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Hey! Don’t forget Malcolm & Angus. “Simple” music? Yes. But millions of white folks love it and they didn’t come up with anything like Lennon’s “Imagine”.

Don’t forget my mates Barry Robin and Maurice, the Bee Gees.

They did not read music but they did what the earbashers can only talk aobut.

The college-ed musicians all sound the same and bore me shitless.

@Thom. Nope. Malcolm & Angus, not “Agnus”. LOL. You know, the Young boys.

Frank Zappa is right. Those who can’t — teach.

Music originated as folk music on the local level. Blood-based. Turn it up: Acid rock, outlaw country, whatever. I’m not wearing a suit to a music auditorium.

Premier outlaw country singer/songwriter Billy Joe Shaver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpEElGVgv24

The Armadillo World Headquarters. Austin’s answer to Carnegie Hall: Hippies, rednecks, cowboys and businessmen all under the same roof.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/ArmadilloWorldHQv2.jpg

I once followed Zappa’s advice. I “made a jazz noise here.” But that was when I had “the runs” and sat on the toilet for 2 hours. Splaaat! Ha! Ha!

Sorry, I couldn’t resist that one.

I like many of Zappa’s songs, but granted, he was an oddball. A weirdo. But he was sort of right: writing about music is kind of pointless, since it’s an art form and open to many differing opinions.

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fd and cc are the same people — me.

I never said Zappa was a great musician. But his quote above has been proven many times on a variety of subjects.

People identify with music that represents their culture and who they are. I don’t many people who identify with the list of composers above, and I know a lot of people from every grade of society. If the music doesn’t move you, what’s the point?

Classical and instrumental is okay with me.

A great musician can write the music, write the lyrics, play the instrument and sing the song.

@Gleimhart. You are right about the Europeam composers you listed. Some of us love their music, as well as the opposite kind of music, too, such as pop singers and some rock bands. This is not either/or.

One of Bach’s Goldberg variations (the Quodlibet) is based on folk tunes. From wikipedia:

This quodlibet is based on multiple German folk songs, two of which are Ich bin solang nicht bei dir g’west, ruck her, ruck her (“I have so long been away from you, come closer, come closer”) and Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben, hätt mein’ Mutter Fleisch gekocht, wär ich länger blieben (“Cabbage and turnips have driven me away, had my mother cooked meat, I’d have opted to stay”)

For those of you interested, there’s more good reading on this subject at wikipedia about Variation 30.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldberg_Variations#Variatio_30._a_1_Clav._Quodlibet

fd/cc:

I just pointed out how Frank Zappa’s assertion is manifestly incorrect. And those were but a handful of examples, on just one subject. Zappa was a pretentious cuckoo bird, and he lacked the education superior musicians had, and it made him insecure.

As for “how many people…” (blah blah blah), what does THAT have to do with anything? It is by far THE most elevated music ever composed and performed. If people have largely been dumbed down by low-grade pop culture crap, that is a reflection of THEM and nothing else. Your assertion is like saying “if a lot of people don’t understand math, then math is wrong!”

Great music is the defining music of Western Civilization and is unique to the White race. It it therefore a reflection of MY culture and perfectly represents who I am. Moreover, it is the most moving, spirited, spiritual, emotional, humane, and picturesque music there is, and nothing even comes in second place to it.

Stronza, I never ONCE said that this was “either/or.” My comment was very specific.

fd/cc:

I can tell you have a very ignorant grasp of what the greatest music is or is like.

Highly regimented? Not hardly. Rather, the most imaginative array of forms, melodies, harmonies, counterpoint, orchestrations, textures, colors, durations, settings, purposes, and expressions by far. That makes it the “freest” of all music. Compare that to song forms. You mostly have the verse+chorus form, the AABA form, and the AAA form, and harmonically, melodically, texturally, they tend to be quite narrow. So on and so forth.

When one doesn’t know what one is talking about, it is maybe better to be less dogmatic about one’s position. I promise you that no men in black suits will rouse you from you bed in the middle of night and prevent from listening to whatever music you prefer.

Why is it okay for you spout your uneducated, uncultured, tin-eared and tasteless opinion, but when I merely relay my position, I’m suddenly “dictating to society”? I didn’t dictate a single solitary thing. I merely told you the objective facts — which you do not understand because you’re way in over your head on this — and your lame defense is nonsense about “dictating to society,” “marching lockstep,” “vulgar mind,” “self-righteous authoritarian.” You have no support for any of it. Just random of insults that bounce off and blow up in your face.

Yes, there certainly IS such a thing as the greatest music. If you’re too tasteless, tin-eared and soulless to understand that, then you’re missing out, and that’s not my fault.

I have absolute pitch. I have relative pitch. I started pursuing music when I was seven and haven’t stopped since. I have a genuine talent for it. I received part of my music education from one of the top music institutions in the world. The rest I received from various types of experience. I compose it. I arrange it. I orchestrate it. I transcribe it. I have conducted it. I have taught it. I author books for other composers on various elements of composition and ear training. All of these things I do or have done professionally. It is my living. So don’t think that some cuckoo bird who quotes Frank Zappa approvingly is going to tell me what for on the subject.

His “writing about music is like dancing about architecture” is one of the damned dumbest things I have ever heard, and so is his dumb crap about “those who can’t, teach,” which I already demolished.

Just accept that you’re way in over your head here and thoroughly outclassed on the issue. I’m not going to allow you or Frank Cuckoo Bird to demote me to your level, and could not care less whether you like that or not.