:

      “Lonestar”(McReen/O’brian, etc.) says:

      “Even Satan portrays himself as an angel of light, “Herr Linder.” The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.”

      So White Nationalism is a scam, huh? Very interesting.

      “If “Herr Linder” was sincere, he would welcome all race conscious people, respect their beliefs, try to find common ground and build a consensus. But he rather divide, find fault and name call. What a joke. How very kosher.”

      No, Linder recognizes Christinsanity for what it is, a anti-White, corrosive, mental disease that works against the best interests of the White Race. You cannot be a racist and a true Christian at the same time, because they are philosophies in opposition to each other as I have pointed out time and again. Linder doesn’t want “Christian” White Nationalists any more than he or others would want gay White Nationalists. He has taken a strong position on this and I support it.

      “I guess “Herr Linder” is jealous that Christianity gets more respect today, supposed faults and all, than Nazism and white nationalism. I’m really sick of all these kosher Nazis and “white nationalists” sanctimoniously pretending to do us a favor and enlighten us, while conspiring to stick the knife further in our back.”

      If you’re so sick of us being anti-Christian, why do you come back to this forum again and again with your CONservative, Christian BS? You’d do us all a favor if you’d disappear or perhaps go on over to Stormfront where you will be welcomed with open arms.

    18. Tim McGreen Says:

      Lonestar/Banjo Billy/Curt O’Lyin, etc….You complain that certain of us are “jealous” that Christianity is shown more respect than Nazisim, White nationalism, etc….But exactly who is showing all this much sought-after “repsect”? The Jew? The Negroes of the Civil Wrongs Movement? The bourgeois press? Do you crave their approbation that much? And if any movement is “suicidal”, sir, it’s Christ-insanity.

      Your religion makes all kinds of promises about how great things will be AFTER you die and AFTER the world is destroyed. Meanwhile, while we’re all waitin’ around to die, we’re supposed to drag our asses out of bed on Sunday mornings and go to church, worship Jews and their state of Israel and produce more souls to worship the Baby Jesus by copulating with Niggers and Orientals. That’s Christianity in a nutshell.

    19. Blackshirt Says:

      Arminius Says:

      “Thus it is indisputable, they interpret the Bible just the way it serves their benefit in any current situation. And because the Jew media hammered into the minds of our time, that racism is bad and to be despised, and Jew media rule the minds- they join in and declare it the “greatest of all SINs”. The religious- Christian- connection is not to be lost on the faithful (fools).”

      Yes, you are correct that the bible can be interpreted in a multitude of ways and I believe it was designed to be that way. The clergy are very fickle and if allowed to function within any societal framework, they will accept any regime that rules over them.

      “If the white Aryans should one day, by some at present unforeseeable event, gain their freedom and independence, I bet my last cent, that the clergy will jump into our boat as a matter of course, telling us, that it was, “The Will of God and Jesus Christ, as fortold in the Holy Bible.””

      Yep.

      “So, do we need to replace the Christian religion by a “better” one more fitting for our race? NO! NEVER!
      “The moral laws is in us”, KANT postulated. In any man of race.
      Religion is the relic of a bygone age.”

      This was what I was talking about on another thread. You don’t need religion to tell you what is right and wrong. This knowledge should be passed from parent to child as well as the child absorbing the racial ethics of his/her fellow White kinsmen. No need for a “bible” or priests to dispense this knowledge.

    20. Tim McGreen Says:

      The Bible is a teacher of morality? That’s a good one. In “Holy Scripture” Lot pimps out his daughters to an angry mob, a prophet sics a she-bear on two little boys who made fun of his bald head, a boy and his descendants get cursed after the boy sees his dad passed out drunk and naked, an Egyptian Pharoah wants to get rid of the Jews but the LORD keeps convincing him not to so that the LORD can smite Pharoah later on, first born male infants get slaughtered, a guy gets smited by the LORD for spilling his seed all over a girl, a self-described Son of God tells his followers to hate their parents and hate their own lives……………. Mind, this same Messiah has no job or girlfirend, is always getting in trouble with the law, is disrespectful to his mom and only hangs out with other men. He doesn’t even wear pants!

      If there was such a thing as the Devil and he was the author of lies and confusion, then I would say the Bible was written by him.

      Take that, you Hal Turncoat Christards! Where is your Leader now, fools?

    21. New America Says:

      Lonestar made some very important observations; rather than address them directly, I will address them in the context of Blackshirt’s critique:

      Blackshirt wrote:
      “Lonestar”(McReen/O’brian, etc.) says:

      “Even Satan portrays himself as an angel of light, “Herr Linder.” The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.”

      So White Nationalism is a scam, huh? Very interesting.

      in reply:
      Lonestar has given us a most useful observation, if we have the courage to look at it clearly, without fear, without favor.

