17 January, 2008

White Music

Posted by Socrates in music, Socrates, Western culture, White identity at 8:00 pm | Permanent Link

“Song to the Moon,” from Dvorak’s 1901 opera “Rusalka.” It is found in several modern movies, including “Bicentennial Man” (1999), starring Robin Williams. (Rock-n-roll fans: listen to it a few times before dismissing it as “old folks” music):

Video: [Here].


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  7. 28 Responses to “White Music”

    1. Heather Blue Says:

      The diva has a beautiful voice.

    2. M. Kraus Says:

      [Heather Blue Says:

      The diva has a beautiful voice.]

      Yes, and to think the term “diva” is now applied to talentless, screeching nigger females who couldn’t sing real music if their miserable lives depended on it.

      I know it’s a cliche, but…how far we have fallen.

    3. Steve Says:

      Here’s some more culture, so rare to find:
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=LX1fiE0U1qA

    4. Cliff Says:

      Just when you thought the whole of the junk media was jewish this comes along.

      Jewish Film Festival
      The 17th annual Tucson Jewish Film Festival started last Saturday and runs through Jan. 22 before starting again Feb. 10 and Feb. 24.
      Festival director Susan Silverman said the event got off to a great start with more than 500 people attending opening night.
      Here’s a look at the remaining screenings. Times and titles are subject to change. General admission to screenings is $8, and screenings are at the Tucson Jewish Community Center unless otherwise noted.
      Today
      • 7 p.m. “Diary of Niclas Gheiler,” “Souvenirs.”
      Friday
      • 1 p.m. “Toots.”
      Saturday
      • 7:30 p.m. “Aviva, My Love,” $15.
      Sunday
      • 1 p.m. “Curious George” (free screening).
      • 3 p.m. “Sima Vaknin, Witch.”
      • 7 p.m. “Orthodox Stance,” with an appearance by the film’s star, Dmitriy Salita.
      Monday
      • 7 p.m. “Sweet Mud.”
      Tuesday
      • 7 p.m. “Gorgeous” at the Loft Cinema, 3233 E. Speedway.
      Feb. 7
      • 10 a.m.-4 p.m. Mah Jongg Day Film/Lunch, $25.
      Feb. 10
      • Noon. “Samuel Bak: Painter of Questions.”
      • 2 p.m. “Rape of Europa.”
      Feb. 24
      Screenings at the University of Arizona’s Gallagher Theater.
      • Noon “The Schwartz Dynasty.”
      • 2 p.m. “Knowledge Is the Beginning.”
      • 5 p.m. “Aviva, My Love.”
      Review
      Orthodox Stance
      ***
      • Rated: Not rated.
      • Director: Jason Hutt.
      • Family call: Not for kids.
      • Running time: 83 minutes.
      • Playing at: 7 p.m. Sunday at the Tucson Jewish Film Festival at the Tucson Jewish Community Center, 3800 E. River Road. Boxer Dmitriy Salita, gym owner Bruce Silverglade and director Jason Hutt will appear. Tickets are $8.
      Other articles by Phil Villarr

    5. Cliff Says:

      PS/

      The kikes can never take our culture away. Western “WHITE” culture is why they hate us.

      That is why we are at WAR.

    6. abe foxman Says:

      It’s no only music, it’s everything. I have just started working again in my field of science and of course there’s every kind of human specimen in this multinational corp I have joined.
      I don’t get into the racist thing because I believe all should have their own and enjoy it. Only the Jew loves multiculturalism. I keep pretty much to myself but yesterday was in the canteen minding my own when a bunch of middle Asians decided they wanted to bond. Maybe I looked like a lost sheep.
      It was question time. How many kids you got? Where do you live? and What’s your hobby?
      Well my hobby is is restoring old automobiles…yep, old cars and so I told them!
      Yep, I restore these old jalopies AND not only bring them back to their former glory, but attend night class to learn the arts of panel beating and spray painting.
      There was a blanket silence…they looked at each other. Their eyes said it all. ‘Why on earth don’t this man just BUY a car? He makes enough money…how in god’s name can he find pleasure in such a hobby’ I understood that to them it equates to someone rifling through a dump to salvage old batteries.
      They just don’t understand the Aryan search for beauty, form and preservation. It is more godly than any religion. These treasures are the sweat of out forefathers. It shows our greatness in science. It shows our ability to create beauty through functional form and a work ethic that sacrifices the self for the honor of participating in the creating a work of art as well as the deep desire to preserve.
      This is what the Jew hates most about us…and he hates it because without us he’s be still riding a camel and shitting in a ditch.
      Aryans who want to preserve themselves only need to emulate their forefathers. Have a strong work ethic, strive to be creative, embrace industriousness and always be prepared to go the extra mile.

