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An alternate uniform change that might be even more appropriate: black pants, black boots, white shirt, (white hat), white flag with insignia: for the White race. I can see in my mind's eye 1,000,000 White men and women in sharp White uniform -- a sea of White with thousands of White flags flying -- sweeping down on Washington DC and London and Munich and Paris and Stockholm. You think a million more wouldn't join on the spot?

Yes, white and black, with this as the new symbol of white awakening. Or a swastika instead of celtic cross.

The color red is very important: it psychologically fires people up. If that means firing up the enemy to prove they are scum, then all the better to show people for what they are.

In my opinion, the NSM should have their participants carry the biggest swastica flags they can find. Fielding a sea of Nazi red definitely makes an impression. It can't be ignored.

The NSM will never modernize, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't put together a WN force of men and women with a more modern look.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/?

No, actually I'm not a member of the NSM. Just someone who believes that the dues-paying membership of that very effective organization is in a better position to decide how they will present themselves than I am.

I'll allow myself a tad of cynicism and assume that you are exactly the type of do-nothing, contribute-nothing, "supporter" who is addressed at length by VonBluvens and Doc on the 5/1/06 VonBluvens show.

http://www.nsm88radio.com/

Exactly!

BTW-The person taking a generic catalogue photo to dress up your ideal of what the NSM should look like is tacky to say the least.

The part I don’t get about this debate is why should any non-NSM member care about what uniform they wear?

Most of the criticism of the NSM rings hollow for the following reasons: If one doesn’t like the uniform, don’t join up. This part should be a no-brainer. As a matter of fact, I think that it should be incumbent upon those who strongly disagree with the wearing of Nazi uniforms to form their own organization and dress as they see fit.

Also, we can expect the jew to criticize and try to subvert any pro-White effort. It is a delicate balance to give constructive criticism and not to appear like a jew who is out to hurt a White organization. Let me be clear on this, I am not calling anyone here a jew, what I am saying is that we must be aware of perceptions. Therefore, it's wise to temper our remarks and to consider the fact that we are talking about White men who are struggling to fight the jew in the best way that they see fit. And it is a fact that when any pro-White group “tries” to take it to the jew, they get more criticism then lauding, especially from our own, and that’s a shame.

If the Jewsmedia cried "HATE GETS A MAKEOVER" it wouldn't matter - what the Jews think about the NSM simply doesn't matter, never has. It's what the whites think about the NSM that matters.

Let’s get real here for a minute, Isn’t it the jew who tells White people what they are suppose to think? Come on! We're surrounded by a sea of jew-programmed lemmings! Therefore, what sense does your point make? Who are we trying to please? Jews or White people who are controlled by jews? There is no real choice here.

Let’s continue with the reality check. If new-styled uniforms are such an obvious solution, why aren’t there any pro-White groups out there right now in America showing-off new uniforms and flags? Yes, I’m aware of other countries that “appear” to have White men in contemporary uniforms. We’ve all seen the on-line pictures. But I really don’t have a clue as to what they stand for because I read and speak only English. For all I know, those pictures I’ve seen of other country’s White men marching around in similar uniforms could be gay-pride rallies. What is their platform? I don’t know. All I know is that they’re not American.

The NSM have created their own stage and the have their act. It’s their show! Do they really need us in the audience heckling them? When it’s a fact, that if we don’t like the NSM show, there is absolutely nothing stopping us from starting-up our own pro-White show?

Who said it’s against the law to establish our own WN group with new uniforms?

The NSM is hurting no one, because there is no one else out there! They bypass the anti-White jew-media and take our message to the people. They stand directly before our folk, belly to belly, and tell them the truth. And by virtue of this reality, and because they are the only pro-White game in town with boots in the streets is why I am a champion of the NSM.

You guys are on the bubble. YOU are the ones currently making a big stink in the media. While I am not a fan of the NSM (obviously), I would not want to see good and decent White men or women getting into trouble. EVEN WITH my extreme dislike for the NSM, I think there are probably well meaning Whites within your ranks. You guys need to do a better job of making sure the wackos and criminals are kept well away from you. Here is ONE uniform you DO NOT want to wear!