      Let’s look at it again, closely:

      The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.”

      If we were in a serious organization, like, say, the business of politics, THAT statement would be assigned to all of the staff to write discussion notes at the next staff meeting, and have an all-out, no-holds-barred discussion of why the best Idea in history can not gain traction, politically, and, in the words of Alex Linder, “has the damndest people out there representing us.”

      Let’s parse it:
      The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism…

      Well, the track record of what National Socialism was in 1946 says all we need to say about that.

      Intelligent, National Socialist policies, as are the norm in Scandinavia, work beautifully, with that high quality of people. They will not work at all in an America that has succumbed to the mud flood.

      Even Rockwell was putting away the brownshirt/red swastika armband combination, adopting the Hart, Schafner and Marx three-piece and ties suits that worked so well for Barack Obama, many have shown their lack of maturity by adopting the Forms of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, without having developed their character to be worthy of them. The exception is Bill White.

      Why do weak men, losers, third-raters, “incompetent males” (to paraphrase Briseis), adopt the signals of such men, without the concomitant development of character within themselves?

      I think this goes back to a very astute observation of Peter Shank’s, that (loosely paraphrased) the best way to destroy the Race is to destroy the Warrior Caste.

      I can extend that Idea – “to destroy the Warrior Caste in the womb, if possible, and in the schools and the media, if not.”

      As Metzger so astutely noted:

      “Who do I blame for this?

      Not the Jews, and not the illegals, not any of them, for they are only doing what their Nature to do, and that is thrive in the presence of death, and the dying.

      No.

      I blame us, for letting it happen.”

      That last sentence marks Childhood’s End, for White Nationalism.

      It is THAT important, and no one paid attention to it.

      With the clarity of that observation, and the belief that power will accrue to us only when we accept the responsibility to bind ourselves to a purpose much greater than ourselves, Metzger separates the Adults from the Children.

      Let’s not blindly adopt the Forms of Yesteryear, of what is, in this Culture, “suicidal Nazism.”

      Let’s Do Better, and Create Forms that can hold the New Wine of what we should have to offer.

      While we can…

      Lonestar continued:

      ..and white nationalism.

      Well, he DOES have a point.

      To date, White Nationalism is about as popular as “suicidal Nazism.”

      Who do you think is responsible for that?

      Why do you think Nancy Pelosi criticized the active base from which a (White) Nationalist political could spring as “Nazis?”

      Why do you think the Jew-controlled System Press is trying to build an equivalence in the media of “White people” and “Nazis?”

      Why do we have to make it easy for them?

      Lonestar then hit a nerve, and no one has proven him wrong, when he said of “suicidal Nazism and White Nationalism”:

      These scams are getting obvious.

      in reply:
      Consider that all of the “benefits” of these beliefs accrue to a few, who are conspicuously without personal or organizational success, and the “scam” – strong word that – is that everyone pretends that activity is prodictivity.

      To what end do we do what we do?

      Do we allow people to pay “Dress Up” in the uniforms of NSDAP Germany, or the First Klan, and think we are accomplishing something?

      No – but some people get a pathetic thrill out of telling the world, “I do not like you, and I am a failure. So, rather than dealing with my incompetence, I am going to ‘act out,’ and be very in-your-face about it.”

      My.

      How very, very adolescent.

      And, remember, theirs is not the solution the Warrior Caste would adopt.

      As Linder said, “The best form of rebellion is excellence.”

      It’s certainly worth a try!

      Blackshirt replied:

      So White Nationalism is a scam, huh? Very interesting.

      in reply:
      Considering the net effectivness of White Nationalism IN PRACTICE, calling it a “scam” would almost be giving it more credit than it deserves.

      After all, if siomething is a “scam,” it implies duplicitous activity towards an end.

      From what I have seen, most of what calls itself “White nationalism” is more incompetent, than duplicitous.

      I think that’s why Harold Covington developed the correct formulation, “The Racially Conscious Community.”

      No scam, there!

      Simply the possible Living Foundation, of a New Nation.

      Blackshirt continued:
      Lonestar wrote:

      “If “Herr Linder” was sincere, he would welcome all race conscious people, respect their beliefs, try to find common ground and build a consensus. But he rather divide, find fault and name call. What a joke. How very kosher.”

      No, Linder recognizes Christinsanity for what it is, a anti-White, corrosive, mental disease that works against the best interests of the White Race. You cannot be a racist and a true Christian at the same time, because they are philosophies in opposition to each other as I have pointed out time and again. Linder doesn’t want “Christian” White Nationalists any more than he or others would want gay White Nationalists. He has taken a strong position on this and I support it.

      in reply:
      When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.