    7. Gott Says:

      I see the ‘discussion’ of the 1 or 2 minute bleeding chunk of Rusalka you posted has transmogrified into something else after, what? – 2 or 3 posts? Rusalka wasn’t written to be excerpted down to 1 minute of music. It was written to be heard and watched as a music-drama, an opera, which engages the mind as much as the emotions.

      You, Alex, are always stressing the value and importance of thinking clearly, yet, at VNN culture is a closed book with the pages glued permanently together.

      How can you preach thinking while ignoring, and by doing do, displacing culture from it’s centrality in our own ‘culture?’

      Socrates defines (partially) beauty as ‘useful.’ Indeed it is in terms of going more deeply, getting your attitudes and priorities straight, understanding how smaller elements (for instance, the pitiful chunk of a beautiful large-span whole which you posted) CONNECT to each other structurally.

      Understanding art means going beyond – way beyond – ‘nice,’ ‘pretty,’ and ‘EASY’ accessibility to an awareness of large-span architectural/engineering connections. Doing so very clearly demonstrates just how central to European greatness our culture really is. Doing so also clearly teaches one to think, to make connections and see beyond the dissembling easy answers provided by the propaganda ministry vis a vis all aspects of life.

      People get the world they deserve, and as we have turned our backs on the absolutely greatest aspect of our own civilization and willingly descended into inert, bovine stupidity (the 3 minute pop song, ‘hot’ babes, spectator sports, etc. etc.) – we deserve what we got.

      It is disgracefully lazy and disgustingly stupid and vile that 99% of the denizens of your site don’t know shit about their own culture. Without that culture, we are nothing, and that is precisely why we are where we are (one stop from extinction)

    8. tennyson Says:

      beautifull Diva singing. I am not a big opera fan but I love white culture so I enjoy these things in a roundabout way. Curiously though, my four cats were freaked out by the sound of operatic singing. Maybe another VNN reader could try the experiment on thier cats.
      I like the comment about Negro “Divas”… So true…They butcher our classic tunes with their unsolicited ad-libs. The songs they savage are written perfectly(Star spangled banner for example), but negro-ego kicks in and feels obliged to add a dozen notes that ruin the brilliant simplicity of the tunes. When I win the lotto I am going to get a speaker truck and drive it slowly through the ghetto playing German yodeling tunes at concert volume.

    9. Stuyvesant Says:

      Off-topic: Bollyn says he made a crucial break-through on 9-11 !!

      http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=117163

      Keep watching as the story unfolds…

    10. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      LOITERS NEWS GROUP

      Older White Bitches join Kenya’s sex tourists
      Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:28am EST
      By ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY

      MOMBASA, Kenya (Loiters) – Bethan, 56, lives in southern England on the same street as best friend Allie, 64.

      They are on their first holiday to Kenya, a country they say is “just full of “BIG” young boys who like anything White and female”

      “Hard” figures are easy to cum by, but local people on the coast estimate that as many as one in five single sluts visiting from rich countries are in search of simian sex.

      Allie and Bethan — who both declined to give their full names — said they planned to spend a whole month touring Kenya’s palm-fringed beaches. They would do well to avoid the country’s tourism officials.

      “It’s not evil,” said Jake Grieves-Cook, chairman of the Kenya Tourist Board, when asked about the practice of older rich women traveling for sex with young Kenyan boys.

      “But it’s certainly something we frown upon.”

      Also, the health risks are stark in a country with an AIDS prevalence of 6.9 percent. Although condom use can only be guessed at, Julia Davidson, an academic at Nottingham University who writes on sex tourism, said that in the course of her research she had met women who shunned condoms — finding them too “businesslike” for their exotic fantasies.

      The white beaches of the Indian Ocean coast stretched before the friends as they both walked arm-in-arm with young nigger bucks, Allie resting her white haired-head on the shoulder of her primate companion, a seven-foot-eight retarded 23-year-old from the Maasai tribe.

      He wore new designer sunglasses he said were a gift from her.