Wow, Action Alert, that has to be the most gracious statement you have ever made concerning the NSM. Your point is well taken. There is a diverse and dynamic mixture of Whites who make up the current NSM. However, if we were to divide ourselves into "good and decent" white men, and those who could potentially get us into trouble, then we wouldn't have much of a Party would we? Non-NSM members will never understand what the NSM is all about, but they'll also never tire of offering opinions about us. Good, bad, decent, ugly, fat, male, female.........we are ALL on the same page! THAT'S what makes us special, and that is what makes us the leader in WN today.

I can tell you from personal experience that Commander Jeff Schoep, a man who you have lampooned several times, is absolutely the REAL deal and the ONLY leader in White Nationalism today. I was at a low point recently, in my activism and beliefs, and the man who took the time to pick me back up and reinvigorate me was Jeff Schoep! You can imagine how busy the Commander is these days, but he made time to make sure that ONE member knew how much he was valued and appreciated. Would Strom, Duke, Black or Linder have taken the time??? I think you can answer that for yourself.

Anyway, Action Alert, thanks for your concern and your moderate comments concerning the NSM. We may make you a member yet!! :cheers:

The part I don’t get about this debate is why should any non-NSM member care about what uniform they wear?

Why should anyone who wasn't a member of the NA care about the NA falling apart? Why should we care about VNN, or what Duke's doing, or any other group or particular activist who fights for the race?

My question to you Brutus is, why shouldn't we care?

Most of the criticism of the NSM rings hollow for the following reasons: If one doesn’t like the uniform, don’t join up. This part should be a no-brainer. As a matter of fact, I think that it should be incumbent upon those who strongly disagree with the wearing of Nazi uniforms to form their own organization and dress as they see fit.

Point taken. Those who think the uniform ridiculous or don't care for it won't bother to join the NSM. Eventually an organization that meets all the proper criteria will be created, (largely by following Hitler's example to the T, which the NSM is explicitly failing to do by wearing their outdated uniforms from a past that was lost). When that group eventually emerges, the strong man will be mightiest alone and the leadership of that group will understand it.

Also, we can expect the jew to criticize and try to subvert any pro-White effort. It is a delicate balance to give constructive criticism and not to appear like a jew who is out to hurt a White organization. Let me be clear on this, I am not calling anyone here a jew, what I am saying is that we must be aware of perceptions. Therefore, it's wise to temper our remarks and to consider the fact that we are talking about White men who are struggling to fight the jew in the best way that they see fit. And it is a fact that when any pro-White group “tries” to take it to the jew, they get more criticism then lauding, especially from our own, and that’s a shame.

Heh, personally I think the NSM isn't naming the Jew enough after watching those videos. Hal Turner neither. Naming the Jew should be one of the primary goals of any serious WN organization or activist, and if he's not doing that he's probably doing more harm than good (though it's still not certain).

I kinda like VNN because of that. Linder's assessment of the Jew is superbly correct: the only thing the nasty little tribe understands is people pushing back harder than they do. Linder has clearly thought carefully about the problem, but it's apparent that neither he nor anyone else has really developed a solution.

Regarding presentation, referring to "Jews" in the abstract sense always makes one come off as a kook. Whenever discussing the Jews one needs to mention specific Jews involved in whatever one is complaining about and then tie it together to the greater picture. A Pierce-like presentation or something from the main page of VNN isn't possible at a street ralley, but the basic idea still holds. Rockwell rattled off a bunch of Jew names when he raged to the crowd about media control.

The NSM should drop the American flag before they drop the Swastika. The US flag is the symbol of our enemies, and I dont care if it has 50 stars or 13 on it.

More original uniforms would be good. Black shirts instead of brown was already suggested, and I agree.

RE: Fenrir

My question to you Brutus is, why shouldn't we care?