      Let me repeat that loudly, for the hearing impaired:

      When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.

      And, if Linder really does not want “Christian White Nationalists,” where on Earth will he find White Nationalists that are remotely effective in their communities?

      Aryanfests, or Hal Turner’s followers?

      Lonestar continued:

      “I guess “Herr Linder” is jealous that Christianity gets more respect today, supposed faults and all, than Nazism and white nationalism. I’m really sick of all these kosher Nazis and “white nationalists” sanctimoniously pretending to do us a favor and enlighten us, while conspiring to stick the knife further in our back.”

      Blackshirt replied:
      If you’re so sick of us being anti-Christian, why do you come back to this forum again and again with your CONservative, Christian BS? You’d do us all a favor if you’d disappear or perhaps go on over to Stormfront where you will be welcomed with open arms.

      in reply:
      No, if we can not accept constructive criticism, than we fail an elementary test of Adulthood.

      The question Lonestar address implicitly – “What are we trying to do here, and how do we measure success?” has been explicitly answered by Harold Covington.

      You see, at his peak, Pierce spoke of the need for a White Homeland – his was to be built from the ground up – good idea! – starting where we are – good idea! – building linkages, organizations, networks, and communities into White Archipelagoes – his version of “White Zion.”

      Good idea, but he never got around to defining this any further – I think he left that as an exercise of his students – and he never laid the groundwork for an organized political response – if not a political party – to carry this Idea forward.

      So, what is the largest framework in which we can place out activities?

      Glad you asked?

      Harold Covington, Northwest Republic, Northwest Quarter of books – all about why and how to build a White Homeland.

      “White Nationalism” is a nice, safe, distant, intellectual abstraction.

      A White Homeland – a Northwest Republic – removes all of our excuses for inaction, and intellectual lassitude.

      To paraphrase Franklin, “A Republic, if you want it, and are willing to work it!”

      my new sig:

      We have always set our sights too low.

      Harold Covington offers us an entire Nation, a White Homeland, as
      well as a Republic, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

      That’s good enough for me, today, and my Posterity, in time.

      In the meantime, why not take heed of the words of…

      Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous,
      unsuccessful barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

      “I dare you to do better.”

      What’s stopping you?

    22. New America Says:

      Lonestar made some very important observations; rather than address them directly, I will address them in the context of Blackshirt’s critique:

      Blackshirt wrote:
      “Lonestar”(McReen/O’brian, etc.) says:

      “Even Satan portrays himself as an angel of light, “Herr Linder.” The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.”

      So White Nationalism is a scam, huh? Very interesting.

      in reply:
      Lonestar has given us a most useful observation, if we have the courage to look at it clearly, without fear, without favor.

      Let’s look at it again, closely:

      The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism and white nationalism. These scams are getting obvious.”

      If we were in a serious organization, like, say, the business of politics, THAT statement would be assigned to all of the staff to write discussion notes at the next staff meeting, and have an all-out, no-holds-barred discussion of why the best Idea in history can not gain traction, politically, and, in the words of Alex Linder, “has the damndest people out there representing us.”

      Let’s parse it:
      The white race is going to do fine without suicidal Nazism…

      Well, the track record of what National Socialism was in 1946 says all we need to say about that.

      Intelligent, National Socialist policies, as are the norm in Scandinavia, work beautifully, with that high quality of people. They will not work at all in an America that has succumbed to the mud flood.

      Even Rockwell was putting away the brownshirt/red swastika armband combination, adopting the Hart, Schafner and Marx three-piece and ties suits that worked so well for Barack Obama, many have shown their lack of maturity by adopting the Forms of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, without having developed their character to be worthy of them. The exception is Bill White.

      Why do weak men, losers, third-raters, “incompetent males” (to paraphrase Briseis), adopt the signals of such men, without the concomitant development of character within themselves?

      I think this goes back to a very astute observation of Peter Shank’s, that (loosely paraphrased) the best way to destroy the Race is to destroy the Warrior Caste.

      I can extend that Idea – “to destroy the Warrior Caste in the womb, if possible, and in the schools and the media, if not.”

      As Metzger so astutely noted:

      “Who do I blame for this?

      Not the Jews, and not the illegals, not any of them, for they are only doing what their Nature to do, and that is thrive in the presence of death, and the dying.

      No.

      I blame us, for letting it happen.”

      That last sentence marks Childhood’s End, for White Nationalism.

      It is THAT important, and no one paid attention to it.

      With the clarity of that observation, and the belief that power will accrue to us only when we accept the responsibility to bind ourselves to a purpose much greater than ourselves, Metzger separates the Adults from the Children.

      Let’s not blindly adopt the Forms of Yesteryear, of what is, in this Culture, “suicidal Nazism.”