      “We both get something we want — where’s the negative?” Allie asked in a bar later, nursing a strong, golden shower cocktail.

      She was still wearing her bikini top, having just pulled on a pair of jeans and a necklace of traditional groid beads.

      Bethan sipped the same local drink: a powerful mix of honey, fresh limes and vodka known locally as “Dawa,” or “medicine.”

      She kept one eye on her date — a 20-year-old negro playing pool, a red bandana tying back dreadlocks and new-looking designer sports shoes on his feet.

      He looked up and came to join her at the table, kissing her, then collecting more coins for the pool game.

      “JUST UNWHOLESOME”

      Grieves-Cook and many hotel managers say they are doing all they can to discourage the practice of older women picking up local ape boys, arguing it is far from the type of tourism they want to encourage in the east African nation.

      “The head of a local hoteliers’ association told me they have begun taking measures — like refusing guests who want to change from a single to a double room,” Grieves-Cook said.

      “It’s about trying to make those guests feel as uncomfortable as possible … But it’s a fine line. We are 2% percent against anything illegal, such as prostitution. But it’s different with something like this — it’s just unwholesome.”

      These same beaches have long been notorious for attracting another type of sex tourists — those who abuse children.

      As many as 15,000 nigger girls in four coastal districts — about a third of all 12-18 year-olds girls there — are involved in casual sex for cash, a joint study by Kenya’s government and U.N. children’s charity UNICEF reported late last year.

      Up to 3,000 more girls and boys are in full-time sex work, it said, some paid for the “most horrific and abnormal acts.”

      “PREYING ON POVERTY?”

      Emerging alongside this black market trade — and obvious in the bars and on the sand once the sun goes down — are thousands of elderly white women hoping for romantic, and legal, encounters with much younger Kenyan men.

      They go dining at fine restaurants, then dancing, and back to expensive hotel rooms overlooking the coast.

      “One type of sex tourist attracted the other,” said one manager at a shorefront bar on Mombasa’s Bamburi beach.

      “Old white guys have always come for the younger girls and boys, preying on their poverty … But these old women followed … they never push the legal age limits, they seem happy just doing what is sneered at in their countries.”

      Experts say some thrive on the social status and financial power that comes from taking much poorer, younger lovers.

      “This is what is sold to tourists by tourism companies — a kind of return to a colonial past, where white “women” are served, serviced, and pampered by black minions,” said Nottinghan University’s Davidson.

      “LIVE LIKE THE RICH”

      Many of the visitors are on the lookout for men like Joseph.

      Flashing a dazzling smile and built like an Olympic basketball star, the 22-year-old 8’2″ orangutan said he has slept with more than 100 white bitches, most of them 30 years his senior.

      “When I go into the clubs, them White bitches are the only bitches I look for now,” he told Reuters. “I get to live like the rich mzungus (White people) who come here from rich countries, staying in the best hotels and just having my fun.”

      At one club, a group of about 25 dancing negro boys — most of them Joseph look-alikes (all coloreds look a like) — edge closer and closer to a crowd of more than a dozen White whores, all in their golden shower years.

      “It’s not love it’s chocolate lust, obviously. I didn’t come here looking for a husband,” Bethan said over a pounding beat from the speakers.

      “It’s a social arrangement. I buy him a nice shirt and we go out for dinner. For as long as he stays with me he doesn’t pay for anything, and I get what I want — a good time. How is that different from a man buying a young girl dinner or some rock?”

      © Loiters 2007. All rights not resoived.

    11. Sandor Says:

      Take it easy, there, Gott. You’re saying more about yourself than you probably intend. These ‘culture bites’ are part of the conveyor belt. Whites who have the capability to develop and produce culture will be drawn in. Those with a shallower interest will at least have some positive images in their heads. Funny that it took Andre Rieu to get people interested in classical music, but my mom loves him, and I wish every sphere of white culture had its own Andre Rieu.

    12. Gott Says:

      HI Sandor,

      I’m a total elitist snob if that’s what you mean (saying more about myself) – and I’ve fucking earned the right to be one and I’m damed proud to be one too. I know my (dead) culture and it wasn’t through being a white guy with ‘the capability to develop and produce culture.’ It was through HARD WORK. You don’t arrive at an understanding of Die Walkure through easy listening sound bites, you do it by LISTENING to the whole thing and striving (using your brain) to understand, and by listening to other works in the idiom and again, listening hard, and working hard to understand. I have heard that baloney (lead them gently through easy small doses) for years and have never, not once, seen anything whatsoever come out of it. Art is more than pretty sounds, a lot more.

      One of my favorite operas is Rossini’s Guillaume Tell – which is, or rather should be, a profound inspiration to any genuine white person as it is a work of utmost nobility celebrating a (white) people’s fight to be free. A friend, a white guy, said he was interested and wanted to hear it. I told him to forget it as it wasn’t easy and he wouldn’t get it as it takes WORK to learn and know the very sophisticated idiom and he didn’t have either the background or the inclination to acquire it. Sure enough, he found it incomprehensible and boring. Oh yeah, he loved the overture. Funny loving the overture didn’t lead him into the very, VERY great work of art that follows it.

      I have more contempt for loud mouthed ‘Whites’ who go on and on about niggers and jews being inferior than I do for niggers and jews. After all, it’s OUR culture that WE are betraying. It’s our patrimony we are manifestly trashing by not living up to it.

      I’ve been in this ‘White Nationalist’ cyber reality for a long time now and at a number of sites, and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I’ve met how have heard an entire Rossini or Wagner opera, and the number of persons I’ve met who can intelligently discuss them is ZERO. And that goes for literature (there is some interest in literature, I have to take that part back), for painting and for architecture as well.

      Now if that makes me an obnoxious uppity braggart, well, yeah, I am.

      Look at the ‘comments’ in this thread (or whatever it is) and then take a look at George Bernard Shaw’s music criticism, and see what White Men were once like. Shaw was a literary figure, not a professional musician, and yet he knew his (European) culture backwards and could not only discuss, but most learnedly, as well as delightfully delve into the most profound structural intricacies of Wagner, Palestrina, etc.

      If VNNers and such don’t know rats-ass about their own culture except in easy listening, best-of versions which are always total perversions of the artist’s original intentions – then what, besides theatrical showing off (the glories of being White, blah, blah, blah) – exactly, are ‘we’ ‘fighting for’?

      Medieval Roman Sheppards scratching their dirty heads as they stabled their flocks in the ruins of the Roman Forum…that’s us – white people – today, and we got here ourselves and don’t deserve anything but contempt for it. The only difference is that the Roman Sheppard at least had the common sense and decency to scratch his head in WONDER at what men of his own race once did.

    13. Alex Linder Says:

      It is disgracefully lazy and disgustingly stupid and vile that 99% of the denizens of your site don’t know shit about their own culture. Without that culture, we are nothing, and that is precisely why we are where we are (one stop from extinction)

      1. I am not Socrates. I didn’t post this.

      2. Opera is not culture. People with IQs under 100 like pro wrestling; people with IQ over 100 like opera. That doesn’t mean there’s any difference. They both suck. Opera is bad music + bad acting + fat people. I have no use for it and absolutely no interest in it, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Western culture, which is White men resisting authority and using their brains. What music they listen to is as irrelevant as what beer they drink. Thought refined through verbal formulations is the only culture that matters. Bierce, Mencken, Twain showed the way. Opera is to piss on.

    14. tennyson Says:

      Yeah….what Alex said……

      What is most sad about our current culture is that we are still listening to music created hundreds of years ago. If that is your thing then great, but if not then you are no worse off as a result. What I would like to know is: where is the great music of our time? Music today is all so repetitious and mechanical (like our mechanised modern world). The snobbery starts when we expect someone to see nuances we have learned to see. Most opera sucks. Some opera makes me weep.
      To tell someone “don’t even bother” listening to something is sad. They should listen to it, if interested,and not be dissuaded because they might not “get it”. They may draw a more brilliant picture than the seasoned listener. What i see is “Liptonism” in the comment he made. (Lipton and the “Actors studio” on faggy Bravo).
      We are not swine. Opera is not pearls.

    15. tennyson Says:

      Listen to: Tales of topographic oceans….Yes
      Check out: “The revealing science of God.” Brilliant and inspiring.
      Jon Anderson was very much into his English heritage. He did some solo work dealing with ancient folk-lore.
      This is a double album with 4 songs. It is a masterpiece of modern music in my proletariat opinion.

    16. tennyson Says:

      “What white men use to be like”? This fucked up American experience is Shaw’s legacy…and all the others. So tell me what were they like? Shaw was not marinaded in Multi cult broth his whole life. That is an unfair comparison to place us on the same plane as Shaw. There are Shaws and Fords and Rockwells and Pierces and a slew of others with the white potential, and they will end up wiggers and drunks. It can’t be helped given the overwhelming odds bright young whites are facing. The best we can do is steal them from the system.
      Solzhenitsyn had some things to say about Shaw by the way.
      Gulag Archipelago….a must read.

    17. sgruber Says:

      Opera is written and enjoyed by some over-100-IQers. If culture is thinking, then opera is a result of culture, like movable type, cathedrals, and health food. White stuff.

      To put a fine point on, opera is one of our folkways, like square dancing. That’s culture loosely. No nigger is going to write an opera without a jew behind him.

      Why has no great opera come up since Puccini? Because jews are on top of Whites. No Whites, no great creators. Bach wouldn’t be permitted to write one note if he were born in the Kwa.

      But almost all operas are lame. Wagner’s idea of a “total art work” reached its fruition in the modern talkie. Opera was a groping toward the radiance of flickering celluloid, which combines all the arts much more effectively than “bad music + bad acting + fat people.” Operas were good in their day, but today they play like crippled musicals. I mean an opera doesn’t know if it wants to be a symphony, a cantata, or a play. Reason one why they are so boring and dramatically ineffective to non-specialists (whose biggest thrills are technical: “oh, her upper register!” “oh, those notes at the end!”).

      I’m a hard-core non-opera classical fan. But the wide angle: all this is White. Yes, strictly culture is thinking, and no one has to be a fan of operas like Hitler was (and I’m not) or a fan of square dancing. But let’s respect the fact that these are attempts made by men of our blood to serve needs of groups of us in various historical times. Zimbaube isn’t notable for its Beethovens. But it is notable for its murderous blue-gums. The average nigger IQ is 69 in Africa.

      There is a solution to the jew problem.

    18. Gott Says:

      Opera is to be piss on? This from an expert on the subject, eh, Herr Linder? I’m glad you too subscribe to the logical maxim that people should only hold forth on WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT. And, it’s clear to see you have deeply studied the subject. Sort of like your 20 year old moron constituency who refer to whatever shitty soprano is featured on this tread as ‘diva’ …because, ‘diva is what the really cool sci-fi CGI thingamajib is called in that really cool Bruce Willis movie! What a great representative of our culture you are turning out to be, buster.

      Ever hear of Franz Liszt, Alex (to piss on)? How about (fill in the names of virtually every composer produced by western culture since 1600 or so)(to piss on) ? THEY All thought that opera – the wedding of intelligent drama to the expressive capabilities of the human voice – was the absolute apex of all that culture could and SHOULD be(to piss on). Piss on opera is another way of saying you don’t know shit about it, and don’t know what you are talking about when you talk about it.

      But, hey, OK. Wanna fucking talk about Beethoven symphonies instead???? Schubert part songs? Moreau paintings? Canova statures? Mazoni novels? Bierce. Menchen. Twain. I see.

      I sometimes wondered what having your ass kissed so consistently might do to you. I suggest (waiting for the Olympian, but at the same time kutting edge, entirely-up-to-date, playing to the gallery of moronic-20 year old-armchair ‘white nationalists’ who now make up your constituency thunderbolt reply), you talk about what you are good at talking about and shut the FUCK up about something you obviously and ridiculously know nothing about – the greatest manifestation of European culture (TO PISS ON).

      Along with the media, the jews ALWAYS first appropriated culture; because they were smart enough to know that culture is the heart beat of any people. Maybe you could learn something from this?

      Amerika sucks? Yes indeed. But, America always SUCKED pal, and you have much in common with what you protest so vehemently against. A dead, sterile, bankrupt wasteland. Bierce. Mecken, Twain. That’s a thriving culture you got there buddy.

    19. abe foxman Says:

      I agree to some degree with Alex. An appreciation of music dictates the level of contribution to a society no more than an appreciation of higher mathematics indicates a peson’s ability to think rationally.
      Music is one of many societal tools. To boorishly elevate it above all serves no benefit.
      That said however Goff raises many valid points, points that in essence I agree with….the main being as modern day Katzenyammer brings out the beast, it shrinks and diminishes the soul.

    20. Dietrich Says:

      “22 Songs for the Revolution.”

      0% opera.

      Coming this year . . . sometime.

      Will post to my blog for download when it’s finished.

    21. AlmostMusicPhD Says:

      “They both suck. Opera is bad music + bad acting + fat people. I have no use for it and absolutely no interest in it, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Western culture, which is White men resisting authority and using their brains.”

      Gott is correct. You ARE a DUMB-ASS piece of shit, to utilize your own debased vocabulary. To equate the most developed, most difficult art form the human voice has ever devised, with the crap redneck bubbas equate as culture, (monster truck rallies, etc.) shows that you have ‘no right to exist’ as a speaker for White Culture, White interests, or White Men such as myself.

      you just lost a reader, BIG time. Go peddle your narrow minded Aryan BS in a prison, where you belong. At least the Jews recognize a superior race’s culture, and strive to be a part of it, even to take it over. You would dismiss it, and end up where? In a pigsty, with a IQ no bigger than your shoe size. God, what a Kulturlos Dorfdepp.

    22. Stronza Says:

      T asked where the great music of our time is. Why would any white composer in the 21st century western world produce great music?

      It has to do, I think, with the quality of the brain. What have we been feeding our brain/bodymind for 80+ years? Bread that rats won’t touch if given a choice; fluoridated water (based on the prozac molecule); gallons of aspartame-laced pop; food analogues that can’t break down even if you soak it in water and put it in the sun; countless vaccines made from diseased monkeys’ kidneys & preserved with mercury stuck into 6-month old arms; fake milk for those same babies; medicines to make you stupidly happy 24/7 because you can’t bear life’s realities; and on & on. That’s just for starters.

      Traditional African music hollered by backwards tribes sounds a thousand times more beautiful than anything our utterly dissolute white people can come up with. Turn on your radio & tee wee and prove me wrong.

    23. zoomcopter Says:

      While I do not agree with Stronza that Africian tribal music is better than anything on the radio dial, I do agree that mind-altering drugs are lowering our resistance to the alien invasion. I wonder how many young white people we have lost to a Prozac induced euphoria? There is a valid reason why some things are depressing, such as an inner city ghetto or barrio. They are dark and dangerous places about as far removed from opera as one can be. Using Prozac, Zoloft, Ritalin or a dozen other similar medications, causes people to experience reality differently. The ghetto is not so dark and forebiding if we are wearing rose tinted glasses. The warning label should read do not drive or operate heavy machinery, nor, lower your guard around known dangerous elements around you.

    24. Ein Says:

      “Along with the media, the jews ALWAYS first appropriated culture; because they were smart enough to know that culture is the heart beat of any people.”

      Loved Gott’s comments!

    25. Zoroastro Says:

      Opera as such is a fine form of art but it should by no means be used as yard-stick of white person’s supposed level of “enculturation”- there’s so much fish in the ocean of our culture, more or less all the fish you can think of, so why argue about it? If you like opera listen to it and excel with it (try to educate those that are interested)- someone else might like Johnny Cash and still be brilliant biologist, engineer, nuclear physicist, or poet, or what not…But generally speaking some of the classical music is absolutely sublime.

    26. tennyson Says:

      I’m 38 and two years into this WN thing. Before I was awakened I thought racism was the realm of ignorant pot-bellied hicks. I have since revised my outlook. Gott you do nothing to promote the cause of higher culture with your ultra-critical screed. I guess you have your reasons. I don’t say that with an air of criticism, I can relate to someone who is really into something i.e an expert being frustrated with less informed people. I have written songs for years(a hobby of course) and I can’t stand power-chord players and cover songs. I just do my thing and kind of musically masturbate with my self. This is a really interesting thread though- so much mental energy expended on opera for god’s(or Gott’s) sake. I like it though.
      You can try to scourge Alex all you want, I have learned alot from him. He elucidates the subject like noone I have heard. We should stick to our respective specialties and not look down on those who are not bona-fide “experts” in our particulal area.
      I think Brahms was the Great Great Grand-pappy of rock and roll.
      Frank Zappa was a great composer in my opinion(don’t puke Gott).

    27. tennyson Says:

      We live in a push button- 7-11 culture and sitting down and learning an instrument(s) is anathema to all that is deemed fun in this shallow world. Karaoke and synthetic music generators are the norm and the path of least resistence. Maybe great music is a thing of the past. I mean the great sweeping creations we call Classical music.

    28. TheWhiteBloodbond Says:

      Jewish “music”:

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=baaPf4SyFm4

      Holocaust Survivor Playing Violin at Yad Vashem