Of course we should care, so long as the caring doesn’t turn into unwanted meddling or ad hominem attacks. I frequently come to the defense of the NSM for that reason. There is nothing wrong with open and honest debate and “respectful” constructive criticism. And because they are our blood brothers, it should be done in the spirit of camaraderie.

Heh, personally I think the NSM isn't naming the Jew enough after watching those videos. Hal Turner neither. Naming the Jew should be one of the primary goals of any serious WN organization or activist, and if he's not doing that he's probably doing more harm than good (though it's still not certain).

I agree, they need to focus more on the jew. However, it’s much easier to attack the niggers because they are such a big target and it’s no problem to get empathy from a White crowd because the nigger problem is right in front of them. Yet, we all know that it’s really the jew who is the root problem. But the jew is hidden and requires deeper and more complicated explanations to expose their crimes. And we also know that those sorts of exposés are difficult when podium speaking, and where clever sound-bites are needed.

In order to get to a level of public speaking whereby one is masterful of the podium sound bite, one must have experience and great knowledge of the topic. We get there, by practice and continually educating ourselves. With every rally, the NSM is gaining in those areas. I see some real raw talent in some of the fellows and it’s just a matter of getting out there and doing it. And in no time they will become verbal jew-crushing machines.

When my sons were younger, they started a rock band. Even though they were accomplished and classically trained musicians in their own right, their band was admittedly shaky in the beginning, but with each public performance they got better and better. Now, a few years later, they are amazing and they hold their audiences spell-bound. And so it will be with the NSM.

The thrust of my appeal is to let them give it a try. Let’s see how far they can go. Cheer them on, even when things aren’t going so well. Let them know that they are appreciated and that White people are with them in spirit. Our support and faith in their quest will help them carry onward.

The thrust of my appeal is to let them give it a try. Let’s see how far they can go. Cheer them on, even when things aren’t going so well. Let them know that they are appreciated and that White people are with them in spirit. Our support and faith in their quest will help them carry onward.

I'd love nothing more than to see the NSM successful in the future. I do appreciate them and all other fully honest WN organizations.

The NSM is by far a better organization than American Renaissance, despite what all of the posters on Amren say about "vulgarity" and other snobbish, largely class based sentiments. Street action and direct political agitation against the Jew and his racial minions will be the only effective method of winning this thing. The naysayers in places like Amren who think they're above "that sort of behavior" will never succeed until they can come to terms with the reality of the Jewish Question. The NSM has its heart in the right place. American Renaissance, unlike the NSM, is built on a foundation of sand.

I'm only arguing strongly for the uniform change because I think it's something easily done now which could matter very much later. Watching the National Alliance slowly grow only to have it wither on the vine after Pierce's death must have been fairly traumatic and disappointing for many WNs.

A question to think about:

Why do communists all over the world use the hammer and sickle flag to identify themselves as such?

VB: BTW-The person taking a generic catalogue photo to dress up your ideal of what the NSM should look like is tacky to say the least.

Generic catalogue photos use normal-looking people, unlike all of the photos of your NSM members, which depict so-called "Aryan Nazis" with everything from ugly billy-goat beards to shitty neck tattoos. (and you know who I'm talking about)

Tacky, did you say? Well, the guy with the beer-belly and too-short tie (below) looks like a train conductor from the 1940s, with a shirt literally smeared with so much military-type "fruit salad" that it makes him the epitome of "tacky". But then, what's your problem anyway, Blevens? I've already conceded your group will remain trapped in the early 20th century, so that should satisfy you.

What does amuse me, however, is your deliberate refusal to acknowledge who in the NSM actually has the administrative authority to modernize the NSM uniform, if so desired. Your failure to answer that simple question means you fear providing the answer, because you know it would be harmful to your group if that individual were made public. For then it would make it too easy to pin the blame squarely on one individual instead of the entire NSM membership for being so antiquated in his thinking that he would use and promote a silly, vulgarly eclectic mish-mash of Ernst Roehm's homosexual-inspired Brown Shirts, which Hitler himself so came to despise that he had to kill a bunch of them off.

THIS is tacky.