      Let’s Do Better, and Create Forms that can hold the New Wine of what we should have to offer.

      While we can…

      Lonestar continued:

      ..and white nationalism.

      Well, he DOES have a point.

      To date, White Nationalism is about as popular as “suicidal Nazism.”

      Who do you think is responsible for that?

      Why do you think Nancy Pelosi criticized the active base from which a (White) Nationalist political could spring as “Nazis?”

      Why do you think the Jew-controlled System Press is trying to build an equivalence in the media of “White people” and “Nazis?”

      Why do we have to make it easy for them?

      Lonestar then hit a nerve, and no one has proven him wrong, when he said of “suicidal Nazism and White Nationalism”:

      These scams are getting obvious.

      in reply:
      Consider that all of the “benefits” of these beliefs accrue to a few, who are conspicuously without personal or organizational success, and the “scam” – strong word that – is that everyone pretends that activity is prodictivity.

      To what end do we do what we do?

      Do we allow people to pay “Dress Up” in the uniforms of NSDAP Germany, or the First Klan, and think we are accomplishing something?

      No – but some people get a pathetic thrill out of telling the world, “I do not like you, and I am a failure. So, rather than dealing with my incompetence, I am going to ‘act out,’ and be very in-your-face about it.”

      My.

      How very, very adolescent.

      And, remember, theirs is not the solution the Warrior Caste would adopt.

      As Linder said, “The best form of rebellion is excellence.”

      It’s certainly worth a try!

      Blackshirt replied:

      So White Nationalism is a scam, huh? Very interesting.

      in reply:
      Considering the net effectiveness of White Nationalism IN PRACTICE, calling it a “scam” would almost be giving it more credit than it deserves.

      After all, if something is a “scam,” it implies duplicitous activity towards an end.

      From what I have seen, most of what calls itself “White nationalism” is more incompetent, than duplicitous.

      I think that’s why Harold Covington developed the correct formulation, “The Racially Conscious Community.”

      No scam, there!

      Simply the possible Living Foundation, of a New Nation.

      Blackshirt continued:
      Lonestar wrote:

      “If “Herr Linder” was sincere, he would welcome all race conscious people, respect their beliefs, try to find common ground and build a consensus. But he rather divide, find fault and name call. What a joke. How very kosher.”

      No, Linder recognizes Christinsanity for what it is, a anti-White, corrosive, mental disease that works against the best interests of the White Race. You cannot be a racist and a true Christian at the same time, because they are philosophies in opposition to each other as I have pointed out time and again. Linder doesn’t want “Christian” White Nationalists any more than he or others would want gay White Nationalists. He has taken a strong position on this and I support it.

      in reply:
      When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.

      Let me repeat that loudly, for the hearing impaired:

      When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.

      And, if Linder really does not want “Christian White Nationalists,” where on Earth will he find White Nationalists that are remotely effective in their communities?

      Aryanfests, or Hal Turner’s followers?

      Lonestar continued:

      “I guess “Herr Linder” is jealous that Christianity gets more respect today, supposed faults and all, than Nazism and white nationalism. I’m really sick of all these kosher Nazis and “white nationalists” sanctimoniously pretending to do us a favor and enlighten us, while conspiring to stick the knife further in our back.”

      Blackshirt replied:
      If you’re so sick of us being anti-Christian, why do you come back to this forum again and again with your CONservative, Christian BS? You’d do us all a favor if you’d disappear or perhaps go on over to Stormfront where you will be welcomed with open arms.

      in reply:
      No, if we can not accept constructive criticism, than we fail an elementary test of Adulthood.

      The question Lonestar address implicitly – “What are we trying to do here, and how do we measure success?” has been explicitly answered by Harold Covington.

      You see, at his peak, Pierce spoke of the need for a White Homeland – his was to be built from the ground up – good idea! – starting where we are – good idea! – building linkages, organizations, networks, and communities into White Archipelagoes – his version of “White Zion.”

      Good idea, but he never got around to defining this any further – I think he left that as an exercise of his students – and he never laid the groundwork for an organized political response – if not a political party – to carry this Idea forward.

      So, what is the largest framework in which we can place out activities?

      Glad you asked?

      Harold Covington, Northwest Republic, Northwest Quarter of books – all about why and how to build a White Homeland.

      “White Nationalism” is a nice, safe, distant, intellectual abstraction.

      A White Homeland – a Northwest Republic – removes all of our excuses for inaction, and intellectual lassitude.

      To paraphrase Franklin, “A Republic, if you want it, and are willing to work it!”

      my new sig:

      We have always set our sights too low.

      Harold Covington offers us an entire Nation, a White Homeland, as
      well as a Republic, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

      That’s good enough for me, today, and my Posterity, in time.

      In the meantime, why not take heed of the words of…

      Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous,
      unsuccessful barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

      “I dare you to do better.”

      What’s stopping you?

    23. New America Says:

      Socrates:

      One trapped in the spam filter.

      Thanks!

    24. Kuda Bux Says:

      Use the Socratic method to get it out!

      Or drink the hemlock!

    25. Curt O'brian Says:

      You know… I have to give you some props. Your suppleness of mind Blackshirt/para/etc etc. either is evidence of six people in a computer room with the same log in, six people or more in the world who have a chat board, or a really skilled poser. Quick of mind gay people bug me so I hope that’s not it. We are trained to respect the intelligent but then, you know, you are subhuman as a gay person…

      No these people who notice you’re a troll are different people. I don’t know them. But that Christian rant to Linder is even more creative than the Mississippi politico angle.

      Yes say what you want to about religion… at least they solved the day to day problem of the existence of gay people except very recently. Muslim or Christian…

      I think between being a jew and being a gay you’d defend being a gay first. Isn’t that disloyalty on your part?

    26. Tim McGreen Says:

      Kurt O’Lyin, maybe you should hire Bill Ayers to ghostwrite your posts. Obongo used him to write The Audacity of Hope. You never make any sense. I’d tell you to stay off the Old Grandad, but you can’ts tell a Blag man nuffin’.

    27. Ein Says:

      CW-2
      Great stuff, lots of free debate. Anyone looking for ‘immortality’ need only do two things, find a partner of the same race of similar character and have many healthy children.
      The war currently raging outside our front doors is all about whose genes are going to triumph in the future.
      Globalists and jews are fully aware that genes determine character and all cultural potential.
      It seems that most Christians are willfully blind to the realities of biology. They persist in the crazy notion that any savage out of the stone age can become a good ‘American’ or ‘European’ once a magic wand is waved over them.

      ……………………………

      Great stuff from YOU, CW-2!
      You’ve really hit it on the head.
      Now and then, one comes across some words so succinct, so memorable, they deserve to be framed. That certainly applies to the above.

      When all the ranting about ethics and religion and justice and God and morality are over, yes, in the end it all boils down to biology. Demographics. Numbers. Survivor wins all. All the world loves a winner. Nobody loves a loser.

    28. Tim McGreen Says:

      “They persist in the crazy notion that any savage out of the stone age can become a good ‘American’ or ‘European’ once a magic wand is waved over them.”
      ………………………………………………………………………………………………

      Not a magic wand, sir, a magic crucifix, or “Jesus Stick”.

      Becoming a US citizen used to be a big deal. Only the best and most promising immigrants were conferred citizenship. Now any subhuman hominid can become a citizen, AS LONG AS THEY AIN’T WHITE.

    29. Tim McGreen Says:

      Oh, that reminds me, Banjo/Curt/Tommy…How do you like worshipping the same Jew god that hundreds of millions of Mestizoes, Arabs, Philippinos and Negroes worship? All you honky-ass crackas is bruthas in Christ wit da bruthas,yo.

    30. Blackshirt Says:

      New America says:

      “When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.”

      I accept the term “racist” because there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that term and what it represents. Using the term “racialist” to circumvent the supposed bad vibes that come from from the term “racist” is playing the game by the enemies rules. I am a racist and I have no problem with that term and those intimately acquainted with me know I don’t avoid the term, although it isn’t something I don’t go trumpeting around. But if I am approached and asked whether I am a “racist”, I won’t deny it. I don’t think it is “Jewish” to accept that term, and if it is then surely Tom Metzger is a Jew since he calls himself a “White racist” with no reservations.

    31. Irma Grese Says:

      Regarding christ-insanity and I presume religion in general, Linder had THIS to say:

      I look at it this way. Even if you don’t know what is right, to know that belief A is wrong puts you farther ahead than the fellow who labors under the delusion that A is right.

      He is correct. However, when organizing against the jewish parasite, I believe that it behooves us to NOT alienate potential White allies who also happen to be christians. As long as they agree with us that a) jews and niggers must be exterminated and b) fags and pedos need to die post-haste, I’m willing to forgive their penchant for fantasy RPGs.

    32. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      I wrote:
      New America says:

      “When we accept the term “racist,” and apply it to ourselves, we are deliberately accepting the formulation of the Jew, Trotsky, and his Jewish compatriots.”

      you replied:

      I accept the term “racist” because there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that term and what it represents.

      in reply:
      Functionally, and practically, the term “racist” means, in fact, EXACTLY what the Jews want it to mean.

      In practice, it means stupid, uneducated, unskilled, untrained, morbidly obese. half-witted idiot.

      That word was Formed by the Jews for a PURPOSE.

      Works for them!

      you wrote:

      Using the term “racialist” to circumvent the supposed bad vibes that come from from the term “racist” is playing the game by the enemies rules. I am a racist and I have no problem with that term and those intimately acquainted with me know I don’t avoid the term, although it isn’t something I don’t go trumpeting around. But if I am approached and asked whether I am a “racist”, I won’t deny it.

      in reply:
      “Racialist,” as Madison Grant and others saw him self, is a far different term from “racis5,” and precedes “Racist.”

      In fact, racialist” was the terms the Jews Formed “racist” to nullify.

      I addressed your straw man to make one point, and that allows me to make another point.

      I used Harold Covington’s formulation, “Racially Conscious Community.”

      This is for an excellent reason.

      One, it implies INTENT – a Choice that is willfully made to be – and this is what wins First Prize – a part of a larger Community of racially allied people – your kinsmen, if only as the “family” you choose to join by adoption!

      Two, allow YOU to choose the Framing of the issue, in a positive manner than just might open the door to converting someone in your family, or circle of friends,

      Three, Community works well for the Jews – and will work even better for us.

      you wrote:

      I don’t think it is “Jewish” to accept that term, and if it is then surely Tom Metzger is a Jew since he calls himself a “White racist” with no reservations.

      in reply:
      The Jews Formed the term, and the Jews encourage the use of the term – on THEIR terms.

      And, with all due respect for Terrible Tommy, he has been betrayed, and stabbed in the back so often he is walking scar tissue.

      This happened, in larger part, because he tried to make the Terms, Definitions and Framework he had been handed, work against the people who all but wrote those Terms, Defined them to THEIR satisfaction, and placed himself in a Framework that was simply the wrong tool for the job.

      Metzger has made so many mistakes, mostly from trusting the kindnesses (and hollow promises0 of strangers that we should learn from him.

      Jack London’s later writings reflect his distrust of the extant political system.

      London finally realized The Game Was Rigged.

      Covington makes the same point, although he came at from outside a reading of Jack London, his own painfully gained experience proving enough of a Teacher – IF The Student Is Ready.

      Covington was ready.

      Here’s what Harold Covington said that is of such importance to us:

      The System is set up to stop the EXACT thing we are trying to do.

      The System stopped Jack London – as long as he chose to play by The System’s rules.

      The System stopped Tom Metzger – as long as he chose to play be The System’s rules.

      The System stopped Harold Covington – as long as he chose to play by The System’s rules.

      Guess – just guess – what The System will do to all “racists” – as long as they choose to play by The System’s rules?

      Remember a most astute observation by Peter Shank – The System is working to identify White People – White RACIAL Identity – as being identical to Hitler.

      Still want to play by The System’s rules?

      Much better to develop a better System.

      Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model, and his Northwest Quarter series of books, remove our excuses.

      my new sig:
      We have always set our sights too low.

      Harold Covington offers us an entire Nation, a White Homeland, as
      well as a Republic, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

      That’s good enough for me, today, and my Posterity, in time.

      In the meantime, why not take heed of the words of…

      Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous,
      unsuccessful barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

      “I dare you to do better.”

      What’s stopping you?

    33. Adam Says:

      Blackshirt Says:

      I accept the term “racist” because there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that term and what it represents. Using the term “racialist” to circumvent the supposed bad vibes that come from from the term “racist” is playing the game by the enemies rules. I am a racist and I have no problem with that term and those intimately acquainted with me know I don’t avoid the term, although it isn’t something I don’t go trumpeting around. But if I am approached and asked whether I am a “racist”, I won’t deny it. I don’t think it is “Jewish” to accept that term, and if it is then surely Tom Metzger is a Jew since he calls himself a “White racist” with no reservations.

      Hear, hear!

      The fact is, if you advocate for the interests of the white race, they’re going to call you a racist anyway, no matter what you call yourself. And you’re right too, that “racist” is the correct term; there’s nothing wrong with it. Speaking strictly in etymological terms, a “racist” is an adherent of racism (i.e., race + ism), which is the belief that there is such a biological category, that it is or can be significant, and that it applies to humans as well as other species.

      Running from the term only shows weakness.

    34. Adam Says:

      With regard to whose genes will persist into the future and techniques that may be used to ensure it, the genetic uniqueness of whites, the usefulness of the Christian religion in promoting “kinism”, I forward the following article to the attention of all.

      ======

      From: http://fijidailypost.com/editorial.php?date=20091010

      Making progress
      10-Oct-2009

      Exactly on the opposite side of the world from Europe and clustered around the 180-degree meridian from Greenwich, Fiji was, from the 19th century European perspective, given over to treachery, tribal warfare, and cannibalism – practices that were nowhere else on the planet, surpassed. Fijians were seen to be politically, culturally and spiritually, as dark as England was light. Explaining cannibalism to a European visitor, Bauan chief and the feared ‘Lord of Fiji’, Seru ‘Cikinovu’ (centipede) Cakobau, once said, ‘we have no beef but men’. Cannibalism, he confided to another is ‘considered manly’. For some, it was a religious requirement, to others it was a protocol of warfare. But an even greater insult to the defeated was to cook the bodies of their dead, but leave them uneaten (as though unfit for consumption). As macabre accompaniment to the ritual anthropophagi, the teeth of victims were used for necklaces, their skulls used for drinking cups and their bones hung in trees. The hair of victims was often worn around the waist as decoration.

      The 19th century Fijian taste for warmongering was equal, if not greater, than their predilection for flesh. One biographer noted at the time that Cakobau’s ‘great occupation was war’. Typically, he desired nothing less than ‘the entire destruction’ of enemy peoples; that alone ‘will satisfy me’ Cakobau is reported to have said. A European observer wrote that ‘Fijians as a people are addicted to war’, and ‘the occasions of war are very numerous’. Normally, the conduct of war involved consulting a bête/seer prior to battle, with fences and trenches typically constructed and retreat paths prepared, just in case. Bamboo spiked pitfalls were also common. The usual strategy was siege (there were very few open field battles until muskets were introduced in the 1820s). Double-crossing was normally the tactical means for winning. Tribal arsenals included clubs, spears, bows and arrows, slings, axes, swords, bayonets, and muskets.

      Presiding at the intersecting zenith of these twin evils of warfare and cannibalism in1837 was a 20 year old Cakobau, ferocious, cunning, and brilliant. For fifteen years following, under his father Tanoa’s tutelage, and to the dismay of Christian missionaries and European visitors alike, Cakobau proceeded to war with everyone in his vicinity. Yet his appearance denied his savagery: ‘Seru [Cakobau] is extremely good-looking, being tall, well made and athletic’ wrote a visiting American commander. ‘He exhibits much intelligence’ and ‘is graceful and easy in his carriage’. Another, similarly wrote, ‘It was impossible not to admire the appearance of the chief. Of large almost gigantic size, his limbs were beautifully formed and proportioned’. ‘His countenance’ he went on, was ‘agreeable and intelligent’. Noting further that ‘no garments confined his magnificent chest and neck’, the foreign observer said he looked ‘every inch a king’.

      When his father died in 1852, Cakobau inherited his title of Vunivalu, promising to wipe out Christianity in the not yet colonised islands. Tradition and promises made to ancestors demanded no less, he argued. But just two years after his vow, and after much psychological struggle, no doubt, Cakobau converted to the religion he had sworn against.

      To a missionary, he wondered aloud ‘will it prevent our having men to eat?’ Cakobau’s fulcrum decision changed forever the course of Fiji’s history. While his story of personal redemption was dramatic and absolute, in saving himself, he opened the door for his people to progress from the dark savagery of revenge-cannibalism to the light of Christian forgiveness, from brute ignorance to colonial civilization. As well as bringing salvation to his family and setting a noble example to his people, Cakobau confronted local land-grabbers, accommodated missionaries, pursued enemy chiefs, cemented deals with allies, negotiated with foreign arms traders, and hosted visiting naval commanders. By the time of Cession, 10 October 1874, he was not merely a local hero, but an experienced statesman.

      Five years after Cakobau’s cession gave Fiji colonial status, another heroic people arrived into the islands – indentured Indian labourers. Poverty and hardship hardly describe the suffering that these ancestors of many of today’s citizens experienced.

      Those hardy enough to survive the voyage from India were shackled together on plantations in huts barely big enough or fit enough for animal husbandry. Out in the cane fields their cruel foremen exacted their wages by outdoing each other in exploitation. Hence, at a time when Fijians were first coming to terms with the Bible and its Old Testament stories of four hundred years of Hebrew slavery in Pharaoh’s Egypt, they were being called upon to host and house an equally alienated people forced into conditions of slavery, but on the vanua. It is to the credit of both races that when their five year indentured periods ended, most Indians chose to stay in Fiji rather than return whence they had come.

      By 10 October 1970, the tripartite coexistence of Fijian, Indian, and colonialist came to an end. Colonialists left, and Indians and Fijian remained to work out a new relationship – without the whip hand of a master overseer (as it were). But the two great races were not without a solid base. After Cakobau had done his work of setting 19th century Fiji on its course, another great statesman, Ratu Sukuna, spent most of the 20th century giving Fiji its administrative structures. He did not live to see the new independent nation of Fiji, but would have been cheered by the statesmanship of Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara. Balancing the need to keep his own Fijian people attune to the fast changing demands of modernity with the need to accommodate fully and genuinely all other peoples in an emerging multicultural democracy, Mara created the basis for a new Fiji.

      That new vision for the nation is continuing to evolve and take form. The outcome will ultimately depend on all of Fiji’s peoples. When we think about the conditions of Fijians before Cakobau’s dramatic change of direction, we are amazed by what can happen so swiftly and successfully in so short a time in world-historical terms. When we similarly consider the great progress made by a virtual slave people whose ancestors were tricked into coming here to work, we are equally stunned by what collective cooperative efforts can achieve – national as well as racial and personal benefit. The national journey continues and whether we celebrate 135 years since Cession, or 39 years since Independence Day, Fiji can take a bow and take these borrowed words to heart: ‘We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us in our past history’. Have a blessed Fiji Day.

      Dr Robert Wolfgramm

    35. Lutjens Says:

      Irma,

      Real Christians (Catholics) hate Jews because they are spawns of the Devil. Catholics that suck up to the Jews because Jesus was a Jew are probably crypto-kikes or freemasons posing as Catholics. Fuck them. For those that don’t believe this, open the New Testament…. John 8:38 and Revelation 2:9. They should also open the Talmud and see the writings and teachings against Jesus Christ and Christianity in general. Pretty vile stuff.

      http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

      Any Christian today should be aware of this and should act against the kikes and their shills accordingly. Unfortuantely, many do not.

      As far as niggers and kikes go, they can all cease to exist. 98% of our problems in America would go away when these savage creatures disappear from our midst.

    36. Tim McGreen Says:

      Racially concious Whites should not have a problem with being called racist or anti-Semite. I am proud to be both. Der Fuhrer also had no problem with being called anti-Semitic. Does anyone here REALLY like the A-rabs, Moors and Ethiopians? They’ze all Semites, too, just like Hymie is.

    37. Blackshirt Says:

      Tim and Adam,

      I’m glad you guys agree about the term “racist”. When you are an intelligent, respectable sort of White person and you own the term “racist” it is a complete mind fuck to the Social Marxists you meet. I have met many of them who express utter disbelief and shock when I own the term “racist”. They say things like “b-b-but I don’t understand, you are not what I pictured a racist to be like.” “I don’t understand, you’re so well educated, why would you want to use that term?” It just completely blows their circuits when they meet a White man who defies the stereotypes and doesn’t dance around the “racist” label by calling himself a “racialist” or any of the other plethora of other code words out there.

      Now, I’m not going to knock anyone who wants to use alternative terms… it’s all up to you. I used to use the alternative terms too, but I got tired of feeling like I was somehow being a coward or untrue to myself. And frankly I like the feeling I get when I own the word racist- it’s a warm sense of gratification I get when I see the reactions I get from Social Marxists- it’s priceless!

    38. Blackshirt Says:

      “apollonian” wow, you really are a piece of work! “Christianity and reason” go together like oil and water- in other words they DON’T.

      “And note Christianity thematically defends TRUTH against Jew lies and conspiracy, esp. as in definitive Gosp. JOHN 14:6 whence Christ is explicitly identified as truth itself. Thus note Christianity implicitly defends Aristotelian OBJECTIVITY, this the necessary criterion of truth. And finally, we note then human reason itself is necessarily founded upon such objectivity.”

      How can Christinsanity be truth itself when it is completely based on “faith” and not facts or reason? There is no proof or facts that a man walked on water or raised the dead or lived in the belly of a whale for 3 days, ad nauseum. In order to be a Christian you have to believe Jewsus did these things without fact or proof, just “faith”. “Christianity is truth” that’s a good one!

    39. Blackshirt Says:

      … the belly of the whale story is actually from the Old Testament and Jewsus wasn’t credited with that “miracle”. Still from the Jewish bible though, and is an example of the malarkey you have to have “faith” in if you are a Christard.

    40. Ein Says:

      Blackshirt Says:
      “apollonian” wow, you really are a piece of work! ”
      ……………….

      Wow, indeed! So he is. He’s got to be either a total whack job or a shirt-stirring troll introduced to provide some colorful controversy. I can’t decide which, but I lean toward the latter. And where did he get that weird Slavic accent?

      [Is strangest Slavic accent that I hever have hearink. Have spel that right, yes? So have found out. And death to Fed.]

    41. Tim McGreen Says:

      If you are…excuse me, if u r, going to believe a bunch of Levantine myths about gods born in virgin wombs, talking clouds and people being raised from the dead, then u r NOT rational. One might as well believe in flying pink elephants, invisible talking rabbits or Negro rocket scientists.

      Honest erections and death to Club Med.

    42. Tom McReen Says:

      This thread illustrates perfectly how the anti trolls are using Christian-bashing to hijack WN/cause